That’s definitely a variant of upset.

That was a super tournament. I was at uni when that was on. A number of memorable games and incidents and players.

Certainly upsetting for the forum’s resident German.

Germany once again failing to meet their expectations in Russia. Why do they even go there.

Though to be fair, the game was in Kazan. If I remember my history correctly they didn't get that far last time around.

For the first time recently I do wonder if you might be right.

When he’s great he’s amazing but it isn’t frequently enough and when bad its playing with ten men.

I dearly hope I’m wrong because I like him but I have a feeling you might see him in and out the side for a couple of seasons before a mercy transfer approach from a Turkish club takes the problem of his 300k wage off our hands.

Germany going out is another nail in that style of football. Germany have wonderful players but lacked pace and movement and looked incredibly vulnerable to the counter attack with full backs too high and a lack of midfield shield....sounds very like Arsenal for the past 5-10 years.

The game is now all about pace, dynamism, high press, counter attack. Goals are scored in 3-4 passes not 40. From what I’ve read about Emery subscribes to this style of football, it will be exciting to see how it pans out. My worry is how Özil fits in to this style. How do we get a player of his huge talent working in the high tempo high press game when Özil works with a more graceful, time on the ball approach?

Özil played well today, he certainly shouldn’t be the scapegoat for Germany’s exit but no doubt he will be. Compared to someone like Muller Özil has had a fantastic tournament! Özil apparently created 7 chances today, he put a few on a plate. Not sure what more he could have done today.

1994 was fantastic. A huge turnaround from the drudgery of 1990 (although memorable from an Irish standpoint). Just a pity that the 94 final was crap.

I remember the 78 final but my first real tournament was 1982 and it was spectacularly good.

And the sooner it moves on from this phase the better, as far as I'm concerned.

Commendable attempt to fit in with our English ways by shoehorning WW2 references into a Germany defeat.

What can I say? I felt like a young Rooney, too stupid to know right from left, yet with instinct leading me to greatness.

Idiot commentator on ITV 'the philosophy seems to be get the ball to Neymar' - it's not a philosophy it's called a tactic you *%^@*** *%^@.

Agree, the continual references are as tired and cumbersome as a panzer

Sorry, I will not go there anymore.

Is what Germany should've said.

What would be your preferred style?

In fairness, the French record isn't much to boast about in that regard.

Sticks probably.

chocolate gooner said much the same thing about the sophists...

Possession-based passing football. The same stuff that's been great to watch since before I was born.

Very good. As much as I like hurling, soccer has always been my favourite.

His passing is off the mark nowadays, for club and country. And he can no longer make that extra space to put a slide-rule pass. He used to be able to artfully dribble a step or two to find that space. Now he is most times static, looks around, wastes a second or two, then slides it short or long. His confidence is no longer there.

Let's hope Emery is able to bring his game up.

I still maintain that our former manager bet on the wrong horse. He bet on a horse which does not speak as loud, and not one that does have the stronger desire for success on the pitch.

For all Aussies I understand SBS has just announced it will show all the rest of the matches in the WC live as well. Great news.

I take it England will throw this game so as to have an easy run to the semis. The draw is really skewed now.

What's to stop Belgium doing the same thing?

There's a decent chance the second placed team in group G will face Colombia who are certainly no pushovers.

Only saw the match with one eye, but to me it looked like Özil was constantly delivering good balls into dangerous areas. The fact that Hummels got on the end of so many of them probably says something about why Germany struggled this tournament.

Although sticking half a dozen high crosses into the area could well guarantee a couple of goals.

They probably will. This could be one of the worst games of the WC.

I don’t think japan or Senegal will be a push over either. It goes without saying I would have a smile if England and/ or Belgium both or either went out.

His stats were very good. He created 7 chances. I am laughing at the way the Germans are taking the result. It is as if they have never won anything. They still qualified unlike Italy or Netherlands. Their sense of entitlement is a disgrace. I am sure they gave England a lot of sympathy when England lost to Iceland. F them. They were lucky to beat Sweden and just thought they could never lose to South Korea.

Depends on who's doing it and to what end. Can be some of the most sterile de-energised tedium you'll ever witness.

Heynke's Bayern and Ferguson's United were some of the best managed teams for style and tactics I have seen. Skill and power and most importantly intensity.

As big as the one I had when Peru sent you hopping back to Oz with your tails between your legs I imagine.

It's more worrying for you guys though because being annoyingly good at sport is pretty much the USP.

It think Özil was always going to be cast as the scapegoat. But it is at least partially his fault. I didn't watch yesterdays game so I don't know whether he a) took any shots b) made any runs into the box c) won any duals. I didn't notice any of the above against Mexico, where he even tracked the goalscorer all the way back without showing any interest in interfering with him in any way.

It would become a hugely entertaining game. Players demanding VAR reviews of their own side's goals.

Maybe it's an understandable sense of disappointment and humiliation at knowing they are world champions and the rest of the world is pissing themselves laughing and making Hitler jokes?

Anyway I thought they took the offside VAR decision better than most teams would have done in the circumstances. I cannot imagine how many more "fashionable" teams would have dealt with it - I can just see Ramos et al accepting it in good grace. At least the only thing Muller was pestering the ref about was how much time they had left.

Yeah, any team who's thinking about not giving their all tonight to have an easier quarter final might be in for a shock in the round of 16. Something about this England team makes me think they might perform better against bigger opponents anyway.

I can't imagine that England or Belgium will fall to the trap of playing with one eye on the next game, so I am looking forward to a very interesting encounter.

I'd agree with you that this England team do look they could rise to the occasion against the big boys. Brazil are definitely the favourites in my book now, however ... if Neymar and Coutinho stay fit.

I don't think we are good at sport anymore. Football, Rugby Union and cricket just as a current example. The modern generation do not buy into sport the way we did. My son is not interested at all. He is interested in current affairs, IT, some charity work and big on history. You cannot criticise that. But even with my friends none of their kids could give a toss about the WC, cricket, motor racing,any other code of football played here. Most of the girls have played netball but don't even follow the national team. Boys - zip since school sport.

I don't ask for sympathy ever in relation to sport. It is not our way. You are either good enough or not but all I ever demand is people to give 100% every moment of every game.

In relation to the WC - Basically the mainstream media have no idea about football. They think we should be winning the WC. Big discussions from people who understand the game about what style of play we need to adopt. We have not progressed significantly in 10 years. Unfortunately our next coach IMO has never built what I would call a great team. Yep won some trophies but the style of play was sterile. Also currently there are just no good players like a few years ago. Rogic from Celtic as an example was simply terrible. But look at the league he plays in. There is one new kid Azani and he could be really top shelf but he needs to be careful which club he goes to in Europe.