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Post #517161  Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2022 8:02 am 
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It does seem quite odd to have let Pépé go without having a replacement lined up, especially after we tried hard to sign Raphina.


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Post #517162  Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2022 8:21 am 
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Also it can’t be forgotten that the usual absurdity of the transfer window generally has been exacerbated by crazy inflation. Just seems absurd these sums of money.

I mean you have chelsea and man united alone who look like they are both going to unload half a billion quid on players yet some of their fans will be really concerned about inflation and the cost of energy this winter and what with Russia throttling gas supply and prices going through the roof I fear many people could have real problems in the country this winter.

I’m lucky enough to not have to worry about my energy bills much apart from a passing interest but this isn’t the case for many. Feels like for the first time in a long time this country has very serious problems coming and the transfer fee of Fofana maybe the least of Chelsea’s fans problems.


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Post #517163  Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2022 8:26 am 
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It does seem quite odd to have let Pépé go without having a replacement lined up, especially after we tried hard to sign Raphina.

At the end of the day he’s on big wages so even assuming we don’t sign a replacement if nice are paying 75k ish a week of his wages the club saves itself about 4 million in one year. Very hard to justify that cost based on the amount of minutes he’s getting.

That said like I said yesterday he does offer something we don’t have in the squad bar saka which is a genuine winger who can attack his full back and have him on his heels.


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Also it can’t be forgotten that the usual absurdity of the transfer window generally has been exacerbated by crazy inflation. Just seems absurd these sums of money.

I mean you have chelsea and man united alone who look like they are both going to unload half a billion quid on players yet some of their fans will be really concerned about inflation and the cost of energy this winter and what with Russia throttling gas supply and prices going through the roof I fear many people could have real problems in the country this winter.

I’m lucky enough to not have to worry about my energy bills much apart from a passing interest but this isn’t the case for many. Feels like for the first time in a long time this country has very serious problems coming and the transfer fee of Fofana maybe the least of Chelsea’s fans problems.


It really is genuinely crazy, just when you thought transfer fees and wages could not get any more out of touch with reality they just spiral out of control. It's madness but where does it end.


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Post #517165  Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2022 8:59 am 
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socrates wrote:
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Also it can’t be forgotten that the usual absurdity of the transfer window generally has been exacerbated by crazy inflation. Just seems absurd these sums of money.

I mean you have chelsea and man united alone who look like they are both going to unload half a billion quid on players yet some of their fans will be really concerned about inflation and the cost of energy this winter and what with Russia throttling gas supply and prices going through the roof I fear many people could have real problems in the country this winter.

I’m lucky enough to not have to worry about my energy bills much apart from a passing interest but this isn’t the case for many. Feels like for the first time in a long time this country has very serious problems coming and the transfer fee of Fofana maybe the least of Chelsea’s fans problems.


It really is genuinely crazy, just when you thought transfer fees and wages could not get any more out of touch with reality they just spiral out of control. It's madness but where does it end.


It’s nuts. In particular what united are doing is just crazy.

30 year old Casemiro ok he’s never set the world alight but 35 million. No .. ok we’ll double it.

Ajax winger. 50 no ok will 85 do it ?

I read a rumour they are still trying to sign that Napoli striker for 130m euros and we’re mooting including ronaldo in the deal.

Just madness


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Post #517166  Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2022 9:11 am 
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Man U are about to tip in to £225m of summer spending.

They crazy part about that graph is that Arsenal have spent somewhere around £110-115m and we're not even in the top six of the biggest spenders. The money available for Premier League clubs is absolutely insane.


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Cherries...err Bournemouth have sacked manager Scott Parker. It was was that 9-0 Liverpool mauling that did it.

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Post #517168  Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2022 9:45 am 
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When Man U sign Antony Eric ten Hag will have spent more in 1 transfer window than Arteta did in his first 5 transfer windows......


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Post #517169  Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2022 9:48 am 
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Post #517170  Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2022 9:49 am 
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Mohamed Elneny suffered significant injury vs Fulham. Arsenal awaiting full extent but 30yo expected to miss considerable spell. Partey also nursing (relatively minor) muscle issue so #AFC may look to recruit in midfield. With @gunnerblog @TheAthleticUK


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Post #517171  Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2022 9:50 am 
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Cherries...err Bournemouth have sacked manager Scott Parker. It was was that 9-0 Liverpool mauling that did it.

Bournemouth's first 4 games this season were Villa, City, Arsenal, Liverpool. What was the realistic expectation points wise after those 4 games? 4 if they could spring a surprise draw against one of the big boys possibly. They have 3 points.
Obviously they got hammered in each of the games against the big boys but I don't think that is a sacking based on just the results. Parker was quite critical of the owners for not backing him in the transfer market as he says the squad are ill equipped for this level. When you see Forrest make 18 new signings and spend well over £100m you can see Parker's point somewhat


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Mohamed Elneny suffered significant injury vs Fulham. Arsenal awaiting full extent but 30yo expected to miss considerable spell. Partey also nursing (relatively minor) muscle issue so #AFC may look to recruit in midfield. With @gunnerblog @TheAthleticUK

Ouch, that is a must recruit then.


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Rich wrote:
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Mohamed Elneny suffered significant injury vs Fulham. Arsenal awaiting full extent but 30yo expected to miss considerable spell. Partey also nursing (relatively minor) muscle issue so #AFC may look to recruit in midfield. With @gunnerblog @TheAthleticUK

Ouch, that is a must recruit then.

Can’t rely on lokonga.

I can’t see any way a new midfielder won’t turn up. Could even be a loan if this is true,

Remortgage the emirates Edu and buy neves please.


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That is very bad news about Elneny, it means we have to spend now. Can't be scared of overpaying, just need to get it done.


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Post #517175  Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2022 10:21 am 
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Leicester just increased the price for Tielemans up to 70m. :laughing7:

No way can you get through such a long season with a World Cup bang in the middle with xhaka, lokonga and an injury prone Partey.

Funny but that injury had probably decided what the club need to do for them


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We probably needed a CM more than a winger anyway, but we really need both to have a realistic pop at 3rd or even closing the gap big time on the top 2.


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That is very bad news about Elneny, it means we have to spend now. Can't be scared of overpaying, just need to get it done.

And it has to be prioritised over a right winger - even though I'd like both. We have other players who can play right wing and although the solutions aren't always ideal or can leave us thin elsewhere they don't disrupt the overall shape and plan of the team.

The following players could all feasibly play right wing and not upset the other 4 attacking positions: Jesus, Nketiah, Martinelli, Vieira, Nelson, Marquinos.

If Partey is out and we decide we have to play Xhaka or Lokonga there I don't think we can play them as a lone 6, I think you have to play both and Ødegaard as a 10. Or you play one of them plus Zinchenko.

Overall for me it is the position that always seemed the weakness in our squad if anything went wrong


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Post #517178  Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2022 10:27 am 
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I’m the first person to admit that I am a footballing tactition’s rear end but why couldn’t Ben White be considered as a stand in for Partey? Surely he would be an upgrade on El Naney ( with no disrespect intended to him)? BW can tackle and pass, his reliability is assured and he can carry the ball and add a bit more momentum going forward. To me it’s a no brainer but to a footballing purist it’s probably a complete load of old b#*#cks


I said the same a while back. I think its worth a punt to see how he'd do there.



Then it appears we both know eff all.


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We probably needed a CM more than a winger anyway, but we really need both to have a realistic pop at 3rd or even closing the gap big time on the top 2.


As I said yesterday when I left the ground Saturday I thought to myself make no mistake we need a midfielder to come in. The arc of doom was kind of back and our distribution wasn’t progressive enough. Every time Partey gets injured it really affects our style of play. He’s almost a single point of failure

It will be interesting to see what the club do. Edu said they didn’t want to go back to the days of signing players out of desperation as they only want the right characters and top quality but a compromise might need to be made here.

Another interesting dilemma is that if it’s Tielemans then he’s not a natural replacement for Elneny anyway as he’s a Aaron Ramsey type not a 6 who prefers to sit and dog chase the ball. I suppose you can shuffle and move xhaka and partey around but it’s not an obvious replacement


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I said the same a while back. I think its worth a punt to see how he'd do there.



Then it appears we both know eff all.


Join the club. :laughing7:


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We probably needed a CM more than a winger anyway, but we really need both to have a realistic pop at 3rd or even closing the gap big time on the top 2.


As I said yesterday when I left the ground Saturday I thought to myself make no mistake we need a midfielder to come in. The arc of doom was kind of back and our distribution wasn’t progressive enough. Every time Partey gets injured it really affects our style of play. He’s almost a single point of failure

It will be interesting to see what the club do. Edu said they didn’t want to go back to the days of signing players out of desperation as they only want the right characters and top quality but a compromise might need to be made here.

Another interesting dilemma is that if it’s Tielemans then he’s not a natural replacement for Elneny anyway as he’s a Aaron Ramsey type not a 6 who prefers to sit and dog chase the ball. I suppose you can shuffle and move xhaka and partey around but it’s not an obvious replacement


Only one thing for it, splurge £150m on Declan Rice.

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Oh just imagine that, how awesome would that be

“Kroenke to sell Wyoming ranch to fund signing Declan Rice for 150 million !”

Hype would go into overdrive and our fans wouldnt be satisfied with anything less than the title. Several million shirts sold and Arsenal getting investigated for breaking financial fair play. The irony


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Mohamed Elneny suffered significant injury vs Fulham. Arsenal awaiting full extent but 30yo expected to miss considerable spell. Partey also nursing (relatively minor) muscle issue so #AFC may look to recruit in midfield. With @gunnerblog @TheAthleticUK

Just catching up on the posts. I didn’t see this one coming.

Now we are in deep do do’s.

Vieira?

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Mychajlo Mudryk. Everton had €30m verbal proposal turned down by Shakhtar Donetsk last week, Arsenal have asked for information on him - from Fabrizio Romano

Also saying Leicester are still asking for £35-40m for Tielemans. Of course Arsenal think this is far too much for a player with only 1 year left on his deal. If Tielemans really is the one we want I don’t think we’ll budge on our valuation and instead wait until January.

What’s your source for the Tielemans price? Do you mean Romano? When they will otherwise lose him for nothing next summer, why on Earth would they ask that?

Also, I cannot see how it makes sense to take into account how much time is left on a players contract. If we need a player we should get that player if the price is acceptable. Waiting until January to fill a potentially damaging hole could cost us a lot more that £10 or so million. Also, January transfer window is always very iffy.

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Then it appears we both know eff all.


Join the club. :laughing7:

But its not hard. Why can you lot never learn that whatever the problem, a 5'7 skilled midget who can play on both wings is always the solution?

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Mohamed Elneny suffered significant injury vs Fulham. Arsenal awaiting full extent but 30yo expected to miss considerable spell. Partey also nursing (relatively minor) muscle issue so #AFC may look to recruit in midfield. With @gunnerblog @TheAthleticUK

Just catching up on the posts. I didn’t see this one coming.

Now we are in deep do do’s.

Vieira?

To the unschooled, it does seem amazing that we didn't get a plausible Partey backup.

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I saw it being suggested that we only signed Fabio Vieira to keep Jorge Mendes happy.

It does seem weird that we would sign a player who plays in the same position as Ødegaard and Smith-Rowe when we really have other areas that would be a greater priority. The kids not going to get much of a look in, Smithers is barely getting minutes as it is.


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Elneny is meant to be a hamstring injury and Partey is supposedly out for 2 weeks (which could still be 4-5 games)


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I saw it being suggested that we only signed Fabio Vieira to keep Jorge Mendes happy.

It does seem weird that we would sign a player who plays in the same position as Ødegaard and Smith-Rowe when we really have other areas that would be a greater priority. The kids not going to get much of a look in, Smithers is barely getting minutes as it is.


Vieira reminds me of David Silva when he first arrived at City, quite slight but with a silky touch, superb vision and a great range of passing. I think he will end up being a great signing but may need time to adapt to the physicality of the PL.


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I saw it being suggested that we only signed Fabio Vieira to keep Jorge Mendes happy.

It does seem weird that we would sign a player who plays in the same position as Ødegaard and Smith-Rowe when we really have other areas that would be a greater priority. The kids not going to get much of a look in, Smithers is barely getting minutes as it is.

To keep Mendez happy? Sounds ridiculous enough to be true.

I no longer understand the transfer market.

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Looks like Partey will miss the United game.

It's crazy, he just misses too many games.


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I’m writing on my phone so please excuse any ytpos.
The potential silver lining to the Partey/El. Neney injuries is that they have occurred while the transfer window is still open. We would be feeling much worse if this happened on Friday morning.
Despite a great transfer window and start to the season, this team is still very much a work in progress. Despite our improvement we still are thin in our attack, midfield and right wing.


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Looks like Partey will miss the United game.

It's crazy, he just misses too many games.

Only played 58% of games for us and never more than 9 in a row.

You feel that our next big purchase will be his replacement


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Looks like Partey will miss the United game.

It's crazy, he just misses too many games.


Lokonga and xhaka combo at old Trafford. :36angers:

Xhaka will probably get himself sent off tomorrow night to compound the problems and put a cherry on the cake. Honestly that would be so typical


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So the options for the next few games are:

1.Bring in Lokonga as a direct Partey/Elneny replacement and change nothing else

2.Bring in Lokonga and move Xhaka back to play a double pivot midfield

3.Move Xhaka back as a direct Partey/Elneny replacement and bring a left sided 8 in, Zinchenko or even Lokonga played here in pre-season

1, gives the least upset to the balance of the side, especially if Zinchenko is fit to play his inverted left-back role to step inside to support Lokonga

2, is probably the safety first approach

3, moves too many parts around for me


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Looks like Partey will miss the United game.

It's crazy, he just misses too many games.


Lokonga and xhaka combo at old Trafford. :36angers:

Xhaka will probably get himself sent off tomorrow night to compound the problems and put a cherry on the cake. Honestly that would be so typical


You just know that Zinchenko will be rushed back tomorrow, make the original injury worse and be out for 2 months.


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If we need to shift focus to a defensive mid and presumably put more money here then I wonder whether a cut price move for Zaha for a flexible wide forward is an interesting but sensible move. The downside would be his age as he's 30 in a couple of months - but perhaps we occasionally need to make a transfer that doesn't have a 10 year plan attached to it. He has 1 year left on his deal, would jump at the chance to play for us, is still quick and a nightmare for defenders and knows the league well. Other than his age the main downside is that he's used to operating in a Palace team that play well on the counter and he has space to run in to, he'd have less of that with us but possibly play him as a touchline winger and switch play early to give him as many 1 v 1's as possible and it could work.


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What’s everyone’s thoughts on Richarlison showboating with keep ups in the game and then getting taken out by the Forrest player?

I’ve seen some say Richarlison should be booked for unsporting behaviour and seen others say don’t take the fun out of football.

I think it is disrespectful but not sure it deserves a yellow card, but if you’re going to do it then you need to expect that you’re going to get cleaned out by someone and have far less room to complain when that happens or if it leads to a serious injury.

I wouldn’t want any Arsenal players doing it

I completely disagree. He only bounced the ball three times and didn't waste any time. Where exactly would you draw the line?

And if someone decides to take the law into his own hands they should be punished accordingly. Borderline red card.

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So the options for the next few games are:

1.Bring in Lokonga as a direct Partey/Elneny replacement and change nothing else

2.Bring in Lokonga and move Xhaka back to play a double pivot midfield

3.Move Xhaka back as a direct Partey/Elneny replacement and bring a left sided 8 in, Zinchenko or even Lokonga played here in pre-season

1, gives the least upset to the balance of the side, especially if Zinchenko is fit to play his inverted left-back role to step inside to support Lokonga

2, is probably the safety first approach

3, moves too many parts around for me

But aren't we going to need Xhaka to play on the right wing when Saka gets injured?

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socrates wrote:
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Lokonga and xhaka combo at old Trafford. :36angers:

Xhaka will probably get himself sent off tomorrow night to compound the problems and put a cherry on the cake. Honestly that would be so typical


You just know that Zinchenko will be rushed back tomorrow, make the original injury worse and be out for 2 months.


I’m not sure. I think Rich was right and you will see some rotation and I expect he will save him for old Trafford

I would be surprised if Nketiah and Smithers don’t start tomorrow


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