Best years ruined by Wenger

In the U23 match, Nketiah carried the ball from our own half, to score with a marauding run and out-muscling the MU defender. That is the type of player we are missing in our first team. TH14 used to do this for us. Let's hope he develops into the next TH14. But ...... Wenger is around, so highly unlikely.

Theo was a decent player but if ever there was a player who needed the benefit of direct one to one coaching and micro management it was him. Wonder if he would have been better with a different manager and it will be interesting to see how he does at Everton

Talk that the Sanchez/Mkhitaryan deal is a straight swap with no money involved.

I thought previous reports of cash + Mkhitaryan sounded too good to be true.

Too late I'm afraid, he needed expert coaching during his formative years. His game is based on pace and movement alone and his technical limitations were always going to be exposed in a tippy tappy set-up like ours.

It's interesting we are selling Walcott first as without a replacement lined up we will be really short. I would have thought one of the other 2 wingers Malcolm and Mick (I'm not spelling all that every time!) must be getting close.

There's talk it's either one of Mick or Malcolm to plus Aubameyang not all 3. Why not all 3 ?? We must have the cash and we are way short of talent

Just saw a very good Twitter thread explaining that we do probably need to sell before we can buy due to our high wage bill and the allowed % of turnover to be used for wages. Although we are very cash rich, our relatively ordinary commercial deals, high wages and no CL football means we are restricted in how much we can spend presently. That would explain why we need outs before ins.

That's being interpreted from comments made by Mickey's agent who was talking up his player big time. City pulled out because the price was too high. I would say the original reports are closer to the truth.

If that was the case, Liverpool wouldn't have been able to sign Van Dyk. Their wage bill is very high relative to revenue and they recorded a loss last year. Unless of course, they are ignoring the rules and we are being stupidly compliant.

If that's the case we must be spending way too much on wages for bog average players. If our wage bill is 234 million per annum we must be paying 6-9 players over a hundred grand a week if not more to cover the bulk of this cost.

Before anyone says the staff numbers are included in this figure I get it but the commercial staff, academy staff etc etc can't contribute the bulk of this cost.

Also if this is the case it's an act of total and absolute MADNESS to let Özil and Sanchez reach the last year of their contracts if we can't financially afford to replace them. What on earth is going on at Arsenal

He was top class at Lyon , and he looked sharp early on with us , for reasons I've pointed out I think Arsene is totally to blame for his lack of form .

No he isn't top class at the moment but I guarantee if he was playing in a Spurs side he'd be up there with Kane for goals .

Their style would compliment his attributes , ours doesn't . Only thing looking top class with our style is opposition defenders .

We certainly aren't getting much "bang for the buck " when you consider while we were spending 234 mill , Tottenham spent 120

Would be a good point to raise at the next AGM .


https://talksport.com/football/every-pr ... 61432?p=16

It's an interesting point I mean if we can't afford to spend 100 million quid per season net on new players transfer fees (which every other club seem to be doing btw) then why didn't we just offer Alexis and Özil 2 of the craziest contract offers they simply couldn't refuse as they wouldn't get the offer elsewhere.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=civzMvCcGGs .... my point about the captaincy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZbEXhR5TNE ...you understand

Was he top class enough at Lyon to make the head coach of the French national team play him instead of Giroud?

Look, I like Lacazette and agree that he needs a new manager at Arsenal as he's in the process of being Wengerised. But there's little reason to look on him as top class already.

They sold Coutinho for £145m which would offset that.

Wengerised

That's a quality new word you have invented Bernard

Wengerised

noun
1.
A professional footballer with plenty of excellent raw technical attributes unable to fulfil its potential due to lack of coaching direction at management level.
2.
E.g "oi mate that Aaron Ramsey has been properly facking wengerised"



I wonder who the most "wengerised" player we've had is? Ox and Theo have got to be high on the list. Ramsey is quite wengerised too

I honestly don't know .... Wengerised , bastardised . sodomised I really couldn't care less whether he is top class or not such is the apathy I feel for Arsenal

I only come on here in the hope that someone will announce "Arsene Wenger and Stan Kroenke have been arrested for carryings on in a public toilet and they have both resigned in disgrace ".

I hold my hand up for making the most idiotic statement seen on Gleiber . At the start of the season during our Australian tour I stated " I was happy Wenger was still in charge "...

Jesus wept was I drunk ...... because the way he's handling things at the moment he'd be in the running for the title of Arsenal's worst ever manager

Coq, Horn and Butland. I sense a certain theme there. Well, it is Arsenal we are talking about.

Cheer up you silly old sod! https://youtu.be/tqC3BjIyq_0

Jermaine Penis , David Seaman , Tony Woodcock ,

This is Wenger's socialist wage structure. Trying to keep all the players on relatively similar pay so it creates harmony...! Arsenal have continually paid big wages to young players and then quadrupled them as soon as they set foot in the first team, alongside this they don't pay the real top players enough to be able to keep them. There needs to be a much better plan.

Rashford is 'only' on a reported £20k per week at Man U. One of england's brightest young talents - but he hasn't really made it so don't pay him £80k per week like we have with lesser players

Is this the thing about wage increase year on year? I'll be honest I'm not sure how it works.

So are UEFA getting strict on the amount your total wage bill can increase by each year.....but totally ignoring the mountains of money some clubs can just pour in to clubs for transfers and 'sponsorship'?

How ridiculously ironic after years of moaning about financial fair play, carefully stashing our money and being more prudent than a church mouse that WE are now being hamstrung by trying to spend some money!

Can anyone name a single big decision the club has got right in the last 5 years?

Quite right Old Man ... I'll get out in the shed in a minute and weld something , the apathy will evaporate .

Preferred the Ventures with their driving beat over the Shadows in my teenage years but now think the Shadows have a lot more class and musical talent .

EDIT of course a lot of that would be down to Norrie Paramour

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1dmBUBu9P4

Coquelin replaced by AMN and Theo replaced by Nelson! Managing Arsenal is easy

I really can't think of one. I'd say signing Özil but the club were forced into that by fan unrest

Looking forward to our new players mick, Malcom and baba shaking their heads at the latest defensive mess in a few weeks after they have joined whilst our bench sits in absolute silence

Product of an English system at the time that pushed more physical attributes over technique and technical ability.

Given Theo's limitations could it be said that his goal record of 1 in 4, whilst not making him a roaring success, certainly makes him a long way from a failure.

I think I can guarantee that he will be well cheered when he comes back to Arsenal with Everton

Not sure if its been noted on here but Wilshere has officially been offered a new deal at Arsenal according to David Ornstein (who is usually the most accurate you'll get with Arsenal). He says it is on slightly reduced basic wage but with incentives to boost it.

I hope he signs because he's our best player at the moment!

They signed Van Dyk first though. I really don't think there is anything holding us back when it comes to the financing of transfers.

Palace at the weekend - a 3pm kick off on a saturday! a rarity. Hopefully some protests at the stadium, how can you expect or demand the fans create a rip roaring atmosphere given what the club is doing to itself and draining any sense of hope or fun from the fans.

Anyway, Palace are without their entire first choice back 4, Ward, Dann, Sakho, Schlupp.

Ramsey and Kolasinac are back. AMN will probably drop to the bench, but what happens in central midfield?

Lingard is on 100k+. Man U pay very high wages right through the squad.

Under no circumstances is his a good deal. They want to get rid of a passenger who has failed at their club.

But how can that be true. In the offseason we bid for Lemar and Mbappe at absolutely silly prices. Nothing has changed.

Removing Coq and Walcott from the squad is just the start. Per will be a good addition to the youth team staff but his time as a first team player should have been up after his FA Cup brilliance. Debuchy has to go and I’m sure he will. Chambers and elneny should be sold as well

We also have 3 players on loan in jenkinson, Campbell and Perez who we should be looking to get as much money from as possible. £20m for the lot minimum.

Along with the two who have left that is a total of 9 players who really contribute very little to the squad.

Its more about the allowed yearly wage increase, which I think is something like 7%. Though well intentioned, Its a stupid rule - Because in terms of playing staff we've spent a fair bit less than Utd, City & Chelsea in recent years (in the released amounts the papers report, their wage figures only include players, Arsenal's include ALL footballing staff), the new rules mean we can't increase our wage bill by as much as them (in absolute terms),. Essentially if our rivals and ourselves always hit our max allowed annual wage increase, we will never be able to match the wages they offer.

Liverpool sold Sakho who was on big money and of course Coutinho, and look set to loose Emre Can on a bosman because they can't meet his wage demands. Its calculated at the end of the season. Arsenal are being naturally conservative by comparison in order to not have to shed salary in a hurry in June.

No news yet?? What the hell is keeping Pierre, Mkhitaryan and Malcolm eh? We are the Arsenal it's a no brainer!!

Saw Karim got a wee link too. Again.

We will be paying at 9 players over 100k p/w

Sanchez, Özil, Walcott, Lacazette, Kolasinac (bosman so what are you gonna do!), Rambo, Welbeck, Giroud, Čech.

Re the staff numbers impact, given that includes some people on rather high salaries, I'd be surprised if at least 40-50m isn't on staff, especially given that Wenger is on 7-10m depending on who you believe.

Re Sanchez & Özil, obviously they have the flexibility to renew them up to a certain level, but not to renew both and make other quality signings without shedding other salary.

Presenting the figures equally to include staff, Spurs' figure should be about 150m ish, but out of the top 6 they are undoubtedly getting the best bang for buck, largely as a result of tying younger players down to long contracts a while ago and Pocchetino extracting better levels of performance from almost every one of their players than their previous employers. Their new stadium should cover much of the damage of their immediate wage increases, though the EPL rules mean that the next time Kane, Alli & Eriksson all want new deals, they will have had to sold one or shed wages elsewhere.