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Post #502121  Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2020 6:58 pm 
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In other news, I'm generally feeling a lot better now. My daughter caught the virus after I did and had awful fevers of 40º+ but is now much better. I'm still intermittently coughing - nothing major - but every muscle in my chest still feels bruised after relentless coughing for over two weeks during the time I was unwell.

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Post #502122  Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2020 8:03 pm 
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Darren wrote:
In other news, I'm generally feeling a lot better now. My daughter caught the virus after I did and had awful fevers of 40º+ but is now much better. I'm still intermittently coughing - nothing major - but every muscle in my chest still feels bruised after relentless coughing for over two weeks during the time I was unwell.


Really good to hear Darren. REALLY good. Thanks for the update.


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Post #502123  Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2020 8:07 pm 
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Darren wrote:
In other news, I'm generally feeling a lot better now. My daughter caught the virus after I did and had awful fevers of 40º+ but is now much better. I'm still intermittently coughing - nothing major - but every muscle in my chest still feels bruised after relentless coughing for over two weeks during the time I was unwell.

Good to hear your better Darren, my cousin had the virus and despite being a young fit man he described 24 hours of hell struggling to breathe and after feeling like somebody had broken every one of his ribs.


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In other news, I'm generally feeling a lot better now. My daughter caught the virus after I did and had awful fevers of 40º+ but is now much better. I'm still intermittently coughing - nothing major - but every muscle in my chest still feels bruised after relentless coughing for over two weeks during the time I was unwell.

Glad to hear you’re feeling much better.


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In other news, I'm generally feeling a lot better now. My daughter caught the virus after I did and had awful fevers of 40º+ but is now much better. I'm still intermittently coughing - nothing major - but every muscle in my chest still feels bruised after relentless coughing for over two weeks during the time I was unwell.


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In other news, I'm generally feeling a lot better now. My daughter caught the virus after I did and had awful fevers of 40º+ but is now much better. I'm still intermittently coughing - nothing major - but every muscle in my chest still feels bruised after relentless coughing for over two weeks during the time I was unwell.

Echo everyone else’s thoughts Darren. Great news.


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In other news, I'm generally feeling a lot better now. My daughter caught the virus after I did and had awful fevers of 40º+ but is now much better. I'm still intermittently coughing - nothing major - but every muscle in my chest still feels bruised after relentless coughing for over two weeks during the time I was unwell.


Great news mate. Sounds like you and your daughter had much more than the mild symptom version.

Any idea where you might have caught it?. I reckon its been out there circulating far longer than they would have us believe.


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Hi OMG,

Amongst the selfless heroes and true diamonds we have seen during this crisis there have been many selfish wankers (not just footballers) who have shown their true colours, including the likes of Branson.

Are you telling me that Arsenal players could not take a 12.5% pay-cut when most of the rest of the country are actually worried about having a job to go back to. I didn't even think they would need asking given what it would actually mean to them in terms of lifestyle (nothing). Maybe they wouldn't be able to afford all the optional extras on the Ferrari they buy this month.

The reaction of PL footballers and clubs is probably the final straw for me. I knew football was in danger of eating itself but I think it is close to happening now.
Hi Soc - I understand where you are coming from, and yes it is hard not to feel a certain contempt for the current football scene, which seems as far removed from the people than it ever has been. However, it is worth considering who actually benefits if the Arsenal players take a pay cut? Certainly not the government who would lose tax revenue; nor the taxpayer because the club is privately owned, and as far as we know not in receipt of any public funds. So no additional money to be diverted to the virus crisis or the NHS. Arsenal is a private enterprise, and one assumes the owner bears the risk. And the last time we looked he wasn't short of a few bob.


Hi OMOH,

You make a good point and I must admit I hadn't looked at it in quite that way.

It just feels morally wrong for non-playing staff to suffer wage cuts or lose their jobs when the playing staff, who are earning salaries beyond the wildest dreams of the common man, are not willing to accept a cut. That said, you are spot-on........if a club is owned by a billionairre who is not prepared to put his hand in his pocket himself in these difficult times then that in itself speaks volumes.

Football is filled with unscrupulous individuals.......players, owners, agents. Everybody has got their head in the trough.

Let's face it, I don't suppose too many billionaires acquired their wealth by giving away money along the way.


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In other news, I'm generally feeling a lot better now. My daughter caught the virus after I did and had awful fevers of 40º+ but is now much better. I'm still intermittently coughing - nothing major - but every muscle in my chest still feels bruised after relentless coughing for over two weeks during the time I was unwell.
Best wishes to you and your family in these testing times.

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Darren wrote:
In other news, I'm generally feeling a lot better now. My daughter caught the virus after I did and had awful fevers of 40º+ but is now much better. I'm still intermittently coughing - nothing major - but every muscle in my chest still feels bruised after relentless coughing for over two weeks during the time I was unwell.

Good both you and your daughter are doing much better Darren.

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There is an outfit in south Philadelphia, whose last names end in vowels, play bocce ball and have loads of experience in contract negotiation who the clubs can bring in to deal with Sky.

The Bruno-Scarfo crime family and Joey Merlino.

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Darren wrote:
In other news, I'm generally feeling a lot better now. My daughter caught the virus after I did and had awful fevers of 40º+ but is now much better. I'm still intermittently coughing - nothing major - but every muscle in my chest still feels bruised after relentless coughing for over two weeks during the time I was unwell.


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Darren wrote:
In other news, I'm generally feeling a lot better now. My daughter caught the virus after I did and had awful fevers of 40º+ but is now much better. I'm still intermittently coughing - nothing major - but every muscle in my chest still feels bruised after relentless coughing for over two weeks during the time I was unwell.

Great news. All the best to you and yours.

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Darren wrote:
In other news, I'm generally feeling a lot better now. My daughter caught the virus after I did and had awful fevers of 40º+ but is now much better. I'm still intermittently coughing - nothing major - but every muscle in my chest still feels bruised after relentless coughing for over two weeks during the time I was unwell.


I can't imagine not only what you had to go through but to experience your daughter with it as well. Happy to hear you are both recovering.

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There is an outfit in south Philadelphia, whose last names end in vowels, play bocce ball and have loads of experience in contract negotiation who the clubs can bring in to deal with Sky.

The Bruno-Scarfo crime family and Joey Merlino.

You got it Zed.
Sal Bruno was one of the most respected mafia bosses in the country and was even invited to the NY commission meetings, as he was very close with the Gambinos and Genovese bosses. In Philly, crazy as this sounds, he was beloved. He was called 'The Gentle Don' because he would rather have a sit down and work things out and killing was a last resort. He was also opposed to drugs within his family.
"Little" Nicky Scarfo who took over after him was a certified psychopath. Complete opposite, killing was his first option.
"Skinny" Joey Merlino came later but by that time the Philly mob was in disarray.

Car bombings was a popular way they did a lot of infighting. The Philly mob had a fair number of Sicilians, whose main forte` was that particular way of dealing with people.

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Darren wrote:
In other news, I'm generally feeling a lot better now. My daughter caught the virus after I did and had awful fevers of 40º+ but is now much better. I'm still intermittently coughing - nothing major - but every muscle in my chest still feels bruised after relentless coughing for over two weeks during the time I was unwell.


You're one of the good people* mate so that's wonderful to hear.






*For those forumites who have never had the good fortune to meet Darren I must say he's really a lot nicer that the drunken boorish oaf he portrays on here.


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Darren wrote:
In other news, I'm generally feeling a lot better now. My daughter caught the virus after I did and had awful fevers of 40º+ but is now much better. I'm still intermittently coughing - nothing major - but every muscle in my chest still feels bruised after relentless coughing for over two weeks during the time I was unwell.


:58big-emoticons:

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Darren wrote:
In other news, I'm generally feeling a lot better now. My daughter caught the virus after I did and had awful fevers of 40º+ but is now much better. I'm still intermittently coughing - nothing major - but every muscle in my chest still feels bruised after relentless coughing for over two weeks during the time I was unwell.

Glad to hear you and your daughter are feeling better Darren

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Darren wrote:
In other news, I'm generally feeling a lot better now. My daughter caught the virus after I did and had awful fevers of 40º+ but is now much better. I'm still intermittently coughing - nothing major - but every muscle in my chest still feels bruised after relentless coughing for over two weeks during the time I was unwell.

Sounds truly grim Darren, and frightening.

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In other news, I'm generally feeling a lot better now. My daughter caught the virus after I did and had awful fevers of 40º+ but is now much better. I'm still intermittently coughing - nothing major - but every muscle in my chest still feels bruised after relentless coughing for over two weeks during the time I was unwell.


You're one of the good people* mate so that's wonderful to hear.






*For those forumites who have never had the good fortune to meet Darren I must say he's really a lot nicer that the drunken boorish oaf he portrays on here.

I have had the good fortune to meet Darren several times at the Emirates. Lovely chap. One of the best.

(Actually you’re not so bad yourself Ex :laughing7: )

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I see that the press are now reporting that it could well be 12 to 18 months before there is a return to packed stadiums. That sounds realistic in a sensible world. It’s hard to imagine just what the professional game might look like after such a period.

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Very happy to hear you and your family is doing better Darren.

Also happy to hear Darren isn't as brusque and churlish in real life as he's always come across on the forum.


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Glad to hear Darren and his daughter are feeling better. My uncle, aunt and cousin seemed to have caught it to varying degrees but thankfully have recovered after 2 weeks. Oddly, my cousin who is in her 50's but a force of nature had way worse symptoms than her 80 year old parents. Unfortunately, due to the lack of testing it seems as if one of my best mate's mum died recently from it.

I agree it was a really cheap shot that Matt Hancock called out footballers. If he wanted to shame people into helping the wider economy, then perhaps putting pressure on multi-billion ££ tax dodging companies like Amazon would have been a more deserving target. I'm not adverse to Arsenal players taking a wage cut especially if the savings were guaranteed to help the non-playing staff on low wages. However, I would expect a similar gesture from the multi-multi billionaire owner first.


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Also happy to hear Darren isn't as brusque and churlish in real life as he's always come across on the forum.


He may not be churlish Haz but he's an ugly *%^@**.


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I'm not adverse to Arsenal players taking a wage cut especially if the savings were guaranteed to help the non-playing staff on low wages. However, I would expect a similar gesture from the multi-multi billionaire owner first.

When Stan’s the owner, let’s be realistic. There’s more chance of Harrods selling their food at a lower price than Aldi.


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I see that the press are now reporting that it could well be 12 to 18 months before there is a return to packed stadiums. That sounds realistic in a sensible world. It’s hard to imagine just what the professional game might look like after such a period.


Hi ltg,

That's interesting. Presumably the same timescale as a potential vaccine then.

I thought I read somewhere that Bundesliga sides are back in training with a view to re-starting the season in a few weeks time, which seems odd to me.

Talk of games being played behind closed doors to fulfil tv commitments but that still leaves a huge amount lost in gate receipts, especially for lower league sides. How can they possibly survive for that long without gate revenues.

Even if stadiums were open again, how many would take the risk of attending without there being a vaccine or effective treatment, especially those older fans or those with underlying health issues. I don't know what the average age of fans at the Emirates is, given the ticket prices I am assuming maybe 40s or so and many of those will inevitably have some health issues.


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Delighted to hear the news regarding you and your daughter, Darren.

Keep well everybody.

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Glad to hear Darren and his daughter are feeling better. My uncle, aunt and cousin seemed to have caught it to varying degrees but thankfully have recovered after 2 weeks.

Great to hear, Bored, keep well.

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I see that the press are now reporting that it could well be 12 to 18 months before there is a return to packed stadiums. That sounds realistic in a sensible world. It’s hard to imagine just what the professional game might look like after such a period.

Heard this will apply to gigs as well, I suppose all large gatherings.

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Quarantine? plenty of airport hotels to hold them I would have thought.
A couple of weeks ago Raab advised there were somewhere between 400k-1 million Brits abroad. Not all of them will want to return but I wonder at what number it would become an impossible logistical challenge to enforce quarantine? Another tough decision for a government to make.

If not quarantine, at least screen and follow up. I got back to SA from Ireland via Qatar on 6 Feb. Before we got off the plane we had temperatures taken by members of the South African army. It was alarming but at same time reassuring. If a country like South Africa could screen travellers at so early a date, why not the UK and USA?

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I don't know what the average age of fans at the Emirates is, given the ticket prices I am assuming maybe 40s or so and many of those will inevitably have some health issues.


I'd say the average age was comfortably into the 50s, Soc. Bear in mind that since the massive hike in ticket prices about 15 years ago, there have been very few young people taking up season tickets; they just can't afford them. My guess is that the average age of our support goes up almost a full year every year.

Having said that, it could all change next season, for the reasons you give. Currently, I'd be in no rush to sit amongst a crowd of 60,000.


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Also there’s the business problem for example

The club need to sit down with Aubameyang this summer. His people will push the club to raise his salary to 250k a week from 170 for a new contract.

How can the club contemplate that whilst their ability to deliver a business is shrouded in such uncertainty ?

How could a prospective buyer pay a 50m fee then the 250k wages when they have the same problem?


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I'm not adverse to Arsenal players taking a wage cut especially if the savings were guaranteed to help the non-playing staff on low wages. However, I would expect a similar gesture from the multi-multi billionaire owner first.

When Stan’s the owner, let’s be realistic. There’s more chance of Harrods selling their food at a lower price than Aldi.

Can't say I don't blame some players, (Bellarin, PFA rep), questioning why Stan, whose worth is around $10B, seems unable or unwilling to step in with some of his own money to offset financial costs. Possibly as he's pumping most revenue into completion of his SoFi Rams stadium in LA. Then there's the FFP rules Josh falls back on.

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I see that the press are now reporting that it could well be 12 to 18 months before there is a return to packed stadiums. That sounds realistic in a sensible world. It’s hard to imagine just what the professional game might look like after such a period.

Heard this will apply to gigs as well, I suppose all large gatherings.

I play in a band and we had 31 gigs booked well into 2021. Most if not all cancelled now.
We had charity gigs for the bush fires also that were already postponed and the new dates for those 2 are cancelled also. ;-(


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In other news, I'm generally feeling a lot better now. My daughter caught the virus after I did and had awful fevers of 40º+ but is now much better. I'm still intermittently coughing - nothing major - but every muscle in my chest still feels bruised after relentless coughing for over two weeks during the time I was unwell.

Great news Darren.
Good to hear you and your Daughter are on the road to full recovery.
Stay safe and the same to everyone on here and your families.


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Heard this will apply to gigs as well, I suppose all large gatherings.

I play in a band and we had 31 gigs booked well into 2021. Most if not all cancelled now.
We had charity gigs for the bush fires also that were already postponed and the new dates for those 2 are cancelled also. ;-(


Wow! Really?! What intstrument? What type of music? That's cool.
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*For those forumites who have never had the good fortune to meet Darren I must say he's really a lot nicer that the drunken boorish oaf he portrays on here.
Oaf - a really good word. We don't read it much on here since the disappearance of Cannon Balls.

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[... I don't know what the average age of fans at the Emirates is, given the ticket prices I am assuming maybe 40s or so and many of those will inevitably have some health issues.
When I used to go to The Emirates I aged rapidly over a couple of hours watching our defence. Scientists call it the Fabianski effect.

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Also there’s the business problem for example

The club need to sit down with Aubameyang this summer. His people will push the club to raise his salary to 250k a week from 170 for a new contract.

How can the club contemplate that whilst their ability to deliver a business is shrouded in such uncertainty ?

How could a prospective buyer pay a 50m fee then the 250k wages when they have the same problem?
If he wants too much, let him go. He is good, but not irreplaceable.

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