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Gaz implied something earlier with serial killers. It’s a minority of cases, but it does happen, that some of Britain’s serial killers enjoyed killing animals as children. There was one, can’t recall who but it was but a famous one, pulled the wings off butterflies and the legs off other insects in his or her youth.

Many infamous serial killers harmed animals when they were children, including Jeffrey Dahmer, Ted Bundy, Gary Ridgeway, John Wayne Gacy, and the Boston Strangler.


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Gaz implied something earlier with serial killers. It’s a minority of cases, but it does happen, that some of Britain’s serial killers enjoyed killing animals as children. There was one, can’t recall who but it was but a famous one, pulled the wings off butterflies and the legs off other insects in his or her youth.

Many infamous serial killers harmed animals when they were children, including Jeffrey Dahmer, Ted Bundy, Gary Ridgeway, John Wayne Gacy, and the Boston Strangler.

Yeah they were American ones. My interest is more in British serial killers, especially female ones.


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West Ham fines defender Kurt Zouma 'maximum amount' for slapping and kicking cat in video

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"Ian Brady, the Moors murderer who tortured and killed five children in the 1960s, boasted of killing his first cat when he was just 10, and went on to burn another cat alive, stone dogs and cut off rabbits’ heads before going on to target people. Robert Thompson and Jon Venables would shoot pigeons with air rifles and tie rabbits to railway lines to watch them be run over – until in 1993 they killed toddler James Bulger."

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Priti Patel?
I find her strangely attractive. I know, I know...


Yes she has that head mistress like "you've broken the rules and must be punished" look.

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Southampton battering Spurs this half but it’s 1-1. Southampton missing so many great chances. You just know they are going to regret them all and Spurs will get a rocket from Conte and find a way to sneak a game they should be 3 down in already


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Now spurs lead 2-1. They’ve only had 6 shots compared to Southampton’s 19! They should be out of sight. Spurs do feel like they’re massively riding their luck right now


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Now spurs lead 2-1. They’ve only had 6 shots compared to Southampton’s 19! They should be out of sight. Spurs do feel like they’re massively riding their luck right now

Not any more :26encouragement: :26encouragement:


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Now spurs are behind 3-2. Saints deserve it. Big result if they can hold on


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Southampton battering Spurs this half but it’s 1-1. Southampton missing so many great chances. You just know they are going to regret them all and Spurs will get a rocket from Conte and find a way to sneak a game they should be 3 down in already

Was thinking the exact same thing watching Southapmton squander those chances in the first half - they're going to regret it. Then Son scored and you expect Tottenham to close up shop. But fair pay to Southampton, easy to feel dejected after letting that second goal in, but instead they upped their game and really came at Tottenham. They've been the better side over 90 minutes.


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3-3 now - still a good result for us. Come on Southampton...

Edit: Spoke too soon, I think that's offside.


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I find her strangely attractive. I know, I know...


Yes she has that head mistress like "you've broken the rules and must be punished" look.
She seems like a tough cookie compared to the rest of the non-entities on the Tory front bench. She'd never get my vote, but I bet she scares the life out of those Eton boys and the public school civil servants. A little dynamo.

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3-3 now - still a good result for us. Come on Southampton...

Edit: Spoke too soon, I think that's offside.

Spurs goal was struck off by VAR.

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Yay! Spurs lost! :53big-emoticons:

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As for the cat issue, I never condone cruelty to animals, however if that f... cat next door takes another dove (2 in the last 2 days) and I catch it I give you no guarantees. They should not be allowed to roam at all. They continually try and take wildlife and particularly when new plovers and curlews have hatched. Just pests and irresponsible owners get up my nose.

I’m actually with you on this.

There was a case recently where I live where a cat got into someone else’s garden roaming and was killed by a Greyhound (probably but not definitely). A major row occurred with the cat owner reporting the dog owner to rspca, police and all sorts and not to mention plastering it all over local Facebook groups vilifying the dog owner.

Where do you stand on that one ? I’m not a pet owner so I wouldn’t even know where to start with that. I suppose greyhounds are used to chasing and running but can you vilify a dog for doing what comes naturally to it in its own garden and it’s owners for not being able to control that.

Like I said I’m not a pet owner and I find 90% of cat owners are weirdos anyway, dog owners similar but a slightly lower percentage maybe 40-50% are weirdos.

Dog owner and I make sure the dog is always under my control when out. Inside my yard the cat is open season. I have trained my dog not to chase birds or small animals but he has instinct to put cats over the fence. I am lucky he is part border collie so easy to train on some issues.

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Many infamous serial killers harmed animals when they were children, including Jeffrey Dahmer, Ted Bundy, Gary Ridgeway, John Wayne Gacy, and the Boston Strangler.


Harming animals is a fairly common act, unfortuately, for serial killers in the states. But also for future criminals in general. I knew one family of boys fron my school, they would do some very bad things to stray cats, etc. Coincidentally, they had all manner of pets, dog, cat, boa constrictors, etc.

About 3 boys in all, all of them ended up criminals. All of them ended up arrested at some point. This is more the norm than the anomaly.

If teachers see or hear of it, counseling is introduced pretty much as a standard. How the parents react is another issue as well.

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I guess I wasn't asking too much of the football gods. Good one Soton.

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I am lucky he is part border collie so easy to train on some issues.

Border Collies are freakeshly smart. My cousins had one - I bet I coulda got it to do my taxes.


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Some of these footballers seem pretty entitled.

Now Kurt Zouma has demanded West Ham get him a larger dressing room citing the current one as having barely enough room to swing a cat.


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I am lucky he is part border collie so easy to train on some issues.

Border Collies are freakeshly smart. My cousins had one - I bet I coulda got it to do my taxes.

Is this your defence if you face an audit: about as plausible as Harry Redknapp

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Some of these footballers seem pretty entitled.

Now Kurt Zouma has demanded West Ham get him a larger dressing room citing the current one as having barely enough room to swing a cat.

:1laughter:
Do you think this Australian style humour will be appreciated in the old country.

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Gaz from Oz wrote:
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Do you think this Australian style humour will be appreciated in the old country.


What - Too soon ?


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Do you think this Australian style humour will be appreciated in the old country.


What - Too soon ?

Not for Australia but we are 10 hours ahead of the others.

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Gaz from Oz wrote:
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Some of these footballers seem pretty entitled.

Now Kurt Zouma has demanded West Ham get him a larger dressing room citing the current one as having barely enough room to swing a cat.

:1laughter:
Do you think this Australian style humour will be appreciated in the old country.

I must admit it made me laugh.


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Worth remembering if you are saying Zouma should be banned your likely saying the same for Tavares also.

Arteta sent out the wrong message playing him

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Gerrard doing a quietly impressive job I feel at villa despite that result last night.

He’s made some shrewd signings and those saying we shouldn’t touch coutinho with a bargepole will have changed their opinion. Tell me now he wouldn’t have given us something till may. Class player


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The Saka open to leaving stories clearly aren’t going to go away until he signs a new contract. If he does.

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Gerrard doing a quietly impressive job I feel at villa despite that result last night.

He’s made some shrewd signings and those saying we shouldn’t touch coutinho with a bargepole will have changed their opinion. Tell me now he wouldn’t have given us something till may. Class player

I didn’t think you were that enthusiastic about us getting Gerrard?

On Countinho he’s only played three games. He’s certainly talented but it’s a little early to declare him a success at Villa.


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The Saka open to leaving stories clearly aren’t going to go away until he signs a new contract. If he does.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football ... dium=email

I think it’s at the stage where we might have to do what gaz says and include a release clause that after 2 seasons if we are still not in Europe we will let him go to a club that is for 100 million or something.


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Bernard wrote:
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Gerrard doing a quietly impressive job I feel at villa despite that result last night.

He’s made some shrewd signings and those saying we shouldn’t touch coutinho with a bargepole will have changed their opinion. Tell me now he wouldn’t have given us something till may. Class player

I didn’t think you were that enthusiastic about us getting Gerrard?

On Countinho he’s only played three games. He’s certainly talented but it’s a little early to declare him a success at Villa.

I never liked the idea of us going for gerrard no. It would only be a stepping stone for him to end up in Liverpool and we are bigger than that.

Coutinho will do well for them. Too good a player


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The Saka open to leaving stories clearly aren’t going to go away until he signs a new contract. If he does.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football ... dium=email

I think it’s at the stage where we might have to do what gaz says and include a release clause that after 2 seasons if we are still not in Europe we will let him go to a club that is for 100 million or something.

Saka’s current deal expires in 2024. Why would he even consider signing a deal tying himself to Arsenal for longer even if it says if we don’t get into the Champions League in the next two years we’ll sell him for £100m. In two years time (which I’m taking 2024 to be), can’t he leave the club on a free transfer?


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I think it’s at the stage where we might have to do what gaz says and include a release clause that after 2 seasons if we are still not in Europe we will let him go to a club that is for 100 million or something.

Saka’s current deal expires in 2024. Why would he even consider signing a deal tying himself to Arsenal for longer even if it says if we don’t get into the Champions League in the next two years we’ll sell him for £100m. In two years time (which I’m taking 2024 to be), can’t he leave the club on a free transfer?

Win win for both parties. He gets vastly more wages and Arsenal ensure they get a fee if he’s sold for some time


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Saka’s current deal expires in 2024. Why would he even consider signing a deal tying himself to Arsenal for longer even if it says if we don’t get into the Champions League in the next two years we’ll sell him for £100m. In two years time (which I’m taking 2024 to be), can’t he leave the club on a free transfer?

Win win for both parties. He gets vastly more wages and Arsenal ensure they get a fee if he’s sold for some time

He’d get a massive pay rise at Arsenal until 2024, and then becomes available for £100m if we don’t get into the Champions League by then. But think of the signing on fee he’d get from a new club in 2024 if he goes there on what I presume would be a free transfer? I’m sure it would more than make up for Saka earning his current salary at Arsenal until 30th June 2024.

I can’t see any win for Saka in signing a new deal like that at Arsenal.


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Win win for both parties. He gets vastly more wages and Arsenal ensure they get a fee if he’s sold for some time

He’d get a massive pay rise for the next season and a half at Arsenal, and then becomes available for £100m if we don’t get into the Champions League by then. But think of the signing on fee he’d get from a new club in 2024 if he goes there on what I presume would be a free transfer? I’m sure it would more than make up for Saka earning his current salary at Arsenal until 30th June 2024.

I can’t see any win for Saka in signing a new deal like that at Arsenal.

You could say that about any player though ? Why did Özil and aubameyang sign new deals? Because obviously they were better than they could get elsewhere.

The club can include loyalty bonuses and all sorts sometimes payable up front, backdate pay increases it’s all made up. Remember aubameyang? All kinds of ridiculous bonuses and clauses. Or failing that pay the kid 300k a week. I doubt many clubs would wanna touch that.

If the player wants to go at all costs it’s irrelevant but if he’s open to seeing how it pans out but is reluctant and on the fence it may be a better option than letting him run down his contract. It’s basically the Grealish scenario at villa.


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You could say that about any player though ? Why did Özil and aubameyang sign new deals? Because obviously they were better than they could get elsewhere.

The club can include loyalty bonuses and all sorts sometimes payable up front, backdate pay increases it’s all made up. Remember aubameyang? All kinds of ridiculous bonuses and clauses. Or failing that pay the kid 300k a week. I doubt many clubs would wanna touch that.

If the player wants to go at all costs it’s irrelevant but if he’s open to seeing how it pans out but is reluctant and on the fence it may be a better option than letting him run down his contract. It’s basically the Grealish scenario at villa.

I bet plenty of the richest clubs would be willing to pay him £300k a week.

Myself, I think it could come down to whether we get into the top four this season. Or next at the latest. Then I would hope he’d consider signing a new deal. If we don’t, what you say about it being better to sell him than running down his contract might come into play.


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You could say that about any player though ? Why did Özil and aubameyang sign new deals? Because obviously they were better than they could get elsewhere.

The club can include loyalty bonuses and all sorts sometimes payable up front, backdate pay increases it’s all made up. Remember aubameyang? All kinds of ridiculous bonuses and clauses. Or failing that pay the kid 300k a week. I doubt many clubs would wanna touch that.

If the player wants to go at all costs it’s irrelevant but if he’s open to seeing how it pans out but is reluctant and on the fence it may be a better option than letting him run down his contract. It’s basically the Grealish scenario at villa.

I bet plenty of the richest clubs would be willing to pay him £300k a week.

Myself, I think it could come down to whether we get into the top four this season. Or next at the latest. Then I would hope he’d consider signing a new deal. If we don’t, what you say about it being better to sell him than running down his contract might come into play.

Thing is though Bernard he can easily command a 200k wage right now and he’s earning 30k in reality. That must grate.

A 2 year extension and massive rise makes sense. He’s only 20 and to leave Hatfield and go up north would feel a little premature. I think only sterling really departed in a high profile transfer at this stage in his career. He has plenty of time.

However I think if we can’t get in the top 4 next season then we have bigger problems than saka. Very hard to sell the vision of the club when it will have been adrift from the top for so long at that point. To build a winning team it takes a cycle of 3-4 years and we will have our best players leaving after 2 solid seasons. I’m not sure how you break that cycle apart from the Newcastle model where a new owner came in and unloaded so much cash on new signings the squad is built with such depth it can compete.

I think half our problems are economic. Feels to me like the Arsenal managers job for the time being is a bit futile.


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Yes she has that head mistress like "you've broken the rules and must be punished" look.
She seems like a tough cookie compared to the rest of the non-entities on the Tory front bench. She'd never get my vote, but I bet she scares the life out of those Eton boys and the public school civil servants. A little dynamo.


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Had no idea who she is, so I googled her. Very stern looking woman. She seems the type that in her private life, she wearns a German police uniform and has her submissive male refer to her as Frau Mistress or he gets a few across the arsenal.

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Big game tonight, chance to lay down a real marker.

You just know we will find some way to cock-it up though.


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