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Niall · **#549041**

socrates wrote:

Niall wrote:

Hi all, hope yis are all keeping well.

I've just seen the news regarding Bernard's passing back in November. I am shocked and would like to belatedly pass on my condolences to his friends on here and his family. I had spoken to him briefly last year about getting tickets for the Emirates on FB messenger and although the plans didn't progress from there - Bernard was very keen to help out. A gentleman I would say.

Obviously, he was an absolute legend on here and will be and I'm sure already has been terribly missed. It must have been around 2000/2001 when I first had a good "debate" with Bernard when he reacted incredulously to my belief Gilles Grimandi was rubbish. Little did I know that innocent observation would lead to such outrage. :42laughter:

Before I knew it though, I was really enjoying arguing with this bloke on the internet and would refresh repeatedly for the next installment. Of which there were many. Fun times.

RIP Bernard.

Hey Niall,

Great to see you back, we were all a little worried.

Cheers Soc, great to see you're still posting. Hope you're well.

Niall · **#549042**

Decaf wrote:

DHD wrote:

Berlimey - he lives!!

More than can be said of your Creative Zen.

Been in jug?

Good to hear from you Niall.

I knew there was a 'debate' before the epic Wiltord one but I'd forgotten it was about Grimandi of all people. Absurd in retrospect but very entertaining.

Cheers Decaf, good to hear from you too. Hope you're well.

Niall · **#549043**

Rich wrote:

I thought Declan Rice was superb last night.

Good to see the Irish lads doing well.

AmericanGooner · **#549044**

Haaland and Rashford were out. Who wants to bet that they will have a miraculous recovery? I'd like to see a rule that if you are unfit enough for national team selection then you are unfit for the first game after the game. So you miss the game immediately after it.

Gunfire · **#549045**

socrates wrote:

Can anyone explain to me why Southgate took Foden off after 3 mins when Saka, the most similar type of player, had been on for 70 odd mins? Then he brought Saka off a few minutes later! How is sacrificing a player with fresh legs the best solution?

I thought the same as did the commentators on Irish TV. Very strange and not great for Foden's morale or Saka's energy levels.

dec · **#549046**

Niall wrote:

Rich wrote:

I thought Declan Rice was superb last night.

Good to see the Irish lads doing well.

Hi Niall,

Great to see you back here.

Your lads had a big win against the mighty San Marino last night. :angel4:

Niall · **#549047**

dec wrote:

Niall wrote:

Good to see the Irish lads doing well.

Hi Niall,

Great to see you back here.

Your lads had a big win against the mighty San Marino last night. :angel4:

Thanks Dec. It's great to see you're still around as well.

I have to admit you got me there. I did not know San Marino were playing last night. :26surprise:

Rich · **#549048**

https://www.planetfootball.com/trending ... k-denmark/

Already dubbed the next Haaland....even his name sounds the same. Apparently we're tracking him. He'd be a plan B centre forward at least

TOP GUN · **#549049**

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/premier- ... e-12841247

AmericanGooner · **#549050**

The next Saka?

Lincoln gooner · **#549051**

TOP GUN wrote:

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/premier-league-footballer-accused-of-rape-is-now-being-investigated-on-suspicion-of-third-sexual-offence-12841247

Very worried that this may be .... no I'm not going to say it.

Zed · **#549052**

bromley gooner wrote:

TOP GUN wrote:

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/premier-league-footballer-accused-of-rape-is-now-being-investigated-on-suspicion-of-third-sexual-offence-12841247

Very worried that this may be .... no I'm not going to say it.

A third time is embarrassing, abhorrent, criminal, let alone detrimental to the club this player represents. Your guess is probably correct who this is.

bubblechris · **#549053**

bromley gooner wrote:

TOP GUN wrote:

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/premier-league-footballer-accused-of-rape-is-now-being-investigated-on-suspicion-of-third-sexual-offence-12841247

Very worried that this may be .... no I'm not going to say it.

But they say he has been on bail. Does that not mean he has been charged and not just under investigation?

If it is Tommy he shouldn't be playing for us. If it isn't then the club should clarify that.

Can't love him and loathe him at the same time ffs.

socrates · **#549054**

TOP GUN wrote:

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/premier-league-footballer-accused-of-rape-is-now-being-investigated-on-suspicion-of-third-sexual-offence-12841247

This is a really bizarre situation.

The law in this land says innocent until proven guilty and I suppose that legally the club is doing exactly the right thing. What else can they do? Until he is actually charged with something they can't suspend him, nor should they.

How would these offenses even be proven after such a long time has elapsed? Without witnesses or physical evidence such as pictures of bruising, hospital or doctors records etc is it not just his word against hers?

Rape/sexual offences are despicable crimes and, if guilty, he deserves everything he gets and more but I can't see how the club could handle this any differently than they are at the moment.

The lad at City was actually charged and Mason Greenwood's alleged offence was backed up by a fairly damning video online so I am not sure their respective clubs could do anything else but suspend them.

socrates · **#549055**

bubblechris wrote:

bromley gooner wrote:

Very worried that this may be .... no I'm not going to say it.

But they say he has been on bail. Does that not mean he has been charged and not just under investigation?

If it is Tommy he shouldn't be playing for us. If it isn't then the club should clarify that.

Can't love him and loathe him at the same time ffs.

Good question bubble, do you need to be actually charged with a crime to be released on bail or can you just be suspected and released on bail pending further enquiries/investigations? I think it may be the latter.

Ash · **#549056**

socrates wrote:

bubblechris wrote:

But they say he has been on bail. Does that not mean he has been charged and not just under investigation?

If it is Tommy he shouldn't be playing for us. If it isn't then the club should clarify that.

Can't love him and loathe him at the same time ffs.

Good question bubble, do you need to be actually charged with a crime to be released on bail or can you just be suspected and released on bail pending further enquiries/investigations? I think it may be the latter.

After being charged is bail set by a judge. During investigation is ‘police bail’. Similar to Andrew Tate in Romania where he hasn’t been given bail as he’s an obvious flight risk I would imagine, so is in custody whilst being investigated instead

TOP GUN · **#549057**

socrates wrote:

bubblechris wrote:

But they say he has been on bail. Does that not mean he has been charged and not just under investigation?

If it is Tommy he shouldn't be playing for us. If it isn't then the club should clarify that.

Can't love him and loathe him at the same time ffs.

Good question bubble, do you need to be actually charged with a crime to be released on bail or can you just be suspected and released on bail pending further enquiries/investigations? I think it may be the latter.

I believe the police can do a pre charge bail whilst the police refer the case to the CPS to decide if they can bring charges. Usually with many of these type of cases there’s usually a lack of physical and forensic evidence that can be used so the cases can fester with the CPS and police over several years whilst they deliberate if there would likely be a successful prosecution basically on who said what. Even more complicated if the accused is in an actual relationship with the accuser making the allegations

Rich · **#549058**

Emile Smith Rowe scored for the Eng U21 tonight

Rich · **#549059**

https://twitter.com/dailyafc/status/163 ... -j6VVZXEoA

Man City’s Rodri with an awful tackle on Ødegaard. No penalty given. Haaland pulled out of these internationals as well

Decaf · **#549060**

Ash wrote:

socrates wrote:

Good question bubble, do you need to be actually charged with a crime to be released on bail or can you just be suspected and released on bail pending further enquiries/investigations? I think it may be the latter.

After being charged is bail set by a judge. During investigation is ‘police bail’. Similar to Andrew Tate in Romania where he hasn’t been given bail as he’s an obvious flight risk I would imagine, so is in custody whilst being investigated instead

But is there any substance to this?

If you google 'Thomas Partey" nothing comes up. You have to look for it by adding other keywords.

And it is only social media that is joining the dots.

None of the papers (even the tabloids) name names.

It is all very concerning, but if there were a strong case, would the media be so coy?

Whether or not there is a 'strong case' is what counts legally, and employers cannot go too far beyond that, otherwise you end up with trail by public opinion.

bubblechris · **#549061**

Decaf wrote:

Whether or not there is a 'strong case' is what counts legally, and employers cannot go too far beyond that, otherwise you end up with trail by public opinion.

Shouldn't the club call the MSM out on this?

It must be affecting Thomas as well, how would any of us like it if such things were being associated with us?

That or a complete denial only then would most of us accept that it isn't about Thomas. If it is crap which hopefully it is MSM or the likes of Twitter etc should not be allowed to make such postss or assertions.

Maybe it's up to Thomas to issue a denial but we all know there are people out there who will believe everything they read without question.

An awful situation being made worse by chinese whispers?

Gaz from Oz · **#549062**

Rich wrote:

https://twitter.com/dailyafc/status/1639723382429167619?s=46&t=fkwaCrtFB5yR-j6VVZXEoA

Man City’s Rodri with an awful tackle on Ødegaard. No penalty given. Haaland pulled out of these internationals as well

I suggest that Saka should cut down Grealish at England training with an intent to injure him as an even up. I am a big one for revenge.

Gunfire · **#549063**

bubblechris wrote:

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Maybe it's up to Thomas to issue a denial but we all know there are people out there who will believe everything they read without question.

An awful situation being made worse by chinese whispers?

Plus the old no smoke without fire line be trotted out.

Gunfire · **#549064**

bubblechris wrote:

If it is Tommy he shouldn't be playing for us. If it isn't then the club should clarify that.

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That's the worst take on this I've seen. Mere accusation should not be enough to cause someone to lose their livelihood.

Decaf · **#549065**

Gunfire wrote:

bubblechris wrote:

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Maybe it's up to Thomas to issue a denial but we all know there are people out there who will believe everything they read without question.

An awful situation being made worse by chinese whispers?

Plus the old no smoke without fire line be trotted out.

social media is about 90% smoke without fire. More heat than light ...

TOP GUN · **#549066**

Gunfire wrote:

bubblechris wrote:

If it is Tommy he shouldn't be playing for us. If it isn't then the club should clarify that.

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That's the worst take on this I've seen. Mere accusation should not be enough to cause someone to lose their livelihood.

Absolutely, look at neymar. Same situation. Video evidence he was being scammed and it was an attempt at extortion

Rich · **#549067**

Gaz from Oz wrote:

Rich wrote:

https://twitter.com/dailyafc/status/1639723382429167619?s=46&t=fkwaCrtFB5yR-j6VVZXEoA

Man City’s Rodri with an awful tackle on Ødegaard. No penalty given. Haaland pulled out of these internationals as well

I suggest that Saka should cut down Grealish at England training with an intent to injure him as an even up. I am a big one for revenge.

Well Tierney and Scotland play Spain next….

Rich · **#549068**

Foden has had surgery to take his appendix out. Not sure how long recovery period is for that.

Ash · **#549069**

Rich wrote:

Foden has had surgery to take his appendix out. Not sure how long recovery period is for that.

Depends, is Kiwipete performing the operation??

Ash · **#549070**

Fabrizio Romano reporting we (along with probably everyone else) are interested in signing Roméo Lavia from Southampton. Saw that one coming, seemed obvious we’d be interested and it makes a lot of sense. 6 and 8 cover, Prem experience, high ceiling and young. Can’t say I’ve seen much of him tbh. Really we need two in midfield to cover the left 8 and 6. Transfermarkt has his value at £25M so expect Saints to be asking for 50.

I’m very curious as what we do next. Keep adding depth coming up and through with young players, or bring in higher profile players in their prime to come in and start now?

TOP GUN · **#549071**

Rich wrote:

Foden has had surgery to take his appendix out. Not sure how long recovery period is for that.

Couple of weeks.

It’s likely city forced him to have a vital organ removed to reduce our chances of winning the league

TOP GUN · **#549072**

Starboy masterclass at Wembley.

What a player. World class

Decaf · **#549073**

TOP GUN wrote:

Starboy masterclass at Wembley.

What a player. World class

And he keeps getting better.

Rich · **#549074**

Ash wrote:

Fabrizio Romano reporting we (along with probably everyone else) are interested in signing Roméo Lavia from Southampton. Saw that one coming, seemed obvious we’d be interested and it makes a lot of sense. 6 and 8 cover, Prem experience, high ceiling and young. Can’t say I’ve seen much of him tbh. Really we need two in midfield to cover the left 8 and 6. Transfermarkt has his value at £25M so expect Saints to be asking for 50.

I’m very curious as what we do next. Keep adding depth coming up and through with young players, or bring in higher profile players in their prime to come in and start now?

Southampton turned down £40m from Chelsea for Lavia only a few weeks after they signed him this summer

Man City have a buy back clause that triggers in 2024

Going forward I think we maintain the age profile of the squad but look now at a mix of potential and ready made. Jesus and Zinchenko at 25 ish are the perfect ready made improvement to the starting 11.

Rich · **#549075**

Decaf wrote:

TOP GUN wrote:

Starboy masterclass at Wembley.

What a player. World class

And he keeps getting better.

I can’t think of a right winger who is better than him right now in world football.

Gaz from Oz · **#549076**

Rich wrote:

Gaz from Oz wrote:

I suggest that Saka should cut down Grealish at England training with an intent to injure him as an even up. I am a big one for revenge.

Well Tierney and Scotland play Spain next….

That’s a clear thought process.

Gaz from Oz · **#549077**

Conte gone. Another project begins. Entertainment guaranteed at Spurs

Zed · **#549078**

Gaz from Oz wrote:

Conte gone. Another project begins. Entertainment guaranteed at Spurs

Conte being sacked on MA's birthday as well.
:angel9:

Rich · **#549079**

Gaz from Oz wrote:

Conte gone. Another project begins. Entertainment guaranteed at Spurs

Mutual consent. That is surely a sacking after the comments he made. There is no way Levy could let him stay.
So that is twice in 3 seasons Spurs have sacked a ‘proven winner’ in the home straight of a season in favour of a total rookie. They did it with Mourinho just before a cup final.
It also shows that if you play awful football, show no long term plan and show no interest in developing players that the only thing keeping your head above water is results - as soon as they drop off there is nothing left to save you. Compare this to Arteta, who had a far worse run of results than Conte experienced but the future was clear and the ideas and leadership were excellent and worth buying in to and being patient with.

TOP GUN · **#549080**

Worth also noting that if Arsenal were 6th in the table in no way would spurs be sacking their manager. :laughing7:

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