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Post #472161  Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 4:38 pm 
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There is a funny interview with szczesney and fabianksi about their time at arsenal and the poor standard of gk coaching from Gerry Peyton. The two joke how his advice on facing hazard penalties was “hazard will try to put it to the other side than you dive”

To think we put up with this sub standard coaching for so long. Wenger stuck with far too many staff and players through loyalty, there was no requirement to improve or reach high standards. Still quite shocking to hear the stories when they come out that confirm what fans were concerned with for the last 10 years


The quotes are simply hysterical, it’s like a sketch from the fast show. When he said he shoots here and there but do whatever you want.

I vaguely recall that Peyton got the job ahead of a certain Mr David Seaman as Bob Wilson was at loggerheads at the club about it. Wenger hated employing successful ex players fearing their status and assessment could be a threat to him.

The amount of players who have been critical after he left is startling but nothing we didn’t know. The club was put in Cyro stasis whilst he hung around.


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There is a funny interview with szczesney and fabianksi about their time at arsenal and the poor standard of gk coaching from Gerry Peyton. The two joke how his advice on facing hazard penalties was “hazard will try to put it to the other side than you dive”

To think we put up with this sub standard coaching for so long. Wenger stuck with far too many staff and players through loyalty, there was no requirement to improve or reach high standards. Still quite shocking to hear the stories when they come out that confirm what fans were concerned with for the last 10 years


The quotes are simply hysterical, it’s like a sketch from the fast show. When he said he shoots here and there but do whatever you want.

I vaguely recall that Peyton got the job ahead of a certain Mr David Seaman as Bob Wilson was at loggerheads at the club about it. Wenger hated employing successful ex players fearing their status and assessment could be a threat to him.

The amount of players who have been critical after he left is startling but nothing we didn’t know. The club was put in Cyro stasis whilst he hung around.


We have been saying things of such for so long. Wenger had been holding the club back for to long.

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Post #472163  Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 6:27 pm 
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The story about Carl Jenkinson’s own goal is really funny


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Post #472164  Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 8:56 pm 
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Saw this today and it amazed me a bit.......In the Invincibles season, the line up of Lehmann, Lauren, Cole, Campbell, Toure, Gilberto, Vieira, Ljungberg, Pires, Bergkamp and Henry started just two games together.

That 11 rolls of the tongue and I was under the impression that it was such a fixed 11 and we had some good fortune with injuries and a settled side in that season


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Post #472165  Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:05 pm 
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Saw this today and it amazed me a bit.......In the Invincibles season, the line up of Lehmann, Lauren, Cole, Campbell, Toure, Gilberto, Vieira, Ljungberg, Pires, Bergkamp and Henry started just two games together.

That 11 rolls of the tongue and I was under the impression that it was such a fixed 11 and we had some good fortune with injuries and a settled side in that season

So looking at those names & then looking at Walcott, Wilshire & Ramsay and please explain how Wenger thought in his mind they were worthy of being regulars. In fact most of them were undroppable. Not sure how it all went wrong. Did he stop having the ability to identify talent.

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Post #472166  Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:26 pm 
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Really interested to see how the youngsters get on tomorrow. Every attacking position will be a youth team player. Nketiah sure to start up front.


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Post #472167  Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:28 pm 
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Saw this today and it amazed me a bit.......In the Invincibles season, the line up of Lehmann, Lauren, Cole, Campbell, Toure, Gilberto, Vieira, Ljungberg, Pires, Bergkamp and Henry started just two games together.

That 11 rolls of the tongue and I was under the impression that it was such a fixed 11 and we had some good fortune with injuries and a settled side in that season

So looking at those names & then looking at Walcott, Wilshire & Ramsay and please explain how Wenger thought in his mind they were worthy of being regulars. In fact most of them were undroppable. Not sure how it all went wrong. Did he stop having the ability to identify talent.

Don’t thinkwenger stopped being able to spot talent per say but his problem was believing he could pull of the same trick of turning young nobodies in to world beaters. He had infinite loyalty to them because admitting they weren’t going to make it or weren’t good enough would be an admission that he was wrong


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Ramsey and Wilshere were fantastic young prospects. They were performing at a very high level as teenagers. Arsenal had a meagre budget at the time and Wenger decided to try and build a team essentially from kids with a few additions. By 07/08 he had dismantled a truly magnificent side and with very little money, replaced it with with an exciting young team that went very close to the title but had a terrible run of luck and were competing against the two best teams in Europe at the time.

The addition of Ramsey and Wilshere to that 08 team seemed perfectly sensible at the time. Unfortunately, injuries hampered Ramsey's career and wrecked Wilshere. I find the constant deriding of Ramsey really odd. 10 years at the club and scored winning goals in 2 FA Cup finals.

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I like it that Emery is bringing a young squad for the Europa match. Good practical approach. Hope the young lads could keep the unbeaten run going. More importantly, looking forward to the main squad beat Spurs on Sunday.

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Post #472170  Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 6:08 pm 
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1-0 smith-Rowe


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Hmm. Very soft penalty for us, ‘won’ and converted by Ramsey. I’d be gutted if that was given against us. Looked like obstruction at worst. Do refs ever give indirect free kicks in the area now?

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Post #472172  Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 6:25 pm 
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Tidy penalty by Ramsey, a comfortable 2-0


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Post #472173  Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 6:38 pm 
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Nice. Willock passes it into the net neatly for 3-0

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Post #472174  Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 6:39 pm 
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Willock! The youngsters giving a good account of themselves.


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Post #472175  Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 6:39 pm 
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3-0 tidy finish by Willock


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Woo Hoo. Smith-Rowe again. Into an empty net.

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Weird. About a minute later it was disallowed. Not clear why.

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Medley and Saka on for Holding and Ramsey, great experience for them with us in total control.

And now Charlie Gilmour for Guendouzi for the last 15.


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18 unbeaten. Professional job done. Now for Spurs.


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Medley and Saka on for Holding and Ramsey, great experience for them with us in total control.

And now Charlie Gilmour for Guendouzi for the last 15.

I thought Medley did very well. Look, after half an hour or so against a team that Barnet would provide toughish opposition for is not the time to declare he's the next Franz Beckenbauer. But I was pleased for him.


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Only saw the first half, encouraging display from a young team away in Europe. No matter if this was poor opposition, it was still European football against an experienced team.

Really interested to see the development of Willock. Whenever I’d seen him before I’d always thought he was a bit lightweight and not quite ready - he just looks so much more confident.


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Really interested to see the development of Willock. Whenever I’d seen him before I’d always thought he was a bit lightweight and not quite ready - he just looks so much more confident.

Agree about Willock. He was so much better than I've seen him before.


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Only had some highlights to watch but That was a good performance. Now the other players have had a rest they had better perform on the weekend. No poor first half .

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GUNNED DOWN Arsenal verdict:
Emile Smith Rowe and Joe Willock prove why Gunners haven’t offered Aaron Ramsey a new deal


https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football ... ock-shine/


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Good flowing and energetic play by the Young Guns. Very encouraging. Willow's goal was very well taken. There was a TH14 type of coolness in it. The confidence of these youngsters was very good. Ramsey did very well too.

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Although I'm yet to be fully convinced by Smith Rowe, for me the youngster who looked a little over-rated (by some) was Eddie Nketiah. I'm not writing him off, but have doubts he'll make it with us. As I suppose I do about a few of them.


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Read this

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https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football ... ve-kitson/


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Bernard wrote:
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Really interested to see the development of Willock. Whenever I’d seen him before I’d always thought he was a bit lightweight and not quite ready - he just looks so much more confident.

Agree about Willock. He was so much better than I've seen him before.

I think he’s stepped up for the U23’s this season and has a lot of people saying he’s a different player this season.
No idea whether he will make it with us but he seems to have got to a point physically and in his confidence where he feels he is ready to play men’s football at a very good level.
AMN and Nelson appear good enough for the first team squad, if we can pick up another 2 for the first team from the youth team that will be incredible. It is also important to keep the value of these players up because there should be no reason why these lads can’t generate £5-10m each of we decide to sell them


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Good comfortable win. I'm still not convinced of Mhyki...I know I'm in the minority. I think our youth will do better if given a run of matches.

I was up all night worrying about turncoat Sanchez being injured.

NLD. Glad we are at home. Not that I believe it will be easy. I'm thinking scoring draw. A win will raise us a up a level. We haven't beaten a team above us yet. We need some belief to get us thinking we can compete with anyone on the pitch.

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Non of that surprised me at all, it doesn’t surprise me that it is Kitson of all the stoke players who is the one who has spoken out. He’s heavily rumoured to be the author of the secret footballer books and if you’ve read any of them you can see Kitson/the secret footballer is more of a thinker than your average footballer


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Fair play to Kitson for getting this out their. I always felt Pulis was a cave man.

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For a team like Stoke, especially against a Wenger team, being physical and direct was a good tactic. However if everything Kitson says is true then Pulis went too far. Sadly Ramsey's leg paid the price.


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I was up all night worrying about turncoat Sanchez being injured.

Really. Worried about what? And up all night worrying?
The smell of bs is overwhelming.


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I was up all night worrying about turncoat Sanchez being injured.

Really. Worried about what? And up all night worrying?
The smell of bs is overwhelming.

I was a bit surprised when he said he knew he was in a minority not rating Mkhitaryan, or words to that effect. How does he know when he's blocked so many members? I can only recall recent defensive posts about Mkhitarayan from you and Hazuki. The two of you isn't a majority.


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Time for the biggest one Emery will need to win for the fans.

Time for Özil to shine and show why he can turn it on. Mkhitaryan should start and be taken off at half-time if he cannot even dribble past the defence. Aubameyang MUST start to turn on his style. He can instill fear into the defence if he believes more in himself. I feel he is doubting himself.

The team sort of sorts itself out for the starting 11. We do not have any stand-out star to rely on. Emery should be able to get the team to be bigger than the sum of the individual parts.

And please, please, please, let Leno remain in goal. I think he gives more confidence to the defence.

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Bernard wrote:
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Really. Worried about what? And up all night worrying?
The smell of bs is overwhelming.

I was a bit surprised when he said he knew he was in a minority not rating Mkhitaryan, or words to that effect. How does he know when he's blocked so many members? I can only recall recent defensive posts about Mkhitarayan from you and Hazuki. The two of you isn't a majority.

I agree. Based on what I've read the majority view is that Mkhitaryan isn't good enough as a first choice player.


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Kroenke was awarded the L.A. franchise under the proviso he will make every effort to build a championship team.
They are currently 10-1. So we know Stan can do it. The question is why he didn't/ doesn't do that with us. Emery is a good start but we still don't have enough money in my estimation.

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Spurs next but after watching Man U the past few games there is no reason why we can’t go there and win.
Wenger’s teams of the last 10 years no matter the form or players always went in to their shell at old Trafford and Anfield. Emery simply has to get the team to play positively and take the game to Man U because they are so fragile


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Bernard wrote:
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Really. Worried about what? And up all night worrying?
The smell of bs is overwhelming.

I was a bit surprised when he said he knew he was in a minority not rating Mkhitaryan, or words to that effect. How does he know when he's blocked so many members? I can only recall recent defensive posts about Mkhitarayan from you and Hazuki. The two of you isn't a majority.

I propose that the forum setup is changed so that any member can block a max of two others. Those who don't like robust engagement can exercise the exit option, and the mods are very good at handling those who cross the line.

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I've always thought the team's issues were more belief/mental strength than talent. Wenger's record against Mourinho even when Mourinho was managing squads that weren't playing well was woeful. But that's the past. This current incarnation of The Arsenal is not 'there yet' but definitely better mentally than they were prior years.

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