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Post #502081  Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2020 7:58 am 
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Another thing while I am on my high horse......why are some PL players refusing to even countenance the idea of a wage cut given the economic circumstances unfolding around the world and the fact that clubs are currently getting no gate revenues. Selfish wankers.


You may have to bring your complaints to the WAGs. :42laughter:

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Another thing while I am on my high horse......why are some PL players refusing to even countenance the idea of a wage cut given the economic circumstances unfolding around the world and the fact that clubs are currently getting no gate revenues. Selfish wankers.

They need to be very careful at the moment. IM humble opinion there is a possibility that contracts could be cancelled. If you know of the term 'force majeure' in contract law it may be a possibility. Here is a good summary of the law

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Another thing while I am on my high horse......why are some PL players refusing to even countenance the idea of a wage cut given the economic circumstances unfolding around the world and the fact that clubs are currently getting no gate revenues. Selfish wankers.

Arsenal players amongst them.

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Oi Roger why did so many posts just vanish off the forum?

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Was it just mine?

Did 'fluck you' cause such a big offence or was it because I accused TG of being a troll?

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Heartbreaking.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football ... m3Mhthkj1U

Jamie Brooks was two days away from becoming an Arsenal Invincible before illness struck

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Oi Roger why did so many posts just vanish off the forum?

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Not just your post. I just found the whole pontification and name calling about Coronavirus somewhat tedious and unedifying. Rog had edited one post. I just removed a few.

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Oi Roger why did so many posts just vanish off the forum?

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Not just your post. I just found the whole pontification and name calling about Coronavirus somewhat tedious and unedifying. Rog had edited one post. I just removed a few.

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Talk of Kane to Man Utd. I must admit, I didn't think they would do as well while he was out and they didn't drop in form as bad as I thought they would. Son and other players stepped up.

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... Why we didn't shut our borders I have no idea. It's the first thing I would have done.
For UK citizens trying to get back home from abroad?

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Another thing while I am on my high horse......why are some PL players refusing to even countenance the idea of a wage cut given the economic circumstances unfolding around the world and the fact that clubs are currently getting no gate revenues. Selfish wankers.
Perhaps if some of the very privileged people in our country took a lead others might follow. As I said the other day let the Queen and her family, the other media and sporting elites, entertainers and the politicians set the tone. Yes the earnings of Premiership footballers are ridiculously out of kilter with the fans, and right now seem even more crackers, but I can't help feeling the players are a very easy target at the moment.

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... Why we didn't shut our borders I have no idea. It's the first thing I would have done.
For UK citizens trying to get back home from abroad?


Quarantine? plenty of airport hotels to hold them I would have thought.

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With so many sporting events cancelled they're having to televise the World Origami Championship.
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With so many sporting events cancelled they're having to televise the World Origami Championship.
It's on Paperview.


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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/arse ... e598b9d7ea


Our club (like many others) will emerge much weaker.

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For UK citizens trying to get back home from abroad?
Quarantine? plenty of airport hotels to hold them I would have thought.
A couple of weeks ago Raab advised there were somewhere between 400k-1 million Brits abroad. Not all of them will want to return but I wonder at what number it would become an impossible logistical challenge to enforce quarantine? Another tough decision for a government to make.

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Another thing while I am on my high horse......why are some PL players refusing to even countenance the idea of a wage cut given the economic circumstances unfolding around the world and the fact that clubs are currently getting no gate revenues. Selfish wankers.
Perhaps if some of the very privileged people in our country took a lead others might follow. As I said the other day let the Queen and her family, the other media and sporting elites, entertainers and the politicians set the tone. Yes the earnings of Premiership footballers are ridiculously out of kilter with the fans, and right now seem even more crackers, but I can't help feeling the players are a very easy target at the moment.


Hi OMG,

Amongst the selfless heroes and true diamonds we have seen during this crisis there have been many selfish wankers (not just footballers) who have shown their true colours, including the likes of Branson.

Are you telling me that Arsenal players could not take a 12.5% pay-cut when most of the rest of the country are actually worried about having a job to go back to. I didn't even think they would need asking given what it would actually mean to them in terms of lifestyle (nothing). Maybe they wouldn't be able to afford all the optional extras on the Ferrari they buy this month.

The reaction of PL footballers and clubs is probably the final straw for me. I knew football was in danger of eating itself but I think it is close to happening now.


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long time gooner wrote:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/arsenal-stars-reject-12-5-pay-cut-deal-2p2b7kffm?shareToken=8aa2293c26c834abaf9f10e598b9d7ea


Our club (like many others) will emerge much weaker.


Our esteemed Owner will certainly be feeling the pinch. A very large part of the Kroenke empire is vested in professional sport - LA Rams, Denver Nuggets, Colorado Avalanche and The Arsenal - all with very highly paid stars and all currently sitting at home draining the KSE coffers while earning precisely nothing.

The other major element in the KSE portfolio is property - he owns stadia, theatres, sports centres, theme parks and malls all over America (and North London) - all currently mothballed, empty, soaking up maintenance resources and racking up interest charges.

Kroenke is bleeding. I wonder if he might feel tempted to offload one of his off-shore assets?

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If clubs are having to let non-playing staff go then how can they possibly spend money in the next transfer window, or is some money going to miraculously appear, as if from nowhere, when a player become available?


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If clubs are having to let non-playing staff go then how can they possibly spend money in the next transfer window, or is some money going to miraculously appear, as if from nowhere, when a player become available?


That’s the problem it’s a chicken and egg thing. You can’t maintain your ability to pay the non playing staff if what’s happening on the pitch is going to *%^@.

The players should have just accepted the offer. 12.5% for 1 season, just peanuts to them. Barca did 20?

Someone posted on twitter that none of the current staff can ever be considered legends now because of what they have done. As Gaz quite rightly posted the other day the players may have written themselves into a corner if they have Force majeure in their contracts as that would allow arsenal to use unforeseeable circumstances that prevent someone from fulfilling a contract.

Although how you could apply this I don’t know. It would be very difficult to say ok Mustafi, Xhaka and Özil your off first we will keep Aubameyang and Martinelli cheers ,
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/arsenal-stars-reject-12-5-pay-cut-deal-2p2b7kffm?shareToken=8aa2293c26c834abaf9f10e598b9d7ea


Our club (like many others) will emerge much weaker.


Our esteemed Owner will certainly be feeling the pinch. A very large part of the Kroenke empire is vested in professional sport - LA Rams, Denver Nuggets, Colorado Avalanche and The Arsenal - all with very highly paid stars and all currently sitting at home draining the KSE coffers while earning precisely nothing.

The other major element in the KSE portfolio is property - he owns stadia, theatres, sports centres, theme parks and malls all over America (and North London) - all currently mothballed, empty, soaking up maintenance resources and racking up interest charges.

Kroenke is bleeding. I wonder if he might feel tempted to offload one of his off-shore assets?

We can only hope.

Indeed. Just a dream though, I fear.
On the wages, the players absolutely should be helping the less fortunate, many of them are. But I wouldn't be very keen to take a pay cut to help out a multi billionaire club owner, who is quite happy to rake it in under normal circumstances, and is hardly going to be heading for the food bank however much his businesses are suffering now.


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If clubs are having to let non-playing staff go then how can they possibly spend money in the next transfer window, or is some money going to miraculously appear, as if from nowhere, when a player become available?



I think all the Prem clubs are desperate to avoid paying back the TV money. They'll swallow the refund on Season Ticket money, largely I'd guess by discounting next season's renewal cost so that there's no immediate cash drain on the club's coffers. But if SKY & BT slap them with a reimbursement demand for non-delivery of pre-paid TV matches, that could cause mass panic.


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Our esteemed Owner will certainly be feeling the pinch. A very large part of the Kroenke empire is vested in professional sport - LA Rams, Denver Nuggets, Colorado Avalanche and The Arsenal - all with very highly paid stars and all currently sitting at home draining the KSE coffers while earning precisely nothing.

The other major element in the KSE portfolio is property - he owns stadia, theatres, sports centres, theme parks and malls all over America (and North London) - all currently mothballed, empty, soaking up maintenance resources and racking up interest charges.

Kroenke is bleeding. I wonder if he might feel tempted to offload one of his off-shore assets?

We can only hope.

Indeed. Just a dream though, I fear.
On the wages, the players absolutely should be helping the less fortunate, many of them are. But I wouldn't be very keen to take a pay cut to help out a multi billionaire club owner, who is quite happy to rake it in under normal circumstances, and is hardly going to be heading for the food bank however much his businesses are suffering now.


This is a valid point. The CEO of my company donated 1 years salary to a fund to provide financial support for his business partners and non contracted employees during this crisis.

What has Kroenke done ? Probably little. Disgusting filthy maggot


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That’s said your only asking Özil to survive off 284k a week rather than 325k or whatever !!!

This is the problem with Covid. It exposes people’s morality compass all over the place.


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old man of hoy wrote:
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Quarantine? plenty of airport hotels to hold them I would have thought.
A couple of weeks ago Raab advised there were somewhere between 400k-1 million Brits abroad. Not all of them will want to return but I wonder at what number it would become an impossible logistical challenge to enforce quarantine? Another tough decision for a government to make.


Phased repatriation, hold them for 7 days and then test them, if all clear send them home with instructions to self isolate for a further 7 to 10 days.

Difficult, but not impossible, we’re all making it up as we go along.

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If Sky and BT do go after the clubs they should do what they do, don’t answer the phone or return the call.

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That’s said your only asking Özil to survive off 284k a week rather than 325k or whatever !!!

This is the problem with Covid. It exposes people’s morality compass all over the place.

Yes, this is quite true. If any single individual 'ordinary' employee of Arsenal has to lose wages in any way, lose their job or rely on taxpayers money it will be an eternal disgrace.


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If clubs are having to let non-playing staff go then how can they possibly spend money in the next transfer window, or is some money going to miraculously appear, as if from nowhere, when a player become available?

Good point. Hadn't thought about the TV money having to be paid back possibly.

I think all the Prem clubs are desperate to avoid paying back the TV money. They'll swallow the refund on Season Ticket money, largely I'd guess by discounting next season's renewal cost so that there's no immediate cash drain on the club's coffers. But if SKY & BT slap them with a reimbursement demand for non-delivery of pre-paid TV matches, that could cause mass panic.

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There is an outfit in south Philadelphia, whose last names end in vowels, play bocce ball and have loads of experience in contract negotiation who the clubs can bring in to deal with Sky.

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There is an outfit in south Philadelphia, whose last names end in vowels, play bocce ball and have loads of experience in contract negotiation who the clubs can bring in to deal with Sky.

God only knows what you're on about.


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There is an outfit in south Philadelphia, whose last names end in vowels, play bocce ball and have loads of experience in contract negotiation who the clubs can bring in to deal with Sky.

Can I buy a vowel ?


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Obama is expected to endorse his friend and his former VP, Biden, soon. I've never been as excited about a candidate as I was for Obama. He was a true outsider who the establishment tried to quell, but he disappointed me by his 2nd term (he was bought by then) but he was still a good president overall. And I knew his place in history was assured in 2016. I thought to myself, Obama has guaranteed himself a high ranking with regards to Presidents because he will be sandwiched between 2 of the worse presidents in American history.
Overall, I'd put him no worse than 2nd in the modern era (1960s to present).

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Like anyone thinks this will ever happen...lol.
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Barcelona to offer Philippe Coutinho to Arsenal in £75million transfer or on loan

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Hi OMG,

Amongst the selfless heroes and true diamonds we have seen during this crisis there have been many selfish wankers (not just footballers) who have shown their true colours, including the likes of Branson.

Are you telling me that Arsenal players could not take a 12.5% pay-cut when most of the rest of the country are actually worried about having a job to go back to. I didn't even think they would need asking given what it would actually mean to them in terms of lifestyle (nothing). Maybe they wouldn't be able to afford all the optional extras on the Ferrari they buy this month.

The reaction of PL footballers and clubs is probably the final straw for me. I knew football was in danger of eating itself but I think it is close to happening now.
Hi Soc - I understand where you are coming from, and yes it is hard not to feel a certain contempt for the current football scene, which seems as far removed from the people than it ever has been. However, it is worth considering who actually benefits if the Arsenal players take a pay cut? Certainly not the government who would lose tax revenue; nor the taxpayer because the club is privately owned, and as far as we know not in receipt of any public funds. So no additional money to be diverted to the virus crisis or the NHS. Arsenal is a private enterprise, and one assumes the owner bears the risk. And the last time we looked he wasn't short of a few bob.

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Hi OMG,

Amongst the selfless heroes and true diamonds we have seen during this crisis there have been many selfish wankers (not just footballers) who have shown their true colours, including the likes of Branson.

Are you telling me that Arsenal players could not take a 12.5% pay-cut when most of the rest of the country are actually worried about having a job to go back to. I didn't even think they would need asking given what it would actually mean to them in terms of lifestyle (nothing). Maybe they wouldn't be able to afford all the optional extras on the Ferrari they buy this month.

The reaction of PL footballers and clubs is probably the final straw for me. I knew football was in danger of eating itself but I think it is close to happening now.
Hi Soc - I understand where you are coming from, and yes it is hard not to feel a certain contempt for the current football scene, which seems as far removed from the people than it ever has been. However, it is worth considering who actually benefits if the Arsenal players take a pay cut? Certainly not the government who would lose tax revenue; nor the taxpayer because the club is privately owned, and as far as we know not in receipt of any public funds. So no additional money to be diverted to the virus crisis or the NHS. Arsenal is a private enterprise, and one assumes the owner bears the risk. And the last time we looked he wasn't short of a few bob.

Footballers are the easy target here. Matt Hancock calling them out was $@$*#y IMO. How about calling on the Hedge fund managers who are making billions on the back of this crisis? Or the billionaires who seem bullet proof when it comes to any criticism from the Conservatives? Cynical imo.

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