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Okay, we've got a win under our belts. The only game that Arteta can get away with a draw right now is the NLD. He has to win this game.

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This is a long but good read. It is a Liverpool fans take on the toxic Twitter fan. Written about Liverpool but could apply to any club, especially a big club.


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I read a take about Aubameyang and having fans back in the stadium. The theory is that Aubameyang is a showman and will thrive more with the fans to please. It pointed to his cars and clothes etc to highlight this personality trait.
Of course it ignores how brilliant Aubameyang was in that fa cup run behind closed doors but it does make some sense.

We’ll certainly see a swing back to much more normal home/away results this season compared to last where I think there ended up being more away wins than home


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This season there will be constant comparisons between Tomiyasu and Emerson Royal at spurs. Both clubs were linked with both players and apparently Arteta forced through Tomiyasu ahead of Royal because he considered him a better bit for the system.
Total is far more attack minded but weaker defensively, zaha buried him at the weekend. Let’s hope Arteta got this one right


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It was a tough tackle....reminds me of Hackney Marshes circa 1968 and should have drawn a yellow.....but......Richarlison is a tosser and had got them riled up with a late challenge on Mee earlier ....this was afters from Tarkowski....my logic is faulty though....it shouldn't count who the recipient is....tosser or not its a bad tackle...

What we have to look forward to I guess

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But was it softer than Xhaka's same ref worse tackle imo and not even a yellow card?

Surely has to be perceived bias, if not too late,we should appeal, even though I don't think he should be in our current team atm.


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Just discovered 'Professor T'. It's a theme that is repeated often (Endeavour, etc.) and these types of crime dramas seem to be trying to repeat the stoic, socially awkward, Sherlock Holmes. The protagonists are stereotypical British: aloof, cold, oxford English, etc.

The character seems to be a slightly exaggerated depiction of what I envision a forum member or two on here to be like. :42laughter:

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I read a take about Aubameyang and having fans back in the stadium. The theory is that Aubameyang is a showman and will thrive more with the fans to please. It pointed to his cars and clothes etc to highlight this personality trait.
Of course it ignores how brilliant Aubameyang was in that fa cup run behind closed doors but it does make some sense.

We’ll certainly see a swing back to much more normal home/away results this season compared to last where I think there ended up being more away wins than home


Just a guess, but I think once we start getting better service to players like Aubameyang who are in good positions in the 18 yard box, instinct will kick in and he and others will score more. Pépé can be lethal like Willian was at Chelsea or a bit closer to how Reyes and Eduardo was for us in time.

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Yeah, I'm trolling...lol...I was >>>this close<<< to makkng it my avatar. :42laughter:

What is it?

Edit: I see now. It’s Los Angeles Rams.

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It was a tough tackle....reminds me of Hackney Marshes circa 1968 and should have drawn a yellow.....but......Richarlison is a tosser and had got them riled up with a late challenge on Mee earlier ....this was afters from Tarkowski....my logic is faulty though....it shouldn't count who the recipient is....tosser or not its a bad tackle...

What we have to look forward to I guess

Oh now 1:1


But was it softer than Xhaka's same ref worse tackle imo and not even a yellow card?

Surely has to be perceived bias, if not too late,we should appeal, even though I don't think he should be in our current team atm.

https://twitter.com/alleymatty/status/1 ... 90753?s=21

Are you talking about this tackle? For me it is a clear yellow card, Xhaka’s was worse because it would be deemed Xhaka was less in control as he jumped in more two footed. But the way refs are officiating games this season is dangerous and you just know that we’ll be punished where others aren’t and opponents will be allowed to kick lumps out of us. Expect it next weekend away to Burnley where the ref will play on the emotion of the crowd.


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I would like to hear the ref after the Everton match explain why he deemed that challenge by Tarkowski not worthy of a foul or a yellow card.


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Rich wrote:
But the way refs are officiating games this season is dangerous and you just know that we’ll be punished where others aren’t and opponents will be allowed to kick lumps out of us. Expect it next weekend away to Burnley where the ref will play on the emotion of the crowd.

Hi Rich. I think the only thing guaranteed is that you will perceive Arsenal as being treated unfairly by referees. To be honest, I have a lot of respect for many of your opinions on the club, even though I don’t think they’re all correct.

But I’ve long felt you ‘lose it’ with referees in Arsenal’s games to the extent that I think it’s verging on a persecution complex. That’s why, although I didn’t comment myself, I was comfortable in seeing Gunfire (in a more forceful way) and bromley (in a far more gentle manner) point out that you were going so far over the top about a refereeing performance in a recent Arsenal game that it was almost ridiculous. Of course you’re not the only one. But you are surely the most extreme example here, at least since lomekian has moved on.

I didn’t watch a single second of the Everton Burnley game (there was more chance of me watching an episode of either Coronation Street or Eastenders than that game simply because it lasts much less time). They’re two clubs I have neither any real affinity or dislike for so I couldn’t give a damn about the result. But I found the comments about the tackle, without seeing it, more likely to be fair and rational (because it didn’t involve Arsenal) than I bet you’d have found on an Everton or Burnley forum.

I simply don’t think the internet chat rooms of teams playing a match are the place to go for unbiased or reasonable thoughts on a referee’s performance. For example I’d think you’d be immeasurably more likely to find sensible remarks on the referee in a North London derby on a Newcastle chat room than you would on either an Arsenal or Tottenham forum.


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I didn’t watch a single second of the Everton Burnley game (there was more chance of me watching an episode of either Coronation Street or Eastenders than that game simply because it lasts much less time).


Are these the only two ways you can envisage spending your time?

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I've found myself not knowing nor caring about the CL. I didn't even know they were playing. I have completely zoned out. I don't even think I watched the final last time. Sour grapes that we aren't in it? Maybe. Football itself is not worth watching as it once was? Perhaps a little. All I know is my interest has waned.

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I've found myself not knowing nor caring about the CL. I didn't even know they were playing. I have completely zoned out. I don't even think I watched the final last time. Sour grapes that we aren't in it? Maybe. Football itself is not worth watching as it once was? Perhaps a little. All I know is my interest has waned.


No, must be really different from 5 minutes ago.

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Young Boys in CL group stage have beaten ManU 2-1. :angel4:

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Just discovered 'Professor T'….


Try and find, and watch, the original version. Belgian production; way more entertaining than the watered down “English” remake. It aired over here as part of the Walter Presents series on All 4 channel.

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Young Boys in CL group stage have beaten ManU 2-1. :angel4:

But don’t Man Utd now have this superstar that the English press are fawning all over like he is the messiah. How can this be so.

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Talking of obscure channels I caught the Big Match Revisited this afternoon featuring a workmanlike game between Arsenal and Stoke from 1975. Title chasing Stoke earning a point at relegation threatened Arsenal. The pitch was a picture. Interesting part of the programme was an interview with Charlie George, out injured, openly telling Brian Moore he was desperate to get out of the Club. Candid would be an understatement.

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Wilshere responds to Arteta's Arsenal offer as free agent midfielder seeks new club

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Parkerknoll Gooner wrote:
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Just discovered 'Professor T'….


Try and find, and watch, the original version. Belgian production; way more entertaining than the watered down “English” remake. It aired over here as part of the Walter Presents series on All 4 channel.


Really? Thanks, I'll look for it.

I really enjoyed 'Luther' from several years ago. I wish they would have made more.

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The documemtary about us would still be fascinating if it stopped here. So much has happened. I am hoping the behind the scenes reasons for things will be explained. Among which is Saliba.

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Gaz from Oz wrote:
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Young Boys in CL group stage have beaten ManU 2-1. :angel4:

But don’t Man Utd now have this superstar that the English press are fawning all over like he is the messiah. How can this be so.

They do indeed. The said superstar was subbed off 2nd half for Lingard, who made an error and so Swissers scored their 2nd goal in extra time. Oh well. :laughing7:

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But don’t Man Utd now have this superstar that the English press are fawning all over like he is the messiah. How can this be so.

They do indeed. The said superstar was subbed off 2nd half for Lingard, who made an error and so Swissers scored their 2nd goal in extra time. Oh well. :laughing7:

Oh no. Tell me it isn’t true. The sky sports mob and talkSPORT will need some counseling after this. Pandemic a crisis: no this is a real crisis. How can we all help them.

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Norm Macdonald, comedian and 'Saturday Night Live' alum, dies at 61

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Suggestions that the only way Saliba will ever play for Arsenal is if Arteta goes. Whatever the quality or rationale for the article, I’ve been thinking the same for some while so can believe it. If Arsenal improve and Arteta stays, I wonder if at £27m Saliba will be the most expensive signing in football to have never played a competitive game for that club?

I know Arsenal signed Clive Allen for £1.25m and he was swapped for Kenny Sansom two months later before he ever played a competitive game for the club. I guess in football’s transfer market £1.25m in 1980 may well be worth more than £27m in 2019 (when Saliba joined). But Allen was only with us a a couple of months one summer, whereas Saliba if he goes next summer will have been with the club three years without playing.

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It's my understanding that Israeli clubs play in UEFA because of long standing religiouis/political differences between them and the Arab/Moslem countries in the Middle East.

Now that relations are pretty much normaized with these countries (Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, UAE, and I was in the Dubai airport December last year and it was amazing, exciting and surreal seeing Israelis there). I wonder out loud if these clubs will stay in UEFA or join the Asian Champions League in the future? Their chances of doing better are greater in that competition.

It would be historic if they played each other.

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They do indeed. The said superstar was subbed off 2nd half for Lingard, who made an error and so Swissers scored their 2nd goal in extra time. Oh well. :laughing7:

Oh no. Tell me it isn’t true. The sky sports mob and talkSPORT will need some counseling after this. Pandemic a crisis: no this is a real crisis. How can we all help them.


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Wilshere responds to Arteta's Arsenal offer as free agent midfielder seeks new club

https://www.goal.com/en-au/news/wilsher ... r6gyau5vll


At the right wage I don't see why not.

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But the way refs are officiating games this season is dangerous and you just know that we’ll be punished where others aren’t and opponents will be allowed to kick lumps out of us. Expect it next weekend away to Burnley where the ref will play on the emotion of the crowd.

Hi Rich. I think the only thing guaranteed is that you will perceive Arsenal as being treated unfairly by referees. To be honest, I have a lot of respect for many of your opinions on the club, even though I don’t think they’re all correct.

But I’ve long felt you ‘lose it’ with referees in Arsenal’s games to the extent that I think it’s verging on a persecution complex. That’s why, although I didn’t comment myself, I was comfortable in seeing Gunfire (in a more forceful way) and bromley (in a far more gentle manner) point out that you were going so far over the top about a refereeing performance in a recent Arsenal game that it was almost ridiculous. Of course you’re not the only one. But you are surely the most extreme example here, at least since lomekian has moved on.

Hi Bernard, I can happily admit that it would be incredibly difficult for me to be completely unbiased when talking about refs in Arsenal games, or generally anything about Arsenal because I (we) are emotionally invested in the game. I'd also admit that some of the in game stuff will come from a single view so can appreciate the tough job that refs have. However, I watch a lot of non-Arsenal football in the premier league and do see things in other games that I believe show a) the level of refereeing in this country is woeful including a shocking lack of consistency and b) I think there are things some players and some teams 'get away' with that we don't. That doesn't just apply to Arsenal. I think Xhaka and Luiz were often treated on reputation. Equally I think a player like Harry Kane (england captain) is given much more of a free ride by refs than other players putting in the same tackles or dark arts. It isn't conscious bias from refs, I honestly don't think they go in to games thinking I'd like to send off X today or I'd like X team to win, but there would be a huge number of subconscious things that build up.


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https://www.goal.com/en-au/news/wilsher ... r6gyau5vll


At the right wage I don't see why not.

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Over the years there are statistics that show teams involved in European games collect fewer points on average in the league game immediately following a European match than their normal average points.
This is the first year without European football for 25 years for us. We have to turn in it in to an advantage for our league form. I see Burnley away as a must win.
Top 4 is probably beyond us this year with the strength of the top 4 but with Leicester, Spurs and West Ham all having European football we need to take advantage.


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At the right wage I don't see why not.

Pay per play only.


You must be joking and off your heads,

it’s a tragedy because he was great once but his career has been ruined by injury and he struggled at Bournemouth and was released and that’s the 2nd time that’s happened because it also happened at West Ham. It would be total nostalgia and after one failed game Arteta would be getting dogs abuse and getting called clueless for doing it.

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Rich wrote:
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Hi Rich. I think the only thing guaranteed is that you will perceive Arsenal as being treated unfairly by referees. To be honest, I have a lot of respect for many of your opinions on the club, even though I don’t think they’re all correct.

But I’ve long felt you ‘lose it’ with referees in Arsenal’s games to the extent that I think it’s verging on a persecution complex. That’s why, although I didn’t comment myself, I was comfortable in seeing Gunfire (in a more forceful way) and bromley (in a far more gentle manner) point out that you were going so far over the top about a refereeing performance in a recent Arsenal game that it was almost ridiculous. Of course you’re not the only one. But you are surely the most extreme example here, at least since lomekian has moved on.

Hi Bernard, I can happily admit that it would be incredibly difficult for me to be completely unbiased when talking about refs in Arsenal games, or generally anything about Arsenal because I (we) are emotionally invested in the game. I'd also admit that some of the in game stuff will come from a single view so can appreciate the tough job that refs have. However, I watch a lot of non-Arsenal football in the premier league and do see things in other games that I believe show a) the level of refereeing in this country is woeful including a shocking lack of consistency and b) I think there are things some players and some teams 'get away' with that we don't. That doesn't just apply to Arsenal. I think Xhaka and Luiz were often treated on reputation. Equally I think a player like Harry Kane (england captain) is given much more of a free ride by refs than other players putting in the same tackles or dark arts. It isn't conscious bias from refs, I honestly don't think they go in to games thinking I'd like to send off X today or I'd like X team to win, but there would be a huge number of subconscious things that build up.

I think you are right. We still have that 'fancy dan foreigner diver' aura and players like Kane are mentally associated with the sturdy steak and kidney pudding-fed honest english yeoman stereotype.

No doubt that it influence refs subconsciously and there needs to be a more active policy to stamp it out.

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You must be joking and off your heads,

it’s a tragedy because he was great once but his career has been ruined by injury and he struggled at Bournemouth and was released and that’s the 2nd time that’s happened because it also happened at West Ham. It would be total nostalgia and after one failed game Arteta would be getting dogs abuse and getting called clueless for doing it.

Jack unfortunately needs to see out a few years at a lower level club then Seek a career in coaching or sit back on the several millions he made from the game and retire.

It does seem like a really bizarre idea.

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Hi Bernard, I can happily admit that it would be incredibly difficult for me to be completely unbiased when talking about refs in Arsenal games, or generally anything about Arsenal because I (we) are emotionally invested in the game. I'd also admit that some of the in game stuff will come from a single view so can appreciate the tough job that refs have. However, I watch a lot of non-Arsenal football in the premier league and do see things in other games that I believe show a) the level of refereeing in this country is woeful including a shocking lack of consistency and b) I think there are things some players and some teams 'get away' with that we don't. That doesn't just apply to Arsenal. I think Xhaka and Luiz were often treated on reputation. Equally I think a player like Harry Kane (england captain) is given much more of a free ride by refs than other players putting in the same tackles or dark arts. It isn't conscious bias from refs, I honestly don't think they go in to games thinking I'd like to send off X today or I'd like X team to win, but there would be a huge number of subconscious things that build up.

I think you are right. We still have that 'fancy dan foreigner diver' aura and players like Kane are mentally associated with the sturdy steak and kidney pudding-fed honest english yeoman stereotype.

Yes, that's where we might get some return on the English player premium we've paid for Ramsdale and White. If they don't each get at least one dodgy game-changing decision in their favour this season, I'll be fuming.

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I think you are right. We still have that 'fancy dan foreigner diver' aura and players like Kane are mentally associated with the sturdy steak and kidney pudding-fed honest english yeoman stereotype.

Yes, that's where we might get some return on the English player premium we've paid for Ramsdale and White. If they don't each get at least one dodgy game-changing decision in their favour this season, I'll be fuming.

Germans and Norwegian probably aren't quite as suspect as Mediterranian types in the popular imagination.

Still Ramsdale does look to be an upgrade on Leno on that score. He certainly does look and sound the part. One could easily imagine him sheering sheep on a wild moor somewhere with a pipe clenched between his teeth.

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It’s ok folks the editor of the gooner knows Wilshere personally so we should obviously sign him and blame Arteta when it goes wrong or blame him for not signing him anyway


Gooner editor Layth Yousif knows Jack Wilshere personally - read on for why the former Gunners return to Arsenal would be a great idea



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Saw a discussion online about Arsenal's best 11 post Invincibles.

Not quite decided what mine would be but to throw a few names out that would have to be in it:
RvP, Fabregas, Cazorla, Sanchez, Koscielny, Sagna

Not sure many of the current team get in (2 8th place finishes and all) but in time some might have a chance


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Rich wrote:
Saw a discussion online about Arsenal's best 11 post Invincibles.

Not quite decided what mine would be but to throw a few names out that would have to be in it:
RvP, Fabregas, Cazorla, Sanchez, Koscielny, Sagna

Not sure many of the current team get in (2 8th place finishes and all) but in time some might have a chance


For me, perhaps I'd include Gallas until he imploded after the Eduardo injury. Technically, one could include Henry. Reyes was around in 2007, is that post invincibles? Not sure the criteria for 'post Invincibles'? Strictly after 2004 or after the members were gone (which would not be Fabregas).
Gotta put Ramsey on there for me. Nasri, the effen sellout. Vermaelen possibly. Özil. Čech. Aubameyang is as close to Henry as we've come.

Arshavin didn't do enough and Clichy only did it consistently once he left us, another sell out. I feel badly for leaving Walcott off....hmmm...very tough decision either way.

In time, Tierney and Saka will be on the list as well as I think Gabriel and Martinelli. But still a wee bit too early.

Finally, obviously Mustafi is my captain.

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Rich wrote:
Saw a discussion online about Arsenal's best 11 post Invincibles.

Not quite decided what mine would be but to throw a few names out that would have to be in it:
RvP, Fabregas, Cazorla, Sanchez, Koscielny, Sagna

Not sure many of the current team get in (2 8th place finishes and all) but in time some might have a chance

Fabregas made his debut in 2003 so surely can’t be counted as a post-invincible? For the same reason you can’t count Clichy as the left back. Tierney must be the left back.

I don’t think Koscielny can be in it without Mertesacker alongside him. Koscielny was quite ordinary (not that bad but certainly not great) before Per joined and was even worse after Mertesacker retired. I still see him as having much to do with the Baku nightmare without Per beside him. Together they covered each other’s shortcomings so the central defence has to be Mertesacker and Koscielny in my view. As a partnership they were exceptional.

Have we had a better keeper since 2004 than Leno? If we have he’s slipped my mind. Szczesny was good but I’d still have Leno.


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