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Post #481001  Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2021 3:53 pm 
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Ramsdale, tomiyasu , Gabriel and Ødegaard have been fantastic. White, Saka Aubameyang and Pépé have been poor.

There's the making of a good team in there. They've toughed it out today, in any of the last 4 years Arsenal would have lost today.

A new striker would be my choice for one big signing in the summer. Aubameyang looks like he doesn't have much left in the tank.


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Post #481002  Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2021 3:54 pm 
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Sounds like Ramsdale has been absolutely superb today

He's been excellent and deserves to keep his place.


Agree.

Don’t change a winning team.

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1-0 to the Arsenal!

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Post #481004  Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2021 3:55 pm 
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White won 4 out of 5 aerial duels. Tomiyasu won 4 out of 4.

Got to credit any clean sheet away from home. Pundits would have been rubbing their hands at the prospect of Barnes and Wood battering Ben White and even if it was uncomfortable for him at times he's the one that comes away with a clean sheet and 3 points.


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Post #481005  Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2021 3:56 pm 
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An excellent 3 points. Allowed ourselves to get pushed back too much in the second half, but showed good resilience. A lot of credit to the team today.


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Post #481006  Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2021 3:58 pm 
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People moaning on here about Ramsdale might end up with egg on their faces

Early days but looks a snip at 24


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An excellent 3 points. Allowed ourselves to get pushed back too much in the second half, but showed good resilience. A lot of credit to the team today.


I Agree. Surprisingly resilient which is not something you associate with modern day Arsenal. I thought it was noticeable how much better we were playing out from the back. Overall the defence can be proud of their work today, the attack was a bit meh. Still, how nice to win a battling game of football.


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Post #481008  Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2021 4:10 pm 
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A few things

I thought Gabriel was superb,

White did very well and the stats show likewise. Don’t continue a pre determined narrative

Ramsdale looks a very good prospect

Pépé and Aubameyang didn’t really click today

Spurs next week, we win that and the momentum behind the project will explode


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Despite our worst start to a season in two thousand years, somehow we're only four points behind title favourites Manchester City after five games. Funny old world.

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Post #481010  Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2021 4:14 pm 
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I cannot wait for Sean Dyche’s post match interview - just plug that stuff straight in to my veins!


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I cannot wait for Sean Dyche’s post match interview - just plug that stuff straight in to my veins!

:laughing7:

The whole thing will be some massive conspiracy that they will indulge on match of the day


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People moaning on here about Ramsdale might end up with egg on their faces

Early days but looks a snip at 24

3 clean sheets so far. I must admit the signing seemed strange to me, I hadn’t seen much at Bournemouth or Sheff Utd to convince me he could be our long term GK. seems to have had an instant connection with the Arsenal matchday fans


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TOP GUN wrote:
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I cannot wait for Sean Dyche’s post match interview - just plug that stuff straight in to my veins!

:laughing7:

The whole thing will be some massive conspiracy that they will indulge on match of the day

Gary Lineker already tweeted at the time that even though he won the ball he ‘followed through’ and so there was a debate whether this was a clear and obvious error.
People quite rightly pointing out to him that following through only becomes an issue if the tackle is dangerous ie you can’t two foot someone and use the excuse that you got the ball before the man.

There are plenty of tackles where the ball is won and there is contact between the players that leaves the attacker with on a heap on the floor. It is clearly not a foul.

Of course it will get painted as a big team getting a decision when in reality it was Arsenal being shafted by an awful decision that was thankfully just put correct so the situation became neutral again.


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Post #481014  Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2021 4:42 pm 
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If Spurs lose v Chelsea tomorrow and we beat them next weekend we’ll be level on points with them.


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Read a fair bit that it was Arteta who really pushed for both Ramsdale and Tomiyasu ahead of other potential players in those positions. Looking good so far.

Will be nice to see a bit of rotation for the midweek cup game.


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Read a fair bit that it was Arteta who really pushed for both Ramsdale and Tomiyasu ahead of other potential players in those positions. Looking good so far.

Will be nice to see a bit of rotation for the midweek cup game.


If Leno starts midweek game, it would be a huge psychological blow to him.

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An inconsequential thing that has always annoyed me in football is the ‘stealing’ territory at throw ins. They throw starts 3 metres ahead of where it went out. Then the player stop starts and takes 2, 3, 4,5,6, 7, 8 steps and hey presto you’ve gained 10-15 metres. This isn’t really a massive issue but it never fails to wind me up. Where it clearly does matter if is someone is going to launch a throw into the box like a corner. Exactly what happened today. Ball goes out 5-10 metres from the half way line, then suddenly dipshit McClogger is chucking it into the box nearly level with the 18yard line. I was fairly screaming at my screen. Raging. :8angers:


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gooner7 wrote:
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Read a fair bit that it was Arteta who really pushed for both Ramsdale and Tomiyasu ahead of other potential players in those positions. Looking good so far.

Will be nice to see a bit of rotation for the midweek cup game.


If Leno starts midweek game, it would be a huge psychological blow to him.

No way would Ramsdale have let in the 2nd at Brentford


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Great result. A win at Turf Moor is always a cause for celebration.

Some top performances today. Ramsdale obviously, Gabriel, Partey, Ødegaard, Tomiyasu to name but a few.

Would like to have seen White on the ball more and playing out expansively because thats really what he is in the team for.

Our front three just does not seem to gel in any meaningful way.

Pépé's decision-making and execution of those decisions continues to frustrate, he is capable of such brilliance and yet such shiteness, often in the same passage of play.

Aubameyang offers nothing bar the threat of a goal if he gets the right kind of chances, which he rarely does. Our main weapon of the swinging cross into the box from Tierney is no use to him it seems.

Saka was out of sorts and needs a rest.


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So everton miss their two main strikers and best players, their established international gk and their captain and right back. Villa smashing them. Important players missing really does mean something for teams without huge depth


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Dyche “I have to say the gk does get a touch so in theory that doesn’t get given….though you might question if that was a clear and obvious error”

The guy moans like a drain. You’d only question that it wasn’t a clear and obvious error to award the penalty if you were a complete idiot with no comprehension of the rules of football


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Winning games buys time, we’re not fluent yet but so much of this team feels new and they still need to gel.
We finished the game today with all 6 new signings on the pitch and 4 of the back 5 as new players. I can’t think of any big team recently who have done that.

So much to like from two new signings in particular as well.

Ramsdale. Seems very vocal and the thing I love so much in a gk coming and claiming crosses confidently

Tomiyasu. Has only lost 1 duel he’s contested so far. So strong in the air, quick and combative and good with both feet. Already looks a good price at £17m. Only 22, looks older


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These sorts of battling wins where the team has to really dig in can hugely help the togetherness of a new set of players.
We need to forge that team spirit and develop those leaders within the squad who take command and set standards in adversity


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So everton miss their two main strikers and best players, their established international gk and their captain and right back. Villa smashing them. Important players missing really does mean something for teams without huge depth

100 % this

If Partey gets injured your 50 million pound midfield player gets replaced by a 10 million pound Egyptian midfielder and a 12 million pound Switzerland clogger and the fans start moaning that the manager isn’t getting the best out of the players.

The actual truth is we usually look ok when we can pick our best 11


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Our front three just does not seem to gel in any meaningful way.

Pépé's decision-making and execution of those decisions continues to frustrate, he is capable of such brilliance and yet such shiteness, often in the same passage of play.

Aubameyang offers nothing bar the threat of a goal if he gets the right kind of chances, which he rarely does. Our main weapon of the swinging cross into the box from Tierney is no use to him it seems.

Saka was out of sorts and needs a rest.

Give it a couple of games.

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Rich wrote:
Winning games buys time, we’re not fluent yet but so much of this team feels new and they still need to gel.
We finished the game today with all 6 new signings on the pitch and 4 of the back 5 as new players. I can’t think of any big team recently who have done that.

So much to like from two new signings in particular as well.

Ramsdale. Seems very vocal and the thing I love so much in a gk coming and claiming crosses confidently

Tomiyasu. Has only lost 1 duel he’s contested so far. So strong in the air, quick and combative and good with both feet. Already looks a good price at £17m. Only 22, looks older


I am glad we have a GK who comes out to claim the crosses. Puts less demands and pressure on the defenders.

Watched Tomiyasu during Japan's Olympics campaign and was very impressed with him. Was ecstatic when he was signed.

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socrates wrote:
Great result. A win at Turf Moor is always a cause for celebration.

Some top performances today. Ramsdale obviously, Gabriel, Partey, Ødegaard, Tomiyasu to name but a few.

Would like to have seen White on the ball more and playing out expansively because thats really what he is in the team for.

Our front three just does not seem to gel in any meaningful way.

Pépé's decision-making and execution of those decisions continues to frustrate, he is capable of such brilliance and yet such shiteness, often in the same passage of play.

Aubameyang offers nothing bar the threat of a goal if he gets the right kind of chances, which he rarely does. Our main weapon of the swinging cross into the box from Tierney is no use to him it seems.

Saka was out of sorts and needs a rest.


Pépé was very disappointing with his decision making. He seems to be playing for himself, often trying to dribble his way to glory.

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Rich wrote:
Winning games buys time, we’re not fluent yet but so much of this team feels new and they still need to gel.
We finished the game today with all 6 new signings on the pitch and 4 of the back 5 as new players. I can’t think of any big team recently who have done that.

So much to like from two new signings in particular as well.

Ramsdale. Seems very vocal and the thing I love so much in a gk coming and claiming crosses confidently

Tomiyasu. Has only lost 1 duel he’s contested so far. So strong in the air, quick and combative and good with both feet. Already looks a good price at £17m. Only 22, looks older


Some good performances in there and with a few less understrength passes and a few more played in front of the man instead of behind and there were more goals there. I would like to see a few more first time shots too. A few times there was that little first touch when it was a great time to just try to sweep it home. Especially on the counter.


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gooner7 wrote:
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Great result. A win at Turf Moor is always a cause for celebration.

Some top performances today. Ramsdale obviously, Gabriel, Partey, Ødegaard, Tomiyasu to name but a few.

Would like to have seen White on the ball more and playing out expansively because thats really what he is in the team for.

Our front three just does not seem to gel in any meaningful way.

Pépé's decision-making and execution of those decisions continues to frustrate, he is capable of such brilliance and yet such shiteness, often in the same passage of play.

Aubameyang offers nothing bar the threat of a goal if he gets the right kind of chances, which he rarely does. Our main weapon of the swinging cross into the box from Tierney is no use to him it seems.

Saka was out of sorts and needs a rest.


Pépé was very disappointing with his decision making. He seems to be playing for himself, often trying to dribble his way to glory.


Not helped by the amount of passes behind him so that he had to check his run. But agreed he lost it a lot today.


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Like this photo. Burnley player trying to rush Tierney up, or remonstrate with him from going down with cramp, assuming he was just time wasting and Ramsdale straight in there to stop him and Gabriel looking ready for a fight as well.

Little things but this is the attitude we need.


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Palace denied a 100% penalty claim and MOD don't even mention it.

Another VAR fail down to incompetent refs.


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Liverpool played without Alexander-Arnold AND Robertson in a Prem game for the first time since December 2018.


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Jimmy Greaves has died.


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Jimmy Greaves has died.

Poignant that today is Spurs v Chelsea


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Just seen the Walker penalty and red card that was over turned v Southampton. Does anyone actually think an Arsenal defender would have got that over turned? No chance Luiz from last season gets that over turned


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The team that finished the game yesterday had an average age just over 23.
AMN was the 3rd oldest player at 24


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Jimmy Greaves has died.
Some light has most definitely gone from the football world. Loved him as a player and as a commentator. You can safely use the word great about him.

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Jimmy Greaves has died.
Some light has most definitely gone from the football world. Loved him as a player and as a commentator. You can safely use the word great about him.


Indeed, quite some player and post-retirement he and the Saint were a fantastic combo.

Sad that he didn't get to play in the World Cup Final.

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Very encouraged by our solid defensive display yesterday against a very physical Burnley side.


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Jimmy Greaves has died.

Very sad. I saw him play a few times, and score at least one goal against Arsenal. But in his television work he always came across very well. I still remember the 1987 Coventry vs Tottenham final, still my favourite FA Cup final that Arsenal didn’t win, when he announced that he wanted Coventry to win, even though he expected Tottenham to win A presenter found that astonishing and asked him why? Greaves said it was because he now lived in the midlands.

At the time I had a Tottenham supporting girlfriend. I often went to games at White Hart Lane with her when they weren’t playing us and I wasn’t going to our away game. Likewise she often came with me to Highbury when we weren’t playing Tottenham. As a result, in addition to the about 120+ North London derbies I’ve attended, my guess is I must have been to hundreds (200+) Tottenham games. As a result, I must admit I’ve never really had the same pathological hatred of Tottenham that many Arsenal fans seem to have, even though I’ve wanted them to lose the huge majority of even the non-North London derby matches I went to with her (there were a small number of exceptions).

But anyway, she had Tottenham supporting friends who now in the age of social media would be called ‘in the know’. The strong suspicion amongst her ITK contacts was that Greaves was desperately unhappy with the club over what he perceived as their lack of support for him over his alcoholism. Indeed, following his retirement (must have been quite a number of years) he gave an interview when he was asked what the biggest regrets he had over his career. It wasn’t his biggest regret, but one I do recall him giving was never having played for Arsenal.

He obviously played for Chelsea, Tottenham and West Ham so most put it down to us being the only one of the top four London clubs he never played for. But my former girlfriend’s ITK contacts always thought it was all to do with him still having the hump with Tottenham over what he perceived as their lack of support for him over his alcoholism.


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