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Post #480281  Posted: Sun Mar 31, 2024 5:46 pm 
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A point at City? Yes please.

This team has more guts and determination than we've seen in years.

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Post #480282  Posted: Sun Mar 31, 2024 5:49 pm 
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57 straight games City had scored in at home, and I was absolutely confident in our defensive ability, yes Coty dominated the ball and territory but at no time were we under the coach or under pressure and at no time did we look like conceding. Kept them at arms length, sterile domination.


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There were no bookings, right? Credit to the referee. Another referee would have given out a handful at a minimum this game. He let them play but I can't say we didn't deserve at least one yellow card.

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Can't be sure if Foden was poor or we defended him well. I am relieved he wasn't his usual form.

Indeed. And our nemesis De Bruyne was marshalled brilliantly, couldn’t influence the game at all.

I’ll say it again, it’s THE best defensive performance of any team in any game in the league this season


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There were no bookings, right? Credit to the referee. Another referee would have given out a handful at a minimum this game. He let them play but I can't say we didn't deserve at least one yellow card.

Jesus and Raya carded for time wasting - but yes, very very good from the ref today. He didn’t have any big things to deal with and the players kept a lid on it for him too. He helped himself by not getting early yellow cards for minor infringements


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Also, psychologically it has to be a big boost that we held them scoreless home and away, and only one goal going back to the Charity Shield. People talk about our attack but the real revelation is our team defense. Other than Luton of all teams (4-3 win), no club has scored more than 2 in the league. No more than 1 in the league this season.

I've heard it said, had Saliba been healthy last season we'd have made it much closer if not win. I didn't put much merit in it at the time. I thought losing both him and Jesus was too much. But now there could be something to it where losing Saliba last spring was the biggest reason we didn't do better.

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Post #480287  Posted: Sun Mar 31, 2024 5:57 pm 
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Good point but it feels a good day for Liverpool

Not sure where that leaves us.

I think we are in decent shape in both competitions, particularly if Partey can get back to near his best.

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Post #480288  Posted: Sun Mar 31, 2024 6:00 pm 
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A point at City? Yes please.

This team has more guts and determination than we've seen in years.

8 points off City and Liverpool. I think I might have taken that at the beginning of the season.

We're a different beast this season.

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Anyone else agree that Rice and Ødegaard would both benefit if Rice was captain?


Both are leaders. No difference.


I believe Ødegaard is not calm enough as captain. Reminds me when Cesc was captain, I don't think it did him any favours.


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Anyone else agree that Rice and Ødegaard would both benefit if Rice was captain?


Both are leaders. No difference.


I believe Ødegaard is not calm enough as captain. Reminds me when Cesc was captain, I don't think it did him any favours.


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The interviewer in the manager's interview tried to get Pep to criticize how we were fouling. In his word 'to break up the game'. Credit to Pep he didn't take the bait. He said its not up to him regarding fouls. Tone and body language clearly says we should have been booked.

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danny wrote:

I believe Ødegaard is not calm enough as captain. Reminds me when Cesc was captain, I don't think it did him any favours.


Rice may in fact be a better captain overall, but if Arteta dares, it will definitely have negative repercussions. Ødegaard has more of a sense of urgency about him. Rice more calm. We know what kind of captain Rice can be seeing him at West Ham. Both are effective. Would Rice give us that wee bit of difference? That's an interesting question.

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danny wrote:

I believe Ødegaard is not calm enough as captain. Reminds me when Cesc was captain, I don't think it did him any favours.


Rice may in fact be a better captain overall, but if Arteta dares, it will definitely have negative repercussions. Ødegaard has more of a sense of urgency about him. Rice more calm. We know what kind of captain Rice can be seeing him at West Ham. Both are effective. Would Rice give us that wee bit of difference? That's an interesting question.


I'm not suggesting it's taken off Ødegaard this season but maybe just after he's signed a lengthy contract extension in the summer.


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Ladies have denied Chelsea a quadruple.


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Hey Danny, I hear ya. I wasn't suggesting now as well. But even in the summer. Playing devil's advocate. You're Arteta, what do you say to Ødegaard? Or should just say, it's his decision, he's the manager?

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It's going to be interesting going to Old Trafford and WHL for the win and a draw isn't good enough. Especially OT. Going to be interesting. I expect Man Utd to be more defensive than Tottenham. Tottenham will relish not allowing us a title if they can do it.

Herculean effort to get a win at both.

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danny wrote:
AmericanGooner wrote:

Rice may in fact be a better captain overall, but if Arteta dares, it will definitely have negative repercussions. Ødegaard has more of a sense of urgency about him. Rice more calm. We know what kind of captain Rice can be seeing him at West Ham. Both are effective. Would Rice give us that wee bit of difference? That's an interesting question.


I'm not suggesting it's taken off Ødegaard this season but maybe just after he's signed a lengthy contract extension in the summer.

Ødegaard has only just signed a contract extension in September ? If you moved the captaincy without question the player stripped of it would leave anyway. Any club in Europe right now would take a serious look at Martin. We wouldn’t be short of suitors.

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I'm not suggesting it's taken off Ødegaard this season but maybe just after he's signed a lengthy contract extension in the summer.

Ødegaard has only just signed a contract extension in September ? If you moved the captaincy without question the player stripped of it would leave anyway. Any club in Europe right now would take a serious look at Martin. We wouldn’t be short of suitors.

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As supporters we have some uncomfortable weeks ahead: we will have to cheer for Man U and Spurs on a number of occasions.

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Gaz from Oz wrote:
As supporters we have some uncomfortable weeks ahead: we will have to cheer for Man U and Spurs on a number of occasions.

If me wearing their shirt for 90 minutes meant they won their games v our rivals I’d happily do it - the greater good! I have no qualms vehemently cheering on any side of it meant it helped Arsenal in only a minute way.
Man U are poor so it looks like spurs will get champions league next season as I suspect 4th and 5th in the prem will get it. More than happy for spurs to win all but one of their remaining games if it helped us win the league….and I’d happily lose to spurs if you could guarantee we still won the league


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danny wrote:
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Rice may in fact be a better captain overall, but if Arteta dares, it will definitely have negative repercussions. Ødegaard has more of a sense of urgency about him. Rice more calm. We know what kind of captain Rice can be seeing him at West Ham. Both are effective. Would Rice give us that wee bit of difference? That's an interesting question.


I'm not suggesting it's taken off Ødegaard this season but maybe just after he's signed a lengthy contract extension in the summer.

I think Ødegaard is the most in tune with Arteta in the squad. Ødegaard orchestrated the press and the general play, he’s the one moving people in to positions, he’s Arteta’s brain on the pitch. Unless he seriously drops off in form he stays captain for as long as Arteta is here.
There were two moments today where Ødegaard was inches away from the perfect threaded through ball


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Also there’s no doubt in my mind that Haaland is not close to being the best striker in football. He comes alive in the box for sure but he’s general all round play is pretty average. Easier said than done but deny him space and mark him ridiculously tightly and aggressively and you can nullify him- takes a huge team effort. Gabriel is the marker and aggressor of our pair and he’s regularly giving the best strikers in the prem and Europe not a single sniff of a goal


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This Arsenal team has lots of steel :headbang:

City had an awesome forward line and we held them at bay without fear

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Rich wrote:
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As supporters we have some uncomfortable weeks ahead: we will have to cheer for Man U and Spurs on a number of occasions.

If me wearing their shirt for 90 minutes meant they won their games v our rivals I’d happily do it - the greater good! I have no qualms vehemently cheering on any side of it meant it helped Arsenal in only a minute way.
Man U are poor so it looks like spurs will get champions league next season as I suspect 4th and 5th in the prem will get it. More than happy for spurs to win all but one of their remaining games if it helped us win the league….and I’d happily lose to spurs if you could guarantee we still won the league

You are prepared to go to places I will not. I will barrack for them against City and Pool but that might be all.

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Rich wrote:
danny wrote:

I'm not suggesting it's taken off Ødegaard this season but maybe just after he's signed a lengthy contract extension in the summer.

I think Ødegaard is the most in tune with Arteta in the squad. Ødegaard orchestrated the press and the general play, he’s the one moving people in to positions, he’s Arteta’s brain on the pitch. Unless he seriously drops off in form he stays captain for as long as Arteta is here.
There were two moments today where Ødegaard was inches away from the perfect threaded through ball

The top managers really are like conductors getting the team to play in a way that expresses their personalities and football philosophies--Pep's precision (look at how he lambasted Grealish after the game), Klopp's 'heavy metal' style, and Arteta's intensity.

Not that Rice (or even someone like Gabriel) wouldn't be a brilliant captain. It is just that Ødegaard's personality and intelligence are exactly what we need. I think Ødegaard thrives with having that responsibility too.

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This Arsenal team has lots of steel :headbang:

City had an awesome forward line and we held them at bay without fear

It has to be said that City defended exceptionally well too. That high line was very well organised and on the odd occasions we got through, they were very quick to get back in numbers.

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Also there’s no doubt in my mind that Haaland is not close to being the best striker in football. He comes alive in the box for sure but he’s general all round play is pretty average. Easier said than done but deny him space and mark him ridiculously tightly and aggressively and you can nullify him- takes a huge team effort. Gabriel is the marker and aggressor of our pair and he’s regularly giving the best strikers in the prem and Europe not a single sniff of a goal

Gabriel is one of the contenders for Arsenal player of the season for me.

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Not wanting to jinx anything (not that I remotely believe in that anyway) but our rivals seem to be more consistently losing players to injuries whilst ours are coming back from injury.
defence was the area that City really can cope though, they have lots of defenders who can all play all across the back 4


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This Arsenal team has lots of steel :headbang:

City had an awesome forward line and we held them at bay without fear

It has to be said that City defended exceptionally well too. That high line was very well organised and on the odd occasions we got through, they were very quick to get back in numbers.


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Also there’s no doubt in my mind that Haaland is not close to being the best striker in football. He comes alive in the box for sure but he’s general all round play is pretty average. Easier said than done but deny him space and mark him ridiculously tightly and aggressively and you can nullify him- takes a huge team effort. Gabriel is the marker and aggressor of our pair and he’s regularly giving the best strikers in the prem and Europe not a single sniff of a goal

Gabriel is one of the contenders for Arsenal player of the season for me.

He’s been colossal and gets overlooked because Saliba is capable of explosive moments of defending that get more attention.

I really hope the suggestion he wanted to move doesn’t reappear this summer. Maybe offer him a new contract.


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If only we hadn’t dropped silly points v Fulham and hadn’t dropped the ball v spurs.

Think that will end up being the difference between winning and losing the title.


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If only we hadn’t dropped silly points v Fulham and hadn’t dropped the ball v spurs.

Think that will end up being the difference between winning and losing the title.

Yeah. It still feels like an outside chance only, not only because of those lost points, but also because I think we still may have that sort of turgid performance in us.

I'm hoping Partey can have a good run and that whatever is the matter with Saka can be sorted out.

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Decaf wrote:
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If only we hadn’t dropped silly points v Fulham and hadn’t dropped the ball v spurs.

Think that will end up being the difference between winning and losing the title.

Yeah. It still feels like an outside chance only, not only because of those lost points, but also because I think we still may have that sort of turgid performance in us.

I'm hoping Partey can have a good run and that whatever is the matter with Saka can be sorted out.


I think you might see Partey, Tommy and Zinchenko brought in for Luton.

I think we blew it before Christmas but I’m enjoying the season. Proud of the team.

I think we will drop points and if we beat Bayern we could have a mental fixture dilemma playing Chelsea, spurs and a champions league semi final in just 7 days. Not sure we have the quality to deal with that if I’m honest even with players coming back from injury.


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Also there’s no doubt in my mind that Haaland is not close to being the best striker in football. He comes alive in the box for sure but he’s general all round play is pretty average. Easier said than done but deny him space and mark him ridiculously tightly and aggressively and you can nullify him- takes a huge team effort. Gabriel is the marker and aggressor of our pair and he’s regularly giving the best strikers in the prem and Europe not a single sniff of a goal


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/20 ... roy-keane/

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On a cool spring afternoon thick with thwarted hopes, Gabriel and Saliba became the first centre-back partnership in the Premier League to restrict Haaland to zero shots on target twice in the same season. In fact, if you add in last summer’s Community Shield, they have managed it three times this campaign, across more than four hours of football. Roy Keane, frankly, had endured enough. “The level of his general play is so poor,” he said. “In front of goal, he’s the best in the world, but in his general play he’s almost like a League Two player. That’s the way I look at it. He has to improve his all-round game.”

Even by the standards of Keane’s acid tongue, it was scalding. Haaland, let us not forget, torched records for fun in his debut season, reaching 50 top-flight goals in 17 fewer games than any player since the Premier League’s inception. There is an argument that only the unending adoration of Lionel Messi, far from the game’s epicentre in Miami, prevented him from winning the Ballon d’Or. Is it truly legitimate for a former Manchester United captain to be denigrating him, a few months later, as some fourth-tier trundler?


Tis seldom our defence has received praise in recent years so it is good to see it for those who remember the vice like defences of the past and the 1-0 to the Arsenal.

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NYC is imposing a fee to go into midtown Manhattan. A congestion tax scheme of sorts. I seem to recall London doing something similar years ago, no?

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Yesterday's result and performance is on the cusp of a changing of the guard. We took 4 points off the champions. They've only scored 1 goal in the last 3 games we've had. City are a little scared of us. The last 2 times we played them we have severely limited them. No goals scored.

It's our defense it turns out for the turnaround.

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NYC is imposing a fee to go into midtown Manhattan. A congestion tax scheme of sorts. I seem to recall London doing something similar years ago, no?

https://www.tiktok.com/@abcworldnews/vi ... l9u4dVTyGo

As a reasonably frequent visitor to NYC I’m surprised this wasn’t introduced long ago. Traffic around mid town is mental.

As usual the problem with introducing a tax like this isn’t the idea by concept as it makes sense but the problem that no authority can resist the temptation of expanding the tax geographically or financially as they become dependant on the finances the tax provides.


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Akanji complaining about Arsenal supposedly tactically fouling….this was said by a City player with no hint of self awareness!

By the way. Anyone accusing us of no ambition in the game, we mustered 6 shots and 2 on target. At the game at the emirates City mustered 4 shots and 1 on target!

Absolutely ridiculous that the focus today is on Arsenal not being more ambitious rather than City not having the creativity to break us down.

At the end of the season if we don’t win the title some idiot will point to this game as one where Arsenal should have been more ambitious and gone for the win, some pundit will I assure you, a point away at City in a title race when you’ve already beaten them at home is a top result - if we don’t win it then look at West Ham at home for starters


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Rich wrote:
Akanji complaining about Arsenal supposedly tactically fouling….this was said by a City player with no hint of self awareness!

By the way. Anyone accusing us of no ambition in the game, we mustered 6 shots and 2 on target. At the game at the emirates City mustered 4 shots and 1 on target!

Absolutely ridiculous that the focus today is on Arsenal not being more ambitious rather than City not having the creativity to break us down.

At the end of the season if we don’t win the title some idiot will point to this game as one where Arsenal should have been more ambitious and gone for the win, some pundit will I assure you, a point away at City in a title race when you’ve already beaten them at home is a top result - if we don’t win it then look at West Ham at home for starters


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