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Post #537681  Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2022 12:01 pm 
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Yeah, I think it's best not to speculate at all with the little amount of info we have, and the way people have been running away with this is pretty damn distasteful. Forget about innocent until proven guilty, we now have players being labeled as a rapist when we don't even know if they've been accused of anything.

Looking back on it I have to agree with this. I know I looked up which Arsenal and Tottenham players are 29 and will play in the World Cup, as well as giving a link to a source saying Davies lives in Barnet and naming him in the headline. But I hope I didn’t go overboard in my previous two posts on the issue.


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So now it’s being reported that the alleged player being accused did travel yesterday and is with the squad. This would make it unlikely to be him if it was reported he was in custody. If I was him I’d seriously lawyer up, defamation suits everywhere

Yeah, I think it's best not to speculate at all with the little amount of info we have, and the way people have been running away with this is pretty damn distasteful. Forget about innocent until proven guilty, we now have players being labeled as a rapist when we don't even know if they've been accused of anything.

Yep

Seriously he needs to hire johnny depps legal team.


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Post #537683  Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2022 12:09 pm 
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Generally Arsenal players do often tend to live in the Barnet area. Wenger himself was at Totteridge lane

Spurs players more so round Enfield way historically

If I was a footballer I’d want as far away from London as possible personally but there you go


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Generally Arsenal players do often tend to live in the Barnet area. Wenger himself was at Totteridge lane

Spurs players more so round Enfield way historically

If I was a footballer I’d want as far away from London as possible personally but there you go

I think fan base wise, while there are loads of Tottenham fans in Barnet and loads of Arsenal fans in Enfield, traditionally Barnet is more of an Arsenal borough and Enfield is more of a Tottenham borough. But I’m less sure that applies so much to where players live.

Basically the two clubs grounds and training pitches are so close to each other, and Barnet and Enfield as London boroughs border each other, I think it’s a bit simplistic to generalise like that.

Even by using the term ‘historically’. My dad showed me where Don Howe lived and it was Winchmore Hill, in the Borough of Enfield. Decades ago I used to go to a pub in Winchmore Hill called the Chase Side Tavern. Liam Brady was often there, sometimes with some Arsenal team mates.


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Oh my.

PREM STAR 'RAPIST' Premier League international re-arrested on suspicion of two more rapes against different woman

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/19099385 ... g-woman-2/

A PREMIER League international footballer arrested on suspicion of rape has been re-arrested for two more attacks against different women.

The player, who is in his late 20s and is due to play at the World Cup in Qatar in November, was detained yesterday after six police cars swooped on a North London address.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/20 ... e-attacks/

I have a feeling that it's not an Arsenal player. Could be wrong of course but just a feeling.


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This also calls into question the way the media handles these matters. There is no reason to publicise information such as the exact age of the player, or the fact that he's "internationally renowned". All it does is throw a bunch of people who fit the description but are innocent into a story about a terrible crime they had nothing to do with, and fuel speculation on social media. Extremely irresponsible journalism in my book.


Spot-on Haz,

Its one of the worst aspects of twitter and social media in general. Rumours, speculation and outright lies are spread around the world in seconds and there is no accountability. People reputations are being tarnished, often irrepairably, based on nothing more than heresay, misinformation and quite often spite, jealousy, racism and, when it comes to football players, tribalism.

Its basically trial by social media. Whatever did happen to innocent until proven guilty, presumably it doesn't apply on twitter or twatter as it perhaps should be called.


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Uh oh. The reporter who said the player was in Germany has now retracted that and said he’s just found out he’s in back in London. This is going to be painful and will run and run.


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... presumably it doesn't apply on twitter or twatter as it perhaps should be called.


Or 'YouInstaTwitFace'


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Whoever it is, he’s now facing two more allegations from a different woman. This is not looking good at all.


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Whoever it is, he’s now facing two more allegations from a different woman. This is not looking good at all.

Yeah, the player in question is done. No way any club is going to be associated with this.


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I’ve always found it important to be Frank and Ernest with women. In Enfield I’m frank and in Barnet I’m Ernest usually.

Joking aside I’ve got a daughter and if she made a complaint like this there wouldn’t be a trial by social media as I’d have cut the blokes arms and legs off. Stumpy would have more than a slight issue with his cross field passes trust me. If this turns out to be true I hope the club take the hardest line possible.


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The player described in the report plays for one of the best Premier League sides.


That rules out Partey and Xhaka


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Hasn’t he recently got married and converted to Islam? That speaks of someone who you’d think had a moral compass.

I clearly don’t know the guy but this stuff just seems out of character.


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Hazuki wrote:
bromley gooner wrote:
Whoever it is, he’s now facing two more allegations from a different woman. This is not looking good at all.

Yeah, the player in question is done. No way any club is going to be associated with this.

Multiple allegations ? If this turns out to be true i don’t think you can play him in the interim. Club policy is one thing but the manager himself strikes me as one who would also tool up to take a hard line.


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The player described in the report plays for one of the best Premier League sides.


That rules out Partey and Xhaka

It also said the player is the best player at their respective club. Xhaka had a great nights sleep last night then.


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So it's cleared up them.


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Javid and sunak resign. Is this cluster *%^@ of the last 6 years about to end.

Adios Boris. Useless fat criminal and traitor to boot


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Javid and sunak resign.



Rats???


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Spurs getting 30m euros for Bergwein from Ajax, that’s a very good deal for Spurs to sell a squad player who has never been first choice


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Who knows what to believe anymore. An update. Hopefully only clickbait.

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Spurs getting 30m euros for Bergwein from Ajax, that’s a very good deal for Spurs to sell a squad player who has never been first choice

8 goals in 83 games. If we had a forward with that strike rate we'd have to pay 30m for a club to take him.

It's one area where we just need to improve massively - looking at players we want to sell and what they "should" be worth, we should be getting 30-40m at least for Guendouzi. AMN should've been sold for 20m. Mavropanos 10-15. That's basically the Raphinha fee right there.


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Hasn’t he recently got married and converted to Islam? That speaks of someone who you’d think had a moral compass.

I clearly don’t know the guy but this stuff just seems out of character.

The thing is DHD, not all elements of Islam are conclusively associated with women’s rights. At the most extreme case, honour killings have been committed by Muslims.


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Not looking good for Thomas. My nephew in Ghana ‘confirms’ from close and direct contacts that he didn’t travel. Conclusions must be that there’s a case to be answered.


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Sympathies and respect to the victims of these accusations if they have legs, in which case Thomas must never wear the shirt again. £45m down the shitter.


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My post is purely of a football nature ….what do we do…Arteta’s game plan was built around Partey being a dominant mid fielder who can efficiently receive and distribute forward
Who out there can play that role and is EPL proven. Bissouma?…he’s gone maybe Ndidi from Leicester. JWP from the Saints?
Edu and MA have to figure this out a bit sharpish

I really like Bissouma, but I woul've signed him as a Partner for Partey - not a replacement. Hasn't got the skills and the passing range to do what Partey does, he's more of a pure defensive midfielder for me.

I think we need someone in the no 6 role who is not only defensively sound but who can move the ball, and most importantly is press resistant. Who that player is, I'm not sure, but it feels like we need two new central midfielders now, and Tielemans seems like a logical option as one of them.


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Andy Green wrote:

My post is purely of a football nature ….what do we do…Arteta’s game plan was built around Partey being a dominant mid fielder who can efficiently receive and distribute forward
Who out there can play that role and is EPL proven. Bissouma?…he’s gone maybe Ndidi from Leicester. JWP from the Saints?
Edu and MA have to figure this out a bit sharpish


Feels a bit wrong to comment on the footballing consequences however life goes on and I’ve already paid for my season ticket !

I’d say it would be a massive loss. He’s the only midfielder we have who can play on the half turn and receive the ball and beat the press. The other players aren’t confident in this. Also his distribution is way more incisive than what we have with others. Everytime he gets injured we’ve missed him terribly.

Also in addition to this none of the players we’ve been linked with seem obvious replacements for me. Tielemans , savic ? He has the right blend of technical ability, pace and brawn we haven’t seen in a while.

If it’s true Arteta will be fuming. The player seemed central to our rebuild. You will need to recruit but who isn’t obvious to me. Likely someone from leftfield in the french or Italian leagues


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Is it just me or does Marquinhos look like a younger Alexis Sanchez?



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TOP GUN wrote:
Andy Green wrote:

My post is purely of a football nature ….what do we do…Arteta’s game plan was built around Partey being a dominant mid fielder who can efficiently receive and distribute forward
Who out there can play that role and is EPL proven. Bissouma?…he’s gone maybe Ndidi from Leicester. JWP from the Saints?
Edu and MA have to figure this out a bit sharpish


Feels a bit wrong to comment on the footballing consequences however life goes on and I’ve already paid for my season ticket !

I’d say it would be a massive loss. He’s the only midfielder we have who can play on the half turn and receive the ball and beat the press. The other players aren’t confident in this. Also his distribution is way more incisive than what we have with others. Everytime he gets injured we’ve missed him terribly.

Also in addition to this none of the players we’ve been linked with seem obvious replacements for me. Tielemans , savic ? He has the right blend of technical ability, pace and brawn we haven’t seen in a while.

If it’s true Arteta will be fuming. The player seemed central to our rebuild. You will need to recruit but who isn’t obvious to me. Likely someone from leftfield in the french or Italian leagues

Guendouzi? :icon_eek1:

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Feels a bit wrong to comment on the footballing consequences however life goes on and I’ve already paid for my season ticket !

I’d say it would be a massive loss. He’s the only midfielder we have who can play on the half turn and receive the ball and beat the press. The other players aren’t confident in this. Also his distribution is way more incisive than what we have with others. Everytime he gets injured we’ve missed him terribly.

Also in addition to this none of the players we’ve been linked with seem obvious replacements for me. Tielemans , savic ? He has the right blend of technical ability, pace and brawn we haven’t seen in a while.

If it’s true Arteta will be fuming. The player seemed central to our rebuild. You will need to recruit but who isn’t obvious to me. Likely someone from leftfield in the french or Italian leagues

Guendouzi? :icon_eek1:

I’d suggest we need someone who can run in 2 directions forward and backwards rather than just 1. forwards


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Hazuki wrote:
8 goals in 83 games. If we had a forward with that strike rate we'd have to pay 30m for a club to take him.

It's one area where we just need to improve massively - looking at players we want to sell and what they "should" be worth, we should be getting 30-40m at least for Guendouzi. AMN should've been sold for 20m. Mavropanos 10-15. That's basically the Raphinha fee right there.

I agree with you about Guendzouzi’s price. Indeed I think we should have kept him. Had we had him last season I genuinely believe we’d have secured fourth place.


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Boris resign? No chance.

All he has to do is cut the cost of petrol drastically and get someone to sort out the chaotic nhs and everyone will forget all the chinese whispers

The yougov poll some keep referring to is made up of 35% Brexitters and 65% Remoaners. Go figure.

That tells you what it's all about.


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Hazuki wrote:
Rich wrote:
Spurs getting 30m euros for Bergwein from Ajax, that’s a very good deal for Spurs to sell a squad player who has never been first choice

8 goals in 83 games. If we had a forward with that strike rate we'd have to pay 30m for a club to take him.

It's one area where we just need to improve massively - looking at players we want to sell and what they "should" be worth, we should be getting 30-40m at least for Guendouzi. AMN should've been sold for 20m. Mavropanos 10-15. That's basically the Raphinha fee right there.

Our problem is the wages these players are on. Almost certainly way higher than the equivalent Spurs reserve. Unless the player is willing to take a pay cut it drastically limits the selection of clubs we can sell to for a fee, and that limited pool of clubs are elite and don’t want our cast offs.


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Agree with those posting about the Partey issue on purely football terms. Before all this happened I posted he was the most important player in the squad as he was really the only one without a natural replacement or his replacement was such a huge drop off in skill level.

If Partey is out then we have 3 options
Sign a top class replacement - this could be £60m+
Go with Elneny and Lokonga!
Change the system to a double pivot rather than a lone 6

The central mids we’ve been linked with are not Partey type players, none of them play the line 6 role. They can play in a double pivot.

I don’t really know any available players for a reasonable price who replace Partey. Equivalent in the league are Rodri and Fabinho I don’t think many teams even play a lone 6 because it is such a difficult role


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Rich wrote:
Hazuki wrote:
8 goals in 83 games. If we had a forward with that strike rate we'd have to pay 30m for a club to take him.

It's one area where we just need to improve massively - looking at players we want to sell and what they "should" be worth, we should be getting 30-40m at least for Guendouzi. AMN should've been sold for 20m. Mavropanos 10-15. That's basically the Raphinha fee right there.

Our problem is the wages these players are on. Almost certainly way higher than the equivalent Spurs reserve. Unless the player is willing to take a pay cut it drastically limits the selection of clubs we can sell to for a fee, and that limited pool of clubs are elite and don’t want our cast offs.

Guendouzi was only on £49k a week at Arsenal. Even Marseille have presumably at least matched that.


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Rich wrote:
Agree with those posting about the Partey issue on purely football terms. Before all this happened I posted he was the most important player in the squad as he was really the only one without a natural replacement or his replacement was such a huge drop off in skill level.

If Partey is out then we have 3 options
Sign a top class replacement - this could be £60m+
Go with Elneny and Lokonga!
Change the system to a double pivot rather than a lone 6

The central mids we’ve been linked with are not Partey type players, none of them play the line 6 role. They can play in a double pivot.

I don’t really know any available players for a reasonable price who replace Partey. Equivalent in the league are Rodri and Fabinho I don’t think many teams even play a lone 6 because it is such a difficult role


Combination of physical power and technical ability would be required. Only player who really springs to mind is Neves at wolves who would be difficult to sign then cost 55 million quid.

Likely a double pivot with xhaka and a new signing required. An adaptation of Xhakas role probably.

If you watched the Ipswich friendly highlights partey made one pass to play in Nketiah first time that was pure class. Ødegaard aside simply don’t have a player capable of that in his absence .

There would have been a rebuttal by now if it wasn’t him surely. Could be a massive loss


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On this wider issue does anyone know the latest situation with regards to Bissouma? While at Brighton he was accused of sexual misconduct. Not only did he continue playing for Brighton but Tottenham have now actually bought him.

Were the charges against Bissouma dropped, or were they slightly less serious as far as the law is concerned? Maybe sexual assault instead of rape?


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Manchester United have sold Andreas Pereira to Fulham for £13m

Another decent sale for a player with no future at a big club.

Liverpool sold Minamino for £15m to Monaco.

I like our ambition so far in the purchasing department but we need to find new homes and fees for Leno, Mari, Bellerin, Torreira, AMN, Nelson. Other teams are able to do it, there appears to be interest in each of these players. It isn't inconceivable that those 6 players could be sold for the transfer fee Leeds want for Raphinha


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On this wider issue does anyone know the latest situation with regards to Bissouma? While at Brighton he was accused of sexual misconduct. Not only did he continue playing for Brighton but Tottenham have now actually bought him.

Were the charges against Bissouma dropped, or were they slightly less serious as far as the law is concerned? Maybe sexual assault instead of rape?


Charges were dropped Bern.

Can't help but wonder about the timing though. Gets sold at a cut-price £25m - and you wouldn't really doubt that ongoing sexual assault investigations affected his value, making it quite a brave signing. Short time after the transfer, charges get dropped so he's back to being a nice guy and his value is re-instated. Hmmm....


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Bernard wrote:
On this wider issue does anyone know the latest situation with regards to Bissouma? While at Brighton he was accused of sexual misconduct. Not only did he continue playing for Brighton but Tottenham have now actually bought him.

Were the charges against Bissouma dropped, or were they slightly less serious as far as the law is concerned? Maybe sexual assault instead of rape?

Charges were dropped Bern.

Can't help but wonder about the timing though. Gets sold at a cut-price £25m - and you wouldn't really doubt that ongoing sexual assault investigations affected his value, making it quite a brave signing. Short time after the transfer, charges get dropped so he's back to being a nice guy and his value is re-instated. Hmmm....

Many thanks. Presume they were dropped before Brighton started playing him?


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