One of the sad things is that the players were actually better and more motivated than the cup final, but City were more clinical going forwards and our team's confidence in the collective is GONE.

They don't believe in each other or the manager. I don't think its a lack of effort. I think its a lack of belief and conviction in both the team's quality and the tactical set up. Its so easy for teams to score against us, and we have to work our nuts off to score.

It currently seems incomprehensible that the manager will be here next year, even given Kroenke's love for him.

Disappointed it finished 3. Was hoping for 5 or 6 at half time.

Look at what we've become.

And I would have been considered one of the ‘akb’ until relatively recently. Even Richard Nixon would have jumped by now. All so sad.

You can't describe Aubameyang as a reject or crock. He came with a huge reputation in Europe, great scoring record and many big clubs have looked at him. We were all excited when he joined but Wenger has destroyed this club from the first team to the support.

Who will want to travel down to Brighton? It'll be freezing cold and another potential beting............

We cant beat clubs ahead of us in the table. Not even getting a draw we are losing to these sides, home and away a lot.
If, I imagine, Wenger has not been asked to come to Gazidis' office or face Stan's board to answer some questions then it tells me what the ownership of this club is really about. There isn't a side in the EPL or lower divisions, given our exact situation that wouldn't have called Wenger into the office for a chat on the direction and recent results and what he plans to do. To get reassurance.

Stan doesn't know and to some extent doesn't care. The revenue is what he's primarily concerned about. If he wins fine, if he doesn't but it's still profitable, then he can live with it. Does Josh feel the same way? Gazidis, I have to be guessing is upset about this. How much influence with Kroenke does he and the ones who really do care have with Stan?

I can't blame Wenger fully. He's acting according to type. This is Wenger. He is not the owner. He has a boss and that boss is letting him carry on with this. As I've always said, why is everyone upset at an employee whose actions are allowed by his boss? Blame the boss not the employee. The boss is the one who is to blame ultimately.

The fans, as a collective, are the biggest victims....and culprits. Paying the for the most expensive season ticket in the world. And a waiting list for season tickets to see this. Stan sees that. So, when Gazidis or others comes to him and says 'we need changes, we are not 6th and not looking like we will get any better' He will say, 'The fans are willing to pay to come see us. How do you explain the long waiting list for season tickets?'

What answer would you give? The only counter is over time it will dissipate and there will be the loss of the CL money over time.

Maybe he can live with that. He'll ask what are the cost to replace Wenger and can he find someone who can field a good team with the same budgetary mindset on transfers.

Bright side..

at least we don't have to put up with Sanchez over playing anymore. We've done really well since he went

AG, are you saying you will live with this malaise? You have no issues with Wenger's lack of tactical nous? You are no issues that we have declined to this level, and to stay there? You have no issue with a manager who keeps getting defensive when it is clear Arsenal is well past it? You have no issue with someone earning a very huge wage, but need not take ownership of results he is accountable for?

Indeed. We were better tonight but unfortunately, City upped their level and when they play like they did in the first half, they are simply too good for us. Our confidence is shot to pieces. Our lack of a defined game plan exacerbates the problem. We are just broken.

Spot on

I’d also add that I disagree with Rich when he said Wenger doesn’t want to quit his ‘vanity project’ as it’s not his vanity project anymore. Wenger bloody well knows he’s *%^@*** up big time and hurting the club. This damage isn’t caused by a blinded love. He’s *%^@*** up big style, knows it and doesn’t give a *%^@

AG, are you saying you will live with this malaise? You have no issues with Wenger's lack of tactical nous? You are no issues that we have declined to this level, and to stay there? You have no issue with a manager who keeps getting defensive when it is clear Arsenal is well past it? You have no issue with someone earning a very huge wage, but need not take ownership of results he is accountable for?

Clearly he's not getting a new contract but the question will be if he sees out his current one which would involve him staying another year.

I can't imagine what another season of this would be like but I would envisage shirt and ticket sales might go down a bit. I do wonder if we go out to Milan the club might announce his departure before the end of the season.

You proved nothing. A big fat zero. Bertie Mee was the manger who nearly got us relegated, and a big reason for that was him signing Mancini. So I couldn't give a toss if he tried to justify that signing by claiming otherwise.

I don't think its either a vanity project or not caring. I think it's more like an addiction. He just can't help himself and is sustained by the irrational belief that we are about to turn a corner. It's pitiful really. He should have been gently removed a decade ago.

Wonder why the posts I've quoted today when writing a post myself haven't come out in yellow?

Imagine if Brighton (hopefully ) beat us

They will need to start handing out complimentary horse tranquilisers at games soon.

Sky said we have lost more premiership games than any other team during 2018. This team is a corpse dead on the floor.

It is dramatic. The current constititution allows expropriate with fair compensation. This is reasonable enough. But the ANC has botched land redistribution badly through inaction and failing to support emerging farmers. Agriculture in SA remains dominated by whites to a ridiculous degree. Zuma also landed them in it with his 'radical economic transformation rhetoric'. It is empty rhetoric but it has opened them up to being outflanked on the Left, and Julius Malema has gleefully exploited this.

But not that dramatic. The international media and so-called financial experts like to invoke the 'Zimbabwe' bogey. But what is likely to happen is a carefully considered constitutional amendment that will allow for expropriation without compensation in very specific circumstances. I suspect that the ANC is alarmed and wants to contain radical and populist pressure. They are not at all interested in revolutionising the countryside. Neither is Malema, really.

I would personally fly to London and help Wenger pack and drive him to the airport risking life and limb because you lot refuse to drive on the right side of road [ ] if that's Stan told me personally to do that if it that's what it would take. I swear I would. But what's the point?

Wenger is mismanaging the side. Clearly. Who is allowing him to? That's the bigger issue. Writing about Wenger's lackings may be cathartic but it's an exercise in futility. I can't get him out. You can't. None of us on this forum can. Who can? And how do we get him to do it.

Pete on the beach is at least trying to do that and I give him a lot of respect for at least trying.

Forum heavyweights Oz Gaz and Pete on Brighton Beach say you are wrong ; as does David O ' Leary , Bertie Mee , and my good self .

End of story ...suck it up .

Wasn't too hard really that win .

Jack Kelsey was the best keeper in my time supporting the Arsenal

Not sure i count as a forum heavyweight , certainly not these days

Hey Gaz ... watching the V8's ....?

Wincup has just smacked the wall .... then travelled down the straight shedding wheels , suspension , body parts


...both my son and I dyed in the wool Ford men can't stop laughing , bit of karma for cheating McLaughlin last season .

Will take some effort to get that car ready for tomorrow ...... chassis is the key .

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Been out all day ..forgot about the City game ..see we lost 3 nil ..... did we compete , have a shot on target .

Wenger may be French but he seems like he grew up near enough to the German border in Alsace that he thinks like a German. He has that Prussian finality about him.