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Post #377401  Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2023 9:45 am 
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Reiss nelson has his contract expiry this summer. Certainly showed yesterday and earlier this season he’s improved. That might be a dilemma for the club. He’s probably better than the number of minutes he’s getting


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Post #377402  Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2023 9:48 am 
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Last minute winners are amazing aren't they, especially after going 2-0 down. The sheer euphoria, the exhileration. It's just crazy, spine tingling.

That said, there are only so many times you can concede such sloppy goals and come back and win.

In a title run-in you need to be watertight because the pressure to win is immense and goals are not easy to come by, even against the so called weaker sides and even more so when most teams we face play a low block, doubling up on our wingers.

The truth is that Bournemouth had 19% of the possession but still had 4 or 5 big chances and only a combination of a poor final ball, poor finishing and great goalkeeping kept them from adding to their tally.

You can't let the opposition have only 19% of the possession but still see them have enough clear-cut chances to score 4 or 5, that is simply unstainable.

The number of times teams have broken on us with 3 v 2's and 4 v 2's in recent games is a big worry. It feels like we are attacking with reckless abandon and at some point we will be punished. We got away with it yesterday but as Rich pointed out there are only so many times you can go to the well before it runs dry.

Gary Neville talked about it and I can see just how mentally and physically draining games like yesterday must be despite the euphoria of a last minute winner.

The other side of that 81% possession is it illustrates how much we struggle to create big chances. So many blocked shots and harmless floaty crosses.

Nelson was pinging them in hard, both along the ground and in the air (as with Whites goal)--I think that is a very good tactic against a team that is mopping up everything in the air and closing down the shooting and passing channels.

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Look at this guy taking all the credit - He wasn't even on the pitch !



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Post #377404  Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2023 10:03 am 
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Its possible we wont have any fit strikers for Thursday's match


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Post #377405  Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2023 10:16 am 
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I've seen Reiss-Nelson on tv several times. I was always impressed and you won't find an unkind word from me about him in my posts. He isn't Cristiano but he isn't trash either. I saw him live in the friendly vs Milan...I was impressed.
I've always thought there was a place for him and he was played in a position he didn't want or wasn't suited for. You play where the squad needs you, ok. But why not play to his strengths sometimes?

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Post #377406  Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2023 10:19 am 
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Its possible we wont have any fit strikers for Thursday's match


Really? Who is available?

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Post #377407  Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2023 11:03 am 
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Decaf wrote:
socrates wrote:
Last minute winners are amazing aren't they, especially after going 2-0 down. The sheer euphoria, the exhileration. It's just crazy, spine tingling.

That said, there are only so many times you can concede such sloppy goals and come back and win.

In a title run-in you need to be watertight because the pressure to win is immense and goals are not easy to come by, even against the so called weaker sides and even more so when most teams we face play a low block, doubling up on our wingers.

The truth is that Bournemouth had 19% of the possession but still had 4 or 5 big chances and only a combination of a poor final ball, poor finishing and great goalkeeping kept them from adding to their tally.

You can't let the opposition have only 19% of the possession but still see them have enough clear-cut chances to score 4 or 5, that is simply unstainable.

The number of times teams have broken on us with 3 v 2's and 4 v 2's in recent games is a big worry. It feels like we are attacking with reckless abandon and at some point we will be punished. We got away with it yesterday but as Rich pointed out there are only so many times you can go to the well before it runs dry.

Gary Neville talked about it and I can see just how mentally and physically draining games like yesterday must be despite the euphoria of a last minute winner.

The other side of that 81% possession is it illustrates how much we struggle to create big chances. So many blocked shots and harmless floaty crosses.

Nelson was pinging them in hard, both along the ground and in the air (as with Whites goal)--I think that is a very good tactic against a team that is mopping up everything in the air and closing down the shooting and passing channels.


Hi Decaf,

It would be interesting to see if we had a big powerful CF who could maybe get on the end of some of those crosses, but then again would that change our whole dynamic?


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I wonder if Arteta might be tempted to sit Jorginho in front of the two CBs, giving us a little more protection against these pesky counter-attacks which routinely see us 2 v 3 or even 2 v 4.

Jorginho is not the quickest so its not the ideal solution but I'm struggling to think how we can make ourselves less vulnerable whilst at the same time having a player at the base of the midfield with the ability to spray passes around.

For all our domination yesterday we were really really vulnerable to their counters.


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Post #377409  Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2023 11:08 am 
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Decaf wrote:
1. If a keeper take too long, award an indirect free kick. Isn't that the rule anyway? Yellow cards are not the right punishment.
2. Have a timekeeper calculate the amount of extra time accurately and without discretion OR just stop the clock when the game stops, like in rugby, American football etc.
A direct free kick in the D would eliminate much time wasting by keepers. Yes, an independent clock that stops when ball is out of play would be fairer on spectators too. The technology is there.

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Post #377410  Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2023 11:58 am 
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socrates wrote:
Decaf wrote:
The other side of that 81% possession is it illustrates how much we struggle to create big chances. So many blocked shots and harmless floaty crosses.

Nelson was pinging them in hard, both along the ground and in the air (as with Whites goal)--I think that is a very good tactic against a team that is mopping up everything in the air and closing down the shooting and passing channels.


Hi Decaf,

It would be interesting to see if we had a big powerful CF who could maybe get on the end of some of those crosses, but then again would that change our whole dynamic?


Greetings Soc. You'd think that a lot of the time we are facing a low block and it is fairly static anyway, but what do I know? The proof is in the pudding.

I suppose, Jesus, when he comes back, brings a bit more physicality, and Nketiah's movement in the box somewhat makes up for his stature.

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Post #377411  Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2023 12:40 pm 
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A pundit probably described it all the best. The first ten seconds and last ten seconds and 97 minutes of good football inbetween.

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Post #377412  Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2023 12:43 pm 
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socrates wrote:
I wonder if Arteta might be tempted to sit Jorginho in front of the two CBs, giving us a little more protection against these pesky counter-attacks which routinely see us 2 v 3 or even 2 v 4.

Jorginho is not the quickest so its not the ideal solution but I'm struggling to think how we can make ourselves less vulnerable whilst at the same time having a player at the base of the midfield with the ability to spray passes around.

For all our domination yesterday we were really really vulnerable to their counters.


You'd think with that us so vulnerable at the back for counters in games against lesser sides, in theory we'd be conceding bucket loads against the top 6 sides. But we don't. We approach those sides differently. Far more team defense. I think its how we approach lesser sides vs how we approach the better sides.

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Post #377413  Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2023 12:49 pm 
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https://www.football365.com/news/richar ... ate-winner

Richard Keys is back….this time he’s fine with us celebrating but questions why we were allowed to play to 97 minutes when only 6 were shown. Of course everyone knows why and it was completely valid but I’m questioning this Keys once again shows his ridiculous bias against us this season.

This season I’ve seen so many bitter people in the media towards what we’re doing. If they’re ex-spurs or even have deep affinity to some of our rivals I get it, they can’t help themself or hide their jealousy but what I don’t understand is from supposed neutral pundits/presenters - or even if deep down they aren’t neutral if they head the show they have to appear neutral


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Post #377414  Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2023 1:09 pm 
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socrates wrote:
I wonder if Arteta might be tempted to sit Jorginho in front of the two CBs, giving us a little more protection against these pesky counter-attacks which routinely see us 2 v 3 or even 2 v 4.

Jorginho is not the quickest so its not the ideal solution but I'm struggling to think how we can make ourselves less vulnerable whilst at the same time having a player at the base of the midfield with the ability to spray passes around.

For all our domination yesterday we were really really vulnerable to their counters.

Not conceding first is so key in these games. We end up going much more gung-ho and risk being picked off.
Generally Saliba and Gabriel do a fantastic 1v1 job against most strikers, being asked to defend that way with 50 yards of space behind you really is the biggest difference between elite CB and those that look great but play for midtable teams. I’ve never understood the clamour surrounding these types of CB, usually English, and demanding they get to play for a top 6 side and the national team. It’s a completely different level. It’s similar in a way to some strikers, score lots for a midtable team and everyone thinks that put him in a top 6 team with much better players and the goals will still flow - which totally ignores the lack of space the top strikers get to operate in when they routinely face 10 man defences.

I don’t know if there is a way we can draw out the opposition more?

Not conceding and patience is key. Defending solidly for 90 minutes is mentally draining and 1 mistake and you’re punished. You could see that with all 3 of our goals in the end, great finishes but Bournemouth just slightly switched off and didn’t follow the man or were caught ball watching. It was the same v Everton.
Once we get in front those counter attacking chances all but disappear


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Rich wrote:
https://www.football365.com/news/richard-keys-no-problem-arsenal-celebrations-queries-late-winner

Richard Keys is back….this time he’s fine with us celebrating but questions why we were allowed to play to 97 minutes when only 6 were shown. Of course everyone knows why and it was completely valid but I’m questioning this Keys once again shows his ridiculous bias against us this season.

This season I’ve seen so many bitter people in the media towards what we’re doing. If they’re ex-spurs or even have deep affinity to some of our rivals I get it, they can’t help themself or hide their jealousy but what I don’t understand is from supposed neutral pundits/presenters - or even if deep down they aren’t neutral if they head the show they have to appear neutral

Imagine it was united or, heaven forbid, Spurs having such an unexpectedly brilliant season, Rich. Do you think you'd be able to take it graciously? It must be vary hard to stomach .:laughing7: :laughing7: :laughing7:

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https://twitter.com/maa_gunner/status/1 ... -j6VVZXEoA

This is the talksport commentary. The noise from the crowd literally drowning out a commentator shouting in to his microphone.

Best atmosphere in the league game after game by far.

If you have the chance to listen to the handbrake off podcast Amy Lawrence for a day with the Ashburton Army a group of 100 youngish guys who have taken it on themselves to improve the atmosphere in the ground. A million hats off to them for what they’ve done


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Decaf wrote:
Rich wrote:
https://www.football365.com/news/richard-keys-no-problem-arsenal-celebrations-queries-late-winner

Richard Keys is back….this time he’s fine with us celebrating but questions why we were allowed to play to 97 minutes when only 6 were shown. Of course everyone knows why and it was completely valid but I’m questioning this Keys once again shows his ridiculous bias against us this season.

This season I’ve seen so many bitter people in the media towards what we’re doing. If they’re ex-spurs or even have deep affinity to some of our rivals I get it, they can’t help themself or hide their jealousy but what I don’t understand is from supposed neutral pundits/presenters - or even if deep down they aren’t neutral if they head the show they have to appear neutral

Imagine it was united or, heaven forbid, Spurs having such an unexpectedly brilliant season, Rich. Do you think you'd be able to take it graciously? It must be vary hard to stomach .:laughing7: :laughing7: :laughing7:

I’d be seething and bitter and trying to downplay everything they do….but I’m not paid to be neutral and front a huge football show to an audience of millions.


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Surely the greatest twitter thread of all time

https://twitter.com/afcdw/status/163209 ... 2SVs7ar8TQ


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Rich wrote:
https://twitter.com/maa_gunner/status/1632363181174562816?s=46&t=fkwaCrtFB5yR-j6VVZXEoA

This is the talksport commentary. The noise from the crowd literally drowning out a commentator shouting in to his microphone.

Best atmosphere in the league game after game by far.

If you have the chance to listen to the handbrake off podcast Amy Lawrence for a day with the Ashburton Army a group of 100 youngish guys who have taken it on themselves to improve the atmosphere in the ground. A million hats off to them for what they’ve done


Those kids have seen brilliant. Going mental for 90 minutes. The drums are wicked

Honestly I didn’t think we could top the atmosphere at the end of the united game but yesterday was mental.

Will check out the podcast thanks


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https://twitter.com/afcamden/status/163 ... -j6VVZXEoA

Overview of the penalty shouts yesterday. Doesn’t include the one where billing has his hand up sort of protecting his face and it hit it.

They are all in the category of seen them given. The first one where he mistimed his header is not his shoulder and looks lower than the sleeve. The best shout is the Saka one where the defender clearly leans in to the cross and makes himself bigger you only have to look at where his arm goes after the ball hits it to see what his intention was. That one is handball for sure


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So it’s not just our men’s side then. In the League Cup final our women’s side have just been denied a stonewall penalty. So obvious that it’s hard to imagine how the referee and assistant didn’t see it.

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Arsenal are women are beating Chelsea 3-1 in the cup final and have just had the clearest penalty you’ll ever see not given. It’s not just the men’s team!
Honestly this was actually worse than any decision the men’s team have had


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There's an echo in here ....


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Nice one Gakpo.

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Nice one Gakpo.

… and Nunez (helped by Keystone Cops defending).

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long time gooner wrote:
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Nice one Gakpo.

… and Nunez (helped by Keystone Cops defending).

… and Gakpo again.

Just hope that Liverpool don’t find that form when we go there.

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Salah mugged 2 players, was it Chelsea that let him go? I can't recall. Seems crazy now.

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Salah bamboozled Martinez and then the finish from Gakpo was very nice...


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Really enjoying Man U getting hammered by Liverpool.

They’ve been really good recently but I’ve always felt their results were better than their performances. Generally they don’t dominate games and possession, they play deep and counter. That in theory is easier for teams to figure out than the type of football us and City play. It didn’t feel right that they were being talked about being up with us.

Rashford has carried them scoring at a rate that wasn’t sustainable


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The good news, Man Utd is losing 3-0 at Anfield. The bad news? We have to go to Anfield.

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Oh yes. 4-0. Lovely

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4 nil now....and once again Mc Tominay escapes with a yellow card for a studs up follow through tackle.


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:laughing7: :15laughter: :15laughter:

5-0

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I was hoping the Scousers would do us a favour and take points from the Mancs. But no way did I expect to see this absolute hiding.


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Haven't seen so many guys score so many in 75 minutes since Holly R. showed up at the basketball game after party drunk in HS.

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Fernandes pushed the linesman, that should be an automatic booking and a fine afterwards.

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More comedy defending. 6-0

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AmericanGooner wrote:
The good news, Man Utd is losing 3-0 at Anfield. The bad news? We have to go to Anfield.

I'm going to predict that Liverpool aren't going to win every home game 3 or 4 nil from now on.

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The ball is a pinball machine game around the box and keeps falling kindly to a Liverpool player...hilarious.

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haha...I hope the LFC fans sing this...lol


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