I'm starting to change my opinion here. Maybe if you just repeat your claim one more time I'll be completely convinced?

I couldn't care less about convincing you or not.

Top Gun, then perhaps you should wait until Wenger writes his book before making such claims. As things stand, I can't see much evidence for what you claim. Also, I'm absolutely positive that when he joined Everton I saw Walcott described as a good (or other positive words) finisher. I'm not saying you said it, but I saw his finishing described positively on this forum. It might interest you that in club football and full internationals, Walcott has scored one goal every 3.9 appearances. Welbeck has scored a goal every 4.1 appearances in club football and full internationals. They both have played most of their football in wide positions. Does a difference of a goal every 0.2 appearances really justify having some people describe Walcott's finishing so positively, while others (or maybe in some cases the same people) describe Welbeck's finishing so negatively? Furthermore, I personally rate Welbeck's all round game more highly than I rate Walcott's which for me more than makes up for the goal every 0.2 per appearances difference.

Of course you do, otherwise you wouldn't keep on responding.

The simple fact is that you haven't provided a single shred of evidence for your claim. You have an opinion and you think just repeating it is enough. The fact that pointing this out rattles you so much tells its own story.

You're right but have you proved the opposite?

How on earth am I supposed to do that?

By offering your own opinion and contrasting evidence

Again, evidence of what?

Ferguson recommended the signing to Wenger. This is as far as I know not in dispute, and therefore needs no further evidence. Your view seems to be that this was a part of some scheme where Ferguson wanted to “do one on Wenger”. This is a claim that needs to be substantiated with some sort of evidence, unless you just want to put it out there as speculation (which is fair enough, but you can’t really ridicule people for not having faith in every one of your guesses).

I’ve already stated my opinion on the matter. The burden of proof is on you.

Did your mum drop you as a kid

So you believe Ferguson and man united were not aware Welbeck was something of an average talent when they sold him. :laughing7:

How on earth am I supposed to do that?

Ask a physiognomist. The answer is staring you in the face.

I believe Van Gaal saw Welbeck as surplus to requirement, and Ferguson thought Welbeck would do well at Arsenal, so he recommended him to Wenger. Not really complicated, and certainly fits better in with things we actually know than that conspiracy nonsense you're trying to peddle.

I'm not peddling any conspiracy nonsense just stated United were more than happy to sell Welbeck as they believed he wasn't good enough for them. You seem to think otherwise

I used to have two Doberman Pinschers. Super breed - clever, fast and loyal. Bit like Georgie Armstrong.

You are aware that Ferguson wasn't the manager at United when they sold Welbeck right? It's perfectly possible that van Gaal was ok with selling him while Ferguson held a different view.

And please don't call me stupid. Insults from random drunk gobshites on the internet is my big weakness.

And you didn't 'just state' that United were happy to sell. You also alluded to Fergusons involvement in the deal was to do one on Wenger. That's what we're really debating here, not whether United were ok with selling him - they clearly were seeing as they did.

*%^@*** hell mate your as useless as a marzipan dildo.

Would that really be so useless?

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Some people just never know when to stop.

Accept we all have different opinions for whatever reason, rightly or wrongly, let it go and move on to the next subject before you get sucked in to meaningless debate.

you can talk about the level of Fergusons direct involvement as a seperate matter and I really don't care about it as you changed the focus of the original point i was making.

Some people just never know when to stop.

Accept we all have different opinions for whatever reason, rightly or wrongly, let it go and move on to the next subject before you get sucked in to meaningless debate.

The reason it even became a debate is because you said there was a reason Ferguson brokered the deal. It's there a few pages back for everyone to see. That's what me and Bernard took issue with and that's what we've been talking about. The fact that you actually think you're being clever with this *%^@ is just sad.

I'm obviously more at home with the lexical repetitions of a sestina but I can tell a hawk from a handsaw...

How about you don't lecture others and instead stop with your frequent confrontational posts to AG? I know we all like to poke fun at him every now and then, but you just come across as charmless and rude.

Rude I may be but my reactions are those of a normal person

Total troll.