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Post #409281  Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2023 4:09 pm 
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Haaland moved to City last year for 60m euros - about £50m. I thought at the time that was way too cheap for the most exciting attacking talent in a generation. Anyone else think that whole deal was a bit whiffy? For context, Kai Havertz cost £71m the year before.

Given City's propensity for shady deals, there's a strong suspicion they owned Haaland from the start and that he was just 'parked' at Borussia Dortmund for a year. At £50m you'd expect a bidding war but there was nothing.


Apparently they are paying him 1M quid a week after bonuses so the transfer fee was only part of the story.

I think with his father being ex City it was par for the course he was always going to end up there plus I doubt there would be another European side paying him those wages which is on par with any top player in Europe except for mbappe

It was a buy-out clause that was triggered. Plenty of teams in europe could have afforded the buy-out clause and would have happily paid it, but Haaland obviously has a say in where he goes and there was the wages the agents fees the father fees.....£50m might be the transfer fee but the add ons etc take it significantly higher and out of the reach of most teams


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Post #409282  Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2023 4:53 pm 
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Have to say 88m quid for Bellingham seems a relative bargain for Madrid if Rice will cost 100m and grealish costs 100 too*


*in the utterly ludicrous financial world of football


Yeah, have to admit when I saw £88M (plus all the add ons) I involuntarily said “is that it!!??” as if nearly £90M is some kind of pittance. But relatively it really is. If he was going to a premier league club I get the strong feeling Dortmund would be asking for much more. But yeah, I reckon it sets a helpful benchmark for Rice. You’d hope.

Interesting with Bellingham and all the talk of his carefully managed career he’s gone straight for the final destination, which tbf he looks very much ready for. Like the 15yr old Ødegaard doing the full tour of every club in Europe and then I rolled my eyes as he chose Real Madrid. Thought he should have gone to Ajax at the time. I wonder where Ødegaard would be now if he’d chosen a club like Dortmund. Turning out alright for him safe to say!!


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Post #409283  Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2023 5:26 pm 
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Far from it.

Pelé played in the US at a similar age to messi. So did George best. Even Freddie did it.

Don Revie managed in the UAE

The Saudi thing is new but it was only a matter of time until somebody took their crazy money and ronaldo triggered it really.

If like soc suggested players in their prime start moving to these places that would be a shock but I can’t see millionaire football kids in their 20s wanting to move to Saudi in their prime.

Yes it has been done before, but no one who is seen as a proper global superstar has been moving to these sorts of leagues for ages. A lot went to China but none of them were on the levels of the players now moving to these sorts of leagues.


Beckham went to the US when he was 31, Henry also. Colin bell, Rodney marsh, Rooney. The truth is this isn’t a new thing these places are the last cheque they get out of their careers the Saudis are just offering bigger ones at the moment and the main common theme ? They are all the wrong side of 30 and clearly on the wane. For benzema it’s last chance saloon to cash in on his reputation and others too. Ronaldo I mean sorry but we’ll past it (plus it was being suggested he wants to leave now anyway )

I just don’t see many Bellinghams, mbappe or Rices moving to those leagues any time soon. There’s also social and economic reasons they won’t go in their 20s.


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Post #409284  Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2023 9:30 pm 
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Well done The Irons. Bowen - what a fine pro - a semi dead leg and he wins the game. Nice reward for Moyes too.

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Well done 'appy 'Ammers and especially for Moyes. Incident with fans at one point throwing objects on the pitch and cutting someone's head in the process, unacceptable.

Still, good win for WH in a dramatic fashion at the end.

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Post #409287  Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 2:49 am 
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Post #409288  Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 6:25 am 
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Not a great performance from Rice. :laughing7:

Certainly didn’t scream a 100 million pound player based on that. I do think even if he came in replicating the perfomances partey put in for most of the season wouldn’t be easy. Honestly one of the best midfielders in Europe for most of the season


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Post #409289  Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 8:54 am 
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Yep - well done you 'appy 'ammers.

OK Dec - sober up, clear yer locker, say yer goodbyes and get yer arse to The Arse.


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Post #409290  Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 9:35 am 
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Lots of chat now about Arsenal making our move for Rice. £90m bid. West Ham chairman has said he's promised Rice that he can go. All the talk is that Rice wants to stay in London and is totally convinced by Arsenal and Arteta. It will be a very exciting signing if we can push it through.


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Post #409291  Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 9:38 am 
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I saw some guys on line speculate how they would spend Arsenal's supposed £200m transfer budget. Forget any sales, you just have £200m to improve the squad.

The consensus was on 2 central midfielders (one of Rice or Caicedo but not being able to afford both), a right sided defender and a right sided attacker/striker.

If you spend £90m on Rice I think you could get a very good right sided defender in the sub £30m range and there are options out there for more budget friendly central midfielders (circa £30-40m) but I think finding the top quality attacker is going to be the hardest position to fill this summer.


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Post #409292  Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 10:05 am 
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I saw some guys on line speculate how they would spend Arsenal's supposed £200m transfer budget. Forget any sales, you just have £200m to improve the squad.

The consensus was on 2 central midfielders (one of Rice or Caicedo but not being able to afford both), a right sided defender and a right sided attacker/striker.

If you spend £90m on Rice I think you could get a very good right sided defender in the sub £30m range and there are options out there for more budget friendly central midfielders (circa £30-40m) but I think finding the top quality attacker is going to be the hardest position to fill this summer.


Interesting concession. I would say Rice, caicedo and a young but promising right back.

We have 3 main problems really. Lack of power and speed in midfield, lack of a 2nd option up front and depth and cover especially for saka. Really I think choosing this would mean you are only addressing 1 of our problem areas.

I’m not expecting us to sign a new striker but just can’t see us maintaining a title challenge without a new one. Towards the end of last year I was even wondering if it would have been more effective to play Nketiah up there instead of gabby because when Jesus is having a bag game it seems he’s not effective at all.


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Post #409293  Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 12:38 pm 
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Pre-season schedule based on reports so far:

July 13th - Arsenal vs Nurnberg
July 19th - MLS All-Stars vs Arsenal
July 22nd - Arsenal vs Manchester United
July 26th - Arsenal vs Barcelona
August 2nd - Arsenal vs Monaco (mid week mini emirates cup)
August 6th - Arsenal vs Manchester City - Community Shield


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Post #409294  Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 12:41 pm 
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TOP GUN wrote:
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I saw some guys on line speculate how they would spend Arsenal's supposed £200m transfer budget. Forget any sales, you just have £200m to improve the squad.

The consensus was on 2 central midfielders (one of Rice or Caicedo but not being able to afford both), a right sided defender and a right sided attacker/striker.

If you spend £90m on Rice I think you could get a very good right sided defender in the sub £30m range and there are options out there for more budget friendly central midfielders (circa £30-40m) but I think finding the top quality attacker is going to be the hardest position to fill this summer.


Interesting concession. I would say Rice, caicedo and a young but promising right back.

We have 3 main problems really. Lack of power and speed in midfield, lack of a 2nd option up front and depth and cover especially for saka. Really I think choosing this would mean you are only addressing 1 of our problem areas.

I’m not expecting us to sign a new striker but just can’t see us maintaining a title challenge without a new one. Towards the end of last year I was even wondering if it would have been more effective to play Nketiah up there instead of gabby because when Jesus is having a bag game it seems he’s not effective at all.

It is possible that Arteta sees Trossard as a genuine option as a No.9.
In numbers only the squad really only lacks some depth in central midfield and right sided defender on the assumption that Nelson signs a new deal and is the back up right wing.
In terms of quality I think it is 2CM, 1 right sided defender, 1 right winger and 1 physical striker


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Post #409295  Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 3:27 pm 
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Post #409296  Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 3:30 pm 
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Arsenal official player of the year.
1st Ødegaard
2nd Saka
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Post #409297  Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 6:58 pm 
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Arsenal official player of the year.
1st Ødegaard
2nd Saka
3rd Martinelli


If he carries on improving, young Martin might challenge Dennis as my favourite ever player, and Dennis took over from the King of Highbury, no mean feat.

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Post #409298  Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2023 5:37 am 
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Rich wrote:
Pre-season schedule based on reports so far:

July 13th - Arsenal vs Nurnberg
July 19th - MLS All-Stars vs Arsenal
July 22nd - Arsenal vs Manchester United
July 26th - Arsenal vs Barcelona
August 2nd - Arsenal vs Monaco (mid week mini emirates cup)
August 6th - Arsenal vs Manchester City - Community Shield


I like a relatively difficult pre-season. Only if there is limited play for the ones who are expected to play 40 or more total games a season. I'd like to see the bench players heavily involved in these games as they'll will need to jump into the deep end in case of injury to a starter or subbed in and needed to perform magic right away.

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Arsenal official player of the year.
1st Ødegaard
2nd Saka
3rd Martinelli


If he carries on improving, young Martin might challenge Dennis as my favourite ever player, and Dennis took over from the King of Highbury, no mean feat.

Ooof high praise indeed.
Myself I often fluctuate between Bergkamp and Henry for favourite ever player depending what mood I’m in. I think Henry was the more ‘unplayable’ and for a time he was the best in the world but there are other (more emotional) reasons to choose Bergkamp. That he joined us in the first place at the time, his elite skill level was something else at the time, the elegance, the silkyness- he oozed class. If I was a professional football player I’d want to be Bergkamp


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Pre-season schedule based on reports so far:

July 13th - Arsenal vs Nurnberg
July 19th - MLS All-Stars vs Arsenal
July 22nd - Arsenal vs Manchester United
July 26th - Arsenal vs Barcelona
August 2nd - Arsenal vs Monaco (mid week mini emirates cup)
August 6th - Arsenal vs Manchester City - Community Shield


I like a relatively difficult pre-season. Only if there is limited play for the ones who are expected to play 40 or more total games a season. I'd like to see the bench players heavily involved in these games as they'll will need to jump into the deep end in case of injury to a starter or subbed in and needed to perform magic right away.

Last preseason we were flying, a lot of people say preseason is just about fitness and don’t worry about results but if you pay attention to pre season you really can see the teams who are going to fly out of the traps at the start of the season. Get your business done early, gel the team and start quick. 90+ points to win the title you can’t afford a slow start.
I still shudder at those years we were scrambling around doing late business and putting out half naked teams in the first 2-3 games and always playing catch up


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Real Madrid are transitioning from the Casemiro, Kroos, Modric midfield (which won 3-4 champions leagues) to a Camavinga, Tchoumeni, Bellingham midfield. Absolute elite levels of squad planning and management


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I do think Ødegaard will turn out to be the best attacking midfield player/No10 type we’ve had since Bergkamp

15 goals a 7 assists last year with no penalties. That’s outstanding for a player in his position. I think 1 year cesc got 19 goals and 19 assists or something which is nuts but that would have included pens.

I look at Ødegaard and I think he’s the player we all hoped Özil would be. Shoulders responsibility, grafts and wins matches. Incredible to think we were paying Özil 350k a week.

Bergkamp though ? Wash your mouth out :laughing7: bloke could control a runaway steam train with his first touch. I’ve never seen anything like it. A football player who seemed to know what was going to happen on the pitch 2 minutes before it did.


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If the transfer window doesn't officially open till June the 14th then how have Liverpool been able to officially announce Macallister on their website as a new signing???
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With regards to the CS, if we are going to lose I only want it to be on PKs and not open play. We need to play them to a stand still in regular time to instill confidence for the regular season.

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Post #409305  Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2023 1:34 pm 
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Miguel Delaney on Rice


“There has been progress with Arsenal, although they are still some way apart from West Ham United as regards how the purchase is made. A fee is almost agreed, but West Ham want the payment to only be over two instalments.”




Strikes me as the type of thing that gets ironed out


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Kai Havertz. Yeah silly season is here

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Boris resigns in disgrace. Literally the worst prime minister of all time. Literally turned everything and I mean everything to *%^@. Dorries his weird blow up fan girl doll too.

These *%^@ have done more damage to our kids future than anyone can comprehend. Piss stains on our reputation


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Boris resigns in disgrace. Literally the worst prime minister of all time. Literally turned everything and I mean everything to *%^@. Dorries his weird blow up fan girl doll too.

These *%^@ have done more damage to our kids future than anyone can comprehend. Piss stains on our reputation


Boris is a clown, a joke, a buffoon and a complete idiot!

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Boris resigns in disgrace. Literally the worst prime minister of all time. Literally turned everything and I mean everything to *%^@. Dorries his weird blow up fan girl doll too.

These *%^@ have done more damage to our kids future than anyone can comprehend. Piss stains on our reputation

Worse than that girl that was in for 10 minutes ?


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Boris resigns in disgrace. Literally the worst prime minister of all time. Literally turned everything and I mean everything to *%^@. Dorries his weird blow up fan girl doll too.

These *%^@ have done more damage to our kids future than anyone can comprehend. Piss stains on our reputation

Worse than that girl that was in for 10 minutes ?

Yes. She was a disaster but he’s responsible for deliberately architecting the decline of the country to further himself at all costs. He’s caused generational damage that will take decades to fix. She pressed the fast forward button that accelerated and exacerbated problems he introduced. Whole thing is a disaster.


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Boris resigns in disgrace. Literally the worst prime minister of all time. Literally turned everything and I mean everything to *%^@. Dorries his weird blow up fan girl doll too.

These *%^@ have done more damage to our kids future than anyone can comprehend. Piss stains on our reputation


Boris is a clown, a joke, a buffoon and a complete idiot!

Worthless piece of sub human *%^@. Doesn’t give a toss about integrity or the truth and not only a disaster capitalist but a national traitor. Destroyed the global reputation of Britain as a bunch of lemmings following a public schoolboy oaf who’s literally screwing them.

Will now *%^@ off and make a fortune telling stories about his achievements which amount to a grand total of *%^@ all whilst people will struggle as the result of his decisions for years


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Would be a lot of money for a 29 year old . Not sure where this would leave benny blanco who is a favourite of mine I have to admit.


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Lots of positive noise over Saliba’s contract. Supposedly he’s going to take the No.2 shirt next year


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According to The Athletic and Ornstein, an agreement with Arsenal to keep Saliba on till 2027 hss been reached. A 4 yr contract. Now moving on to the paperwork stage.

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Saliba is a Massive coup for us if he’s staying. Really interesting as he’s going to be one of the best centre backs in world football. Feels as big as a new signing that one. Just need to keep him fit.

Also a slap in the face for the weirdos moaning at Arteta for loaning him out previously


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'Road To Istanbul: Manchester City’s odyssey from Dickov to brink of immortality.'

https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... mmortality

Thanks, Guardian. Yes, Poirot himself would struggle to untangle the mysteries of the Manchester City timeline over the decades: nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing, injection of billions, passage of a few years, Champions League trophy. It's a beautiful and mesmerising tale.

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mcquilkie wrote:
'Road To Istanbul: Manchester City’s odyssey from Dickov to brink of immortality.'

https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... mmortality

Thanks, Guardian. Yes, Poirot himself would struggle to untangle the mysteries of the Manchester City timeline over the decades: nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing, injection of billions, passage of a few years, Champions League trophy. It's a beautiful and mesmerising tale.

:laughing7:

I find the lack of build up to the game interesting really. No one really cares. I hadnt even realised it was today. Just apathy really. I think all of Europe will be cheering for inter tonight


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Maybe I'm wrong but I assume most gooners and EPL fans are cheering for Inter as most hate City and their dominance and their money.
I'm actually hoping they'll win. Only because I hate Man Utd so much but wouldn't mind if they get it all stripped later on after the fact.

If we had won the title Kroenke and assuming his NBA team the Denver Nuggets will win the title, he would have been the first person to win an EPL title, NBA title, Super Bowl, NHL ice hockey title.

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Inter had a very good strategy of Italian style stifling defense especially crowding the playmaker and Mourinho esque cynical defending, niggly fouls, faking injuries, etc till City finally got an opening.

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