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Post #293921  Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 8:26 pm 
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Post #293922  Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 8:28 pm 
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Post #293923  Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 8:29 pm 
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Can we hang on now?

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Post #293924  Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 8:29 pm 
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I'd say sell Sanchez and buy a few defenders with the money, but it'd be pointless as Wenger can't organise a defence. :20hospitals:

May as well get rid of that useless Giroud as well.

Oh wait ... :1laughter:


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Great pass from Xhaka for the goal.

and Giroud does it.....


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Unbelievable- or maybe not. Great to win, but ......

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Hey, let's do this again about 50 times from now till May.


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Post #293928  Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 8:42 pm 
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A very valuable 3 points.

Now Vardy really knows what he's missing.


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:1laughter: Great finish


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Never in doubt. We are top of the league.

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Ramsey took his goal very well, composed and shot it calmly. Giroud is proving his worth. He should be retained, with a rotating starting role with Lacazette. Credit to Wenger for the substituitions.

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bubblechris wrote:
A very valuable 3 points.

Now Vardy really knows what he's missing.


Before the 83rd minute, Vardy must be thinking how he should write about his correct decision of not joining Arsenal.

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Post #293933  Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 9:22 pm 
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Daz wrote:
Given the choice between Sanchez for another season or the club being 50 mil richer I know which I would take.

Good for Wenger if he is consistent with this. I don't think letting Sanchez go is a massive weakness per se but I do think that forcing him to see out his contract shows both consistency and resolve and also shows that we are not just all about building our cash cushion.

As I mentioned before it is a high stakes Texas Hold Em ... If he knuckles down and performs then your line is correct if however he packs an almighty sad and doesn't perform ; keeping him will seem very foolish .


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kiwipete wrote:
So it's not only Arsenal ; you have the solid "good oil " on what's happening inside Chelsea as well .... very impressive .

We have to have dialogue otherwise the Gleiber collapses but if we end up "a mid table club" sobeit .

Look at Leicester" I hear you scream ..... but that was a once in a lifetime happening , the cards fell their way .
Even if they had kept Kante and whoever else that departed they would never have repeated that

Sure I'll come on here and have a bl**dy good moan when we lose to Swansea at home and put forward really sharp incisive suggestions on ways to improve things ; but I can't really see the point of giving myself an anxiety attack about affairs over which I have no control .


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There is nothing quite like reading one of your rambling posts in the mornings for keeping the bowels regular.

:icon_scratch: not quite sure how to take this one ... in Downunder venacular "you give me the sh*ts " ... means someone is p*ssing you off ....

However if you get a laugh and all that jiggling of the intestines helps get those part digested curried porcupine / mopane worm fritters rumbling down to the terminal on time then all is good

...I'll opt for the latter . :icon_mrgreen:


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I'll take the three points and its not that Leicester City don't have a decent squad in spite of their league finish last season, its just that we don't seem like we will be competing for all honors. I hope we do, but I don't see it.

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bubblechris wrote:
A very valuable 3 points.

Now Vardy really knows what he's missing.


and we know what we are missing not getting him .


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Never in doubt. We are top of the league.


:laughing7: and I can see right through this one ..... a not so subtle ploy to keep the 'evil' Hoy off your case .

This is like Worzel Gummidge , lathering up and entering Brook Brothers .

What about Čech's walkabout . Xhaka or Holding's [ couldn't see who it was ] wayward pass to gift them their second , the abject defending in general ......... there are negatives here aplenty .


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A lesson in how to win your opening game but leave the fans completely deflated. Today's game just encapsulated everything we know about this squad and the season ahead of us...we've seen it before.

Yes, occasionally we will get the comeback like tonight, but there will also be the drab results where we are beaten or held when we shouldn't be. We will lose assay at the top 6, raise ourselves for the occasional great performance and eventually fond an 6th. Yawn


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By the way if there is a better substitute that Giroud when you are chasing a goal then I'm yet to see him.

Giroud and Ramsey are absolutely perfect players to bring on when you need to go for broke.

I wonder if there is any way that Giroud and Lacazette can start in the same team?


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We needed one of Kos or Bfg, or even Mustafi as the cb. As much as I like Monreal he's suited to the lcb role. Without that leader and organiser I thought we'd struggle. Ideally I'd still like to see VVD signed and maybe Gabriel and/or Chambers sold. Ox played really well. Impressed with Lacazette. We need to get the missing players back pronto.


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Post #293941  Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 11:45 pm 

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We needed one of Kos or Bfg, or even Mustafi as the cb.

I think all three of them: Mertesacker, Koscielny and Mustafi should be our first choice back three for now, maybe even for the rest of the season.


  
 
 
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Hi all, Mee’s son here.

August 11th was Dad’s birthday, this would have been his 71st. I can guarantee that he would have spent hours of this one on these infamous green pages. Me and Mum both agreed he’d have secretly liked nothing better. Following a less than convincing opening day victory, it’s also a safe assumption that he wouldn’t have the most optimistic outlook for the season ahead…

Seemed like as good a time as any to check in. Glad this community seems to be still going strong, hope you’re all doing well


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Bernard wrote:
Sabir wrote:
We needed one of Kos or Bfg, or even Mustafi as the cb.

I think all three of them: Mertesacker, Koscielny and Mustafi should be our first choice back three for now, maybe even for the rest of the season.

Kos is still suspended and plays with a dodgy achilles nowadays (think I read injections before every game). We need to start planning for a replacement. Gabriel was better last season but he hasn't really been the cb we had hoped and I'd be fine with him being sold. I like Holding but he should still be a squad player for now. With everyone available, Kos and Mustafi start. Then you have either the Bfg in there for his organisation or Monreal as he is a more natural lcb. Kolasinac should only play cb in an emergency, let the guy play wing back. Btw, Ox looked so much more purposeful than Bellerin once he switched sides. I'd like to see us go for another dominant cb.


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Hi Jonathan, thanks for checking in! Your father is greatly missed on here. Was a real gentleman. All the best to you and your family.


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Rich wrote:
By the way if there is a better substitute that Giroud when you are chasing a goal then I'm yet to see him.

Credit where it's due, Wenger got the subs spot on. Thought the Leicester manager did the complete opposite with some strange changes for them. Giroud is our plan b, fantastic that he has decided to stay which means accepting he's no longer a starter, yet remains hungry and motivated when given a chance.


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kiwipete wrote:
Gaz from Oz wrote:
Never in doubt. We are top of the league.


:laughing7: and I can see right through this one ..... a not so subtle ploy to keep the 'evil' Hoy off your case .

This is like Worzel Gummidge , lathering up and entering Brook Brothers .

What about Čech's walkabout . Xhaka or Holding's [ couldn't see who it was ] wayward pass to gift them their second , the abject defending in general ......... there are negatives here aplenty .

I didn't want to share my views with the forum. The game was about what I expected. I don't want Hoy or you accusing we of being negative. I think Hoy was having a bit of a meltdown yesterday about football in general, so I want to ensure I don't push his blood pressure through the roof. Anyway it is about 26 degrees outside and fine as usual.

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Jonathan wrote:
Hi all, Mee’s son here.

August 11th was Dad’s birthday, this would have been his 71st. I can guarantee that he would have spent hours of this one on these infamous green pages. Me and Mum both agreed he’d have secretly liked nothing better. Following a less than convincing opening day victory, it’s also a safe assumption that he wouldn’t have the most optimistic outlook for the season ahead…

Seemed like as good a time as any to check in. Glad this community seems to be still going strong, hope you’re all doing well

Great to hear from you. Mee is missed by us all. After todays game, I think he would have at least written that he was worried that Spurs will finish ahead of us this season (again).

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I wonder if there is any way that Giroud and Lacazette can start in the same team?


Put their names first and second on the teamsheet ..... then jot down nine more players might manage it .


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Jonathan wrote:
Hi all, Mee’s son here.

August 11th was Dad’s birthday, this would have been his 71st. I can guarantee that he would have spent hours of this one on these infamous green pages. Me and Mum both agreed he’d have secretly liked nothing better. Following a less than convincing opening day victory, it’s also a safe assumption that he wouldn’t have the most optimistic outlook for the season ahead…

Seemed like as good a time as any to check in. Glad this community seems to be still going strong, hope you’re all doing well


Great to hear from you. He'll always be here in spirit.

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I'm interested if people think we should have had a penalty for handball yesterday? For me it is one of the most unclear rules in the game, I don't think you will ever get a group of people, let alone refs, who agree.
I seem to remember it was a half volleyed cross that hit the hand of the Leicester player who was no more than 3 yards from the ball but had his hand way above his head in 'an unnatural position'. I think it should have been given.


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I'm interested if people think we should have had a penalty for handball yesterday? For me it is one of the most unclear rules in the game, I don't think you will ever get a group of people, let alone refs, who agree.
I seem to remember it was a half volleyed cross that hit the hand of the Leicester player who was no more than 3 yards from the ball but had his hand way above his head in 'an unnatural position'. I think it should have been given.

If it was given against us I would be really annoyed. One of those could have gone either way I thought. If it was given I believe there were ways to justify it.

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Jonathan wrote:
Hi all, Mee’s son here.

August 11th was Dad’s birthday, this would have been his 71st. I can guarantee that he would have spent hours of this one on these infamous green pages. Me and Mum both agreed he’d have secretly liked nothing better. Following a less than convincing opening day victory, it’s also a safe assumption that he wouldn’t have the most optimistic outlook for the season ahead…

Seemed like as good a time as any to check in. Glad this community seems to be still going strong, hope you’re all doing well

Hi Jonathan
Your Dad is very much missed on here. Absolute gent he was.
All the best to you and your family.


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Wow
How sweet was that win!!!
From 3 2 to 4 3 and 2 lovely goals to win it.
Never could understand the criticism Giroud gets in some quarters. Guy cost 15 million and has been a brilliant buy. Scores all types of goals and sensational record as a scoring sub.
Was amazed wenger was so forthcoming that he was ready to let him leave. Maybe keep that to yourself arsene until after the window closes!
Surely The Ox who was excellent knows that if he goes to Chelsea he is going to be wingback there as well so why not stay with us????
Would be gutted to lose him now. He has been excellent recently. If it takes 120 or 140 a week to secure him then just get it done!
What a finish by lacazette
Great instinctive finish and love his tenacity and workrate. He will score goals no doubt abouy that.
Defence was shaky but will be better with kos mustafi and the bfg.
One thing i cant understand is it seems quite clear chambers is in the pending departure lounge but why?????
Young British and full of potential. Had a good season on loan last season
Wenger was very keen to sign him so why not give him a chance to stake a claim and prove himself.
I know we have holding but chambers deserves a chance too. Frustrating the way wenger gives up on some players far too quickly.
Very relieved with those 3 points. Couldnt afford another opening day slip up with stoke and Liverpool on the horizon.


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During the coverage of the game (about 35mins in), Alexis was shown watching the game in the seats. There was a very attractive blonde woman sitting next to him. Is that his girlfriend? If it is I might have an idea how he got the abdominal strain.

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Jonathan wrote:
Hi all, Mee’s son here.

August 11th was Dad’s birthday, this would have been his 71st. I can guarantee that he would have spent hours of this one on these infamous green pages. Me and Mum both agreed he’d have secretly liked nothing better. Following a less than convincing opening day victory, it’s also a safe assumption that he wouldn’t have the most optimistic outlook for the season ahead…

Seemed like as good a time as any to check in. Glad this community seems to be still going strong, hope you’re all doing well


Hi Jonathan,

It's so sad that your dad is no longer with us. His tongue-in-cheek "doom and gloom" Arsenal prophesies were so beautifully written, without even a hint of bad language or abuse, you could not help but smile whenever you read them.

I think everyone really misses him on here.

Regards.....Soc


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Just watched the goals again, the quality of the pass from Xhaka for Ramsey's goal was only surpassed by the first touch of Ramsey. Perfect way to control a ball and put it in a position where a goal was almost certain.
Love Giroud, he delivers for us so often. Up against Maguire on that corner he out muscled him with Maguire ending up on the floor, what a magnificent header!

Time to sort out the defence. 3 shots on goal 3 goals from them.
1st goal was a dreadful mistake from Čech, second goal a bad giveaway in our own half but then an indefensible ball across the box. 3rd goal is the one that worries me the most. A totally free run from vardy and no one of the post. That is the sort of goal we will concede every week if we don't fix that


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I think all three of them: Mertesacker, Koscielny and Mustafi should be our first choice back three for now, maybe even for the rest of the season.

Kos is still suspended and plays with a dodgy achilles nowadays (think I read injections before every game). We need to start planning for a replacement. Gabriel was better last season but he hasn't really been the cb we had hoped and I'd be fine with him being sold. I like Holding but he should still be a squad player for now. With everyone available, Kos and Mustafi start. Then you have either the Bfg in there for his organisation or Monreal as he is a more natural lcb. Kolasinac should only play cb in an emergency, let the guy play wing back. Btw, Ox looked so much more purposeful than Bellerin once he switched sides. I'd like to see us go for another dominant cb.


Hi Sab,

I've been saying the same for ages but people keep telling me we have enough centrebacks. Numbers-wise maybe, but not quality-wise in my opinion. If Dick Van Dyke is all that then go and pay the money and get him.

Defensively speaking that performance last night was another in a long line of embarassing ones. I know we had a makeshift defence but we just can't defend. Too many players are not prepared to put their bodies on the line and, especially with this zonal defending lark, are far too happy to pass the responsibility of defending on to someone else.

As an example, I'm not picking on Xhaka (who actually did pretty well going forward) but he has to win that header against Okazaki (who is about four inches shorter) for the first goal and then he stands there pointing as Vardy strolls past him and heads in the third. Kolasinac also made some bad defensive errors.

We should be doing more defensive work on the training ground to make at least look like a professional outfit. On the pitch, there are no leaders, no one who can seem to organise things so that these lapses of concentration and general defensive frailties are addressed intra-game.

The way we play, it looks like all we ever do on the training ground is play five-a-sides because defending seems an alien concept.


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Elneny is a worry as well, no way is he of the required quality. It's still an enigma who will partner Xhaka in the engine room, Ramsey seems the best option but does he have the discipline to play there? Agree that BFG should play, despite his limitations we need his tactical nous and leadership.

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Absolutely mental opening game. Everything you'd expect from an Arsenal season rolled into one game; the frustration, the defensive errors that lead to unnecessary goals, the undeniable quality that is there but doesn't always show, late goals from two much-maligned players...

After watching the highlights again I feel better about our performance than I did yesterday. It's very worrying that all three goals we allowed seemed to be on the back of defensive errors, but to me they looked like individual errors rather than systemic ones - especially Čech for the first goal and Xhaka's stray pass for the second one, but also the poor pass that lead to the corner they scored the third goal from. We were missing four central defenders after all, all of whom would've started before Kolasinac and possibly before Holding as well. It could be argued our three main starters were out.

I thought we looked great going forward. We rarely got stuck just playing it around the penalty area, we continued to create chances throughout the entire game. Very encouraging.

On individual players, I loved Lacazette's debut. Great movement, brilliant finishing (would've scored another goal if it wasn't for a brilliant save by Schmeichel) and those quick feet in the penalty are will see him score loads for us.

Hard to say where this leaves us, because the performance asked as many questions as it answered but at least we got the three points and can go from there.


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Post #293960  Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 8:16 am 

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On the pitch, there are no leaders, no one who can seem to organise things so that these lapses of concentration and general defensive frailties are addressed intra-game.

That is exactly what Mertesacker gives us though. As I said yesterday, for me Arsenal's first choice back three from the current squad should be Mertesacker, Koscielny and Mustafi. None of them played last night. If they all had, my money would be on Leicester not getting three goals.

I'm not arguing against a suggestion that we should sign another. Mertesacker is retiring at the end of the season, and as Sabir implied yesterday there have to be concerns about Koscielny's fitness. I can't recall where I read or heard it in an interview, but someone with Arsenal connections (could have been an ex-player for all I remember) said he has to have treatment on a daily basis to play at all. If that is true, how much longer will he last as a player at the top level? This season at the very least I hope, or at least when he plays this season. Hopefully next season as well. But he is less than a month from his 32nd birthday and I'll be surprised if he lasts as long as someone like John Terry and maybe not even another three years. In short, I'm afraid I agree with what Sabir said about having to start planning for not having Koscielny any more.


  
 
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