wen the takes go thermonuclear...

I want Wenger out as much as the next guy Pete but as it is with thousands of us, we love this darn club. Its tough to watch them and not want them to win. When we are not playing its easy but as soon as the referee blows that whistle, its asking a lot to be not interested. Easier for some than others. I wish I didn't care, it would make things easier but I can't 'stop caring' while we are playing.

Whatever happens tonight, for the first time in 20 years Tottenham are not at a financial disadvantage to Arsenal, In 2017/18 they will earn more than Arsenal from tv and UEFA and have large increases in matchday and commercial revenue. ... from Alex Flynn

I can my crazy American cousin

I really couldn't give a *%^@ anymore. I hope milan score half a dozen tomorrow

Before Wenger we were not perfect but this club seems completely broken and a few meaningless cup runs mean nothing. I cant even look at a picture of the bloke these days without wincing, complete *%^@.

Forza Milan!

and yet our wage bill is double theirs.

Makes you wonder what was the point in moving the the Emirates? I still, despite reading many breakdowns of our finances, find it impossible to understand where all our money goes.

Reports are Bellerin is injured for tonight. We sold our only other RB in january and have needed proper RB cover and competition for a number of windows.

Wasn't the rumour that Bellerin and Ramsey were the rebels againest Wenger team meeting ? Wenger political power play? (ghastly man)

Also those rumours about the squad not being happy the wages disparity between Aubameyang and the rest ? Clearly leaked by Jack and Ramsey's agents

I had a pretty weird dream last night. AW got the tin tack and David O’Leary was appointed until the end of the season.

I find myself thinking that it’s maybe not that daft an idea. The bad feeling has long since died down indeed he’s been seen in the Directors’ box quite recently.

whatabout whatabout whatabout...

Not sure how relevant the fact that other civilian planes have been shot down is to the issue of culpability in this case. Also the world did do something about the Vincennes incident - specifically, the Iranians commissioned the PFLP to bring down PA103 over Lockerbie - more dead innocents - something Reagan decided to pin on the Libyans for political expediency.

Rather than my enemy's enemy being my friend I tend to work on the principle that my enemy's enemy is in all likelihood as big a *%^@ as my enemy.

Please not Joachim Low.....
As good as he has been for Germany I think he would be a massive risk.
Can he translate international management to club level.
I'm not so sure.
Been ages since he was a club level.
Someone or allegri would be my dream choices but realistically Jardim of Monaco ticks all the boxes

David, any appointment would be a risk to some extent, but I wouldn't call Low a massive risk. He makes Germany play a style of football I love watching, seems tactically aware from what I see of his national team, and has close ties with many German players so might be able to tap into that area of the transfer market. I'd be delighted with Low.

I know mate I had that stance up to a year ago ; the longer it goes all of us you ( even maybe someone like bubble chris ?) could cross the rubicon, as wanting arsenal to win whilst Wenger is around is counter productive and thus remain with that conflict

basically that means either not care or want us to lose ; the way I now see it is arsenal doesn’t exist at the moment , it’s been replaced by a club called Arsene , when that club goes arsenal come back and we reset from there .

I guess it’s easier for the likes of me, daz and Tom who have other clubs to divert our attention

Yes but a manager that picks his nose and scratches his arse on th touch line ?? Surely Wenger is a bett.... oh hang on , arse scratching it is

We’d go from Arsene to the arse scratcher

Who? Nevermind, doesn't matter. My support is benign. I'm not a season ticket holder so my cheering for Arsenal in some random bar in a random country doesn't affect things. I don't buy merchandise any longer. So, I have near zero effect on the club financially.
You season ticket holders have all the power.

Let's go 'Old Lady'! Get out of your rocking chair and make something happen.

ahh the Iranians constitute the whole world now ... okey dokey

Not what I said.

But I don’t think much of whataboutery when it comes to mass murder.

It’s all bad.

And it isn’t always the fault of the West.

Simeone would be the dream for me.
We have a group of 7/10 players playing at a 4/10 level, simeone is the manager to take that same group of 7/10 players and make them a 9/10 TEAM.
Considering we apparently don’t have a huge amount of money I’d trust simeone to get far more out of our current players. Players who are not up for the fight would be shipped out.
Wouldn’t give it much chance though.

Spurs get away with a nailed on penalty for Juve, add in Juve missing a penalty in the first leg and they are riding their luck. Our CL performances have never been great once were at the KO stages but we are rarely got that slice of luck you occasionally need.
Obviously bad luck in the draws, still unlikely to win but could have got a few more QF
Liverpool penalty in the 4-2 loss up there and a nailed on Hleb penalty not given in the first leg
Quite a few red cards vs Barca....
Even the penalty in the 4-3 aggregate defeat to Milan was a joke

Well, we won’t be back in it for a while so let’s hope our luck in the Europa League makes up for it

Now spurs lead from a ridiculous miss kick from Son bouncing and skewing the ball between gk and defender. I fear they are going through here

Spurs workrate on and off the ball is the most impressive thing about them. The flood bodies forward but as soon as they lose it there is usually every player except Kane chasing back like a mad man.
And they only need to chase back a long way if they haven’t committed a tactical foul first. Spurs give away so many free kicks on the edge of the oppositions box

Well deserved , trouble is their in such different place from arsenal and have a clear direction as a club , with our financial advantages eroded , it might be hard for a while for us to keep pace , unless we address our current farce .

Got to hope their stars get picked off

Boom! 2-1 Juve

Wenger are you watching - Allegri makes a tactical change and turns the tie upside down. Yes Arsene a tactical change.

Having said that

Apparantly this second half is popular in. Bars in Milan for some reason

And the change he made was to bring on two attack minded full backs and change the shape.
This wasn’t your standard take off a defensive player and throw on another striker type of tactical change

Boys!! Remember the days when we defended lik this ?

True arsenal heritage

Seems like a long time ago now

Enjoyed that

Terrible when the only enjoyment I can get from football is to see Spurs crash out of Europe.

We saw proper game-changing tactical changes from Allegri this evening, that's where a manager earns his corn (or not).

Wenger would have been too busy arguing with the 4th official

I know what you mean.

I feel I can be very happy about it on here, Spurs winning the CL would have killed me this season. However, outside of this forum I certainly won't be showing my happiness that Spurs are out. I don't want anyone to think that Arsenal fans are getting more joy out of spurs losing than anything we are currently serving up!

By the way, harsh lesson for Spurs. They were very good over the two legs but the Old Lady know how to win these ties. Clinical when they needed to be. Also how good was Chielini up against Kane? Was borderline fouling him every time the ball came near the two of them, Chielini pretty much had hold of Kane even when the ball was 70 yards away but it was brilliant, old school Italian defending of 'thou shall not pass' - especially as good defending seems a lost art form nowadays

Didn’t realise our next 3 prem games are all at home. Watford, Stoke, Southampton. Some nice fixtures if you want to build your confidence. Surely, surely Čech can get his 200th prem clean sheet in one of those games.

Juve 21 matches undefeated in all comps, only conceded 4 goals in those 21 matches. That is just insane.

not saying it is ...and I'm in no way pro Russian I just find American and British hypocrisy staggering .

for example ...jumping and screaming about Chinese takeover of the Spratly and Paracel Islands while [ a few years back granted ] they decided Diego Garcia was a handy place from which to launch attacks against the Middle East so they just bundled up all the original inhabitants and dumped them on the Mauritius then built a huge base there .

Diego Garcians took it to the international court won their case ; Britain just ignored the decision .

The 'Old Lady' is a stingy woman Rich. They have a huge football pedigree and never stay down long.

I don't think the home matches will be that easy. All of the sides have played the better teams well and we have had our issues with the latter two.

I do hope we make a serious offer for Watfords central midfielder. I read a rumor Man Utd may be after him and I can't help but think Mourinho is interested partially because we are. I don't think he hates Wenger. I think its brinksmanship. He and Wenger were cordial, even to the point of getting along, at some football conference thingy a few years ago. Same with Fergie. I think he highly respects Wenger. Of other managers who Wenger has had "run ins" with (Pardew, Hughes), I don't think there is bad blood either. The only one who I think its personal for him is fat Sam. The reason I think he is is because of two reasons. First, Wenger made it difficult, in his view, of British managers getting top jobs. He blames Wenger for big clubs looking outside the UK for managers. He said as much once that British managers weren't getting considered. The second is I think he regards Wenger as arrogant. Its bad enough, in his mind, he is taking 'British manager jobs' but he's acting an azz as well. Not shaking hands, not having a drink with the opposition manager after a match. I think he thinks its disrespectful and very bad form. Just my guess.