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Post #364681  Posted: Sat May 07, 2022 3:53 pm 
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Open question to the forum...ratings on Tuchel since becoming Chelsea manager?


I don’t really know what to say. I think he did well to win the champions league last year but look at his bench today.

1Arrizabalaga
4Christensen
14Chalobah
17Saúl
18Barkley
19Mount
22Ziyech
29Havertz
31Sarr

Do you think Artetas public opinion would be affected if he could call on such an Armoury in reserve should things be not working out.

To be honest I think anyone who manages chelsea, united or city is a compete wanker

Klopp gets more respect but not infinite.


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Post #364682  Posted: Sat May 07, 2022 3:54 pm 
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We are all scousers today.

Oh and Brighton.


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Post #364683  Posted: Sat May 07, 2022 4:01 pm 
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Wolves equalize on nearly the last kick of the game against Chelsea. We threw away 3rd. Oh well. No title next year. :42laughter:

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Post #364684  Posted: Sat May 07, 2022 4:02 pm 
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Late Wolves equaliser at Chelsea. Beat Leeds and we're a point behind them with 3 games left.


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Post #364685  Posted: Sat May 07, 2022 4:09 pm 
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What a shocker, Chelsea stumble so late in the game. Long may they keep giving us shocks like these.

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Post #364686  Posted: Sat May 07, 2022 4:26 pm 
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Got your answer Granty :laughing7:


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Post #364687  Posted: Sat May 07, 2022 4:35 pm 
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What’s the minimum we need squad wise to compete next season?

By minimum I guess I mean new players in to compete in the Europa, Premier league and cups. By my reckoning we need:

Another CB to compete/rotate with White and Gabriel
A new RB to rotate with Tomiyasu
A CM
2 strikers/forwards if Eddie leaves.

That’s 5 players.

I’m happy for Saliba to be the 3rd/4th CB with Holding, young player of the season in France after all! Not sure there’s a place for Nelson as well as he’s now doing in the Netherlands and then there’s the question could MN come in as back up RB? With European games he could get 15 starts with sub appearances over the season which is a higher rate than he’s been playing on loan at Roma.

If we went big on a CM and striker I’d be happy with returning loanees giving us depth for rotation but what we’ve seen from this season is these players will definitely play. You’ll be relying on Taveres and M-N at some point if they’re your back up full backs.

Another big summer coming up!


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Post #364688  Posted: Sat May 07, 2022 4:53 pm 
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That’s kind of unlucky. Northampton Town were vying with Bristol Rovers for the final automatic promotion spot today.

Dead level on points but Northampton were 5 goals clear on goal difference before start of play.

A 3-1 away win for Northampton should have been job done.

But Bristol won 7-0 to level up the goal difference and to clinch promotion on goals scored. Very surreal.

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Post #364689  Posted: Sat May 07, 2022 5:39 pm 
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Ash wrote:
What’s the minimum we need squad wise to compete next season?

By minimum I guess I mean new players in to compete in the Europa, Premier league and cups. By my reckoning we need:

Another CB to compete/rotate with White and Gabriel
A new RB to rotate with Tomiyasu
A CM
2 strikers/forwards if Eddie leaves.

That’s 5 players.

I’m happy for Saliba to be the 3rd/4th CB with Holding, young player of the season in France after all! Not sure there’s a place for Nelson as well as he’s now doing in the Netherlands and then there’s the question could MN come in as back up RB? With European games he could get 15 starts with sub appearances over the season which is a higher rate than he’s been playing on loan at Roma.

If we went big on a CM and striker I’d be happy with returning loanees giving us depth for rotation but what we’ve seen from this season is these players will definitely play. You’ll be relying on Taveres and M-N at some point if they’re your back up full backs.

Another big summer coming up!


Assuming Mari leaves and saliba comes in to replace him ..

The minimum

2 strikers
Midfielder
Left back (No way can you rely on Tavares, I can’t recall such a liability. He’s targeted every week. Arteta will know this. Bloke needs to be loaned and a replacement sourced. )

However I think it’s patently obvious Pépé will leave so expect a wide player too. I don’t think we will sign a right back.


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Brighton is turning out to be a tough nut to crack for Man Utd. :42laughter:

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Post #364691  Posted: Sat May 07, 2022 6:01 pm 
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Man U getting humiliated at Brighton. Happy days :26encouragement:


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Post #364692  Posted: Sat May 07, 2022 6:03 pm 
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That Potter bloke seems to know what he is doing.

Sorry Top Gun :1laughter:

Couldn’t resist.

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Post #364693  Posted: Sat May 07, 2022 6:08 pm 
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That Potter bloke seems to know what he is doing.

Sorry Top Gun :1laughter:

Couldn’t resist.


LETS GET POTTER :1laughter:

To be honest I think that new united manager needs to go full Arteta and dismantle that Squad.

That’s is an abysmal showing. Shameful


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Left back (No way can you rely on Tavares, I can’t recall such a liability. He’s targeted every week. Arteta will know this. Bloke needs to be loaned and a replacement sourced. )

Cuccurella at Brighton looks excellent. Might cost a bit though.


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Post #364695  Posted: Sat May 07, 2022 6:11 pm 
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This performance from united reminds me of our home game v city in Emery’s last season.

Players not giving a toss ambling around not running behaving like arseholes. Just downed tools literally and visibly. No wonder Mikel chucked all that lot out.


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Post #364696  Posted: Sat May 07, 2022 6:12 pm 
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bromley gooner wrote:
TOP GUN wrote:
Left back (No way can you rely on Tavares, I can’t recall such a liability. He’s targeted every week. Arteta will know this. Bloke needs to be loaned and a replacement sourced. )

Cuccurella at Brighton looks excellent. Might cost a bit though.

Was thinking exactly the same. He looks terrific. Always offers himself. He would fit in our system too


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Post #364697  Posted: Sat May 07, 2022 6:22 pm 
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long time gooner wrote:
That Potter bloke seems to know what he is doing.

Sorry Top Gun :1laughter:

Couldn’t resist.


It will be their 4th home win of the season.

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Post #364698  Posted: Sat May 07, 2022 6:24 pm 
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I'm sure commentator said that's Trossards first goal of 2022.
Did I just dream his goal against us and spurs then.....


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Post #364699  Posted: Sat May 07, 2022 6:26 pm 
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Curucella has impressed me for a while.
Brilliant player.
Would love him


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Post #364700  Posted: Sat May 07, 2022 6:26 pm 
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Guaranteed top 5 now with that utd defeat


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Post #364701  Posted: Sat May 07, 2022 6:27 pm 
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Come on Liverpool
Batter Spurs please


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Post #364702  Posted: Sat May 07, 2022 6:31 pm 
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david.d wrote:
Come on Liverpool
Batter Spurs please


I expect Spurs to put on a far better performance away to Liverpool than Utd just did away to Brighton.. Having said that, Saturday evening, Liverpool fans should be boozed up and raucous! Sunny day, balmy evening by northern standards, that ferry going back and forth across the Mersey and the Liver birds in full song. 10-0 easy!


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Post #364703  Posted: Sat May 07, 2022 6:33 pm 
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Spurs are such a scummy club and team ......just bloody Sods law they go and pull off a result akin to the away win at City.
Liverpool want that title so surely not...


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Post #364704  Posted: Sat May 07, 2022 6:53 pm 
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grantyboy wrote:
Bernard wrote:
Rangers have beaten Dortmund (2nd in the Bundesliga) in an earlier round and Leipzig (5th in the Bundesliga) in the semi-final tonight. Frankfurt are 11th in the Bundesliga. What’s the betting they balls it up against the weakest German side they’ve faced in this season’s Europa League?

But does league form matter? There was a lot of speculation on here about what would it mean if Wham won the Europa league and my thought at the time was let's see when they win it. Arsenal being no stranger to the same experience. Frankfurt have done something right so I think would be equal odds to beat Rangers.

I would agree that Frankfurt are at least equal odds for the final. My point was more to do with Rangers having already beaten the second and fifth placed Bundesliga sides (Dortmund and Leipzig respectively). With Frankfurt being eleventh they are surely the weakest of the three German sides Rangers have met.


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Post #364705  Posted: Sat May 07, 2022 7:04 pm 
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If you came in and did a full root and branch review of that Man U squad with a long term plan in mind (say 3-5 years) I think I’d probably only make a case for 3-4 players maximum from that group


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Post #364706  Posted: Sat May 07, 2022 7:10 pm 
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Liverpool can play one touch football for days …


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Post #364707  Posted: Sat May 07, 2022 7:44 pm 
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I’m trying to work out if there is actually that much difference for
Top 4 is spurs lose or draw tonight. I’m not sure there is a huge difference.
Lose and draw tonight and then we win our next two and we’d seal top 4

Draw and they are a point behind and we’d have a game in hand. It would maintain the position that a draw in the NLD keeps us in pole position just as a defeat for them would


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C'mon Liverpool, go ahead and score already.

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Post #364709  Posted: Sat May 07, 2022 8:00 pm 
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*%^@* sake Liverpool. Do your bloody job


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Post #364710  Posted: Sat May 07, 2022 8:01 pm 
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Ash wrote:
*%^@* sake Liverpool. Do your bloody job

I can’t believe they’re losing to Spurs. How spurs have the ability to do well against the very best teams so often I have no idea!


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Post #364711  Posted: Sat May 07, 2022 8:14 pm 
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This is a *%^@*** joke.
Liverpool have swept all before them.
Now we need them to beat spurs they are *%^@*** us over.
Cannot believe this.
Even a draw is better than nothing


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Yes!!!!!!!


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Post #364713  Posted: Sat May 07, 2022 8:19 pm 
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Spurs so lucky all game have a deflection go against them. They aren’t in control of the forces of nature and physics at least, which I wasn’t ruling out for how they were *%^@*** managing this!!!


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Post #364714  Posted: Sat May 07, 2022 8:19 pm 
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Equaliser! Come on Liverpool


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My worry now is Liverpool have to go for the win and Spurs could pick them off. A draw isn’t terrible for us. Given how the games gone it’s almost one you’d happily cash out now as a draw as an arsenal fan. If spurs win it changed everything. We’d need 10 points from 12.

If it’s a draw we can win the next 2 and be 4th


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Rich wrote:
My worry now is Liverpool have to go for the win and Spurs could pick them off. A draw isn’t terrible for us. Given how the games gone it’s almost one you’d happily cash out now as a draw as an arsenal fan. If spurs win it changed everything. We’d need 10 points from 12.

If it’s a draw we can win the next 2 and be 4th

Despite wanting City to win the league more than Liverpool, for Arsenal’s sake I think it’s a really disappointing result. Will surely give Tottenham an uplift and the impetus for the North London derby.


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I’m trying to work out how that point (rather than defeat) for spurs could be decisive. It would need a pair of results where we lose and spurs draw(but the draw isn’t the NLD) .which takes them ahead of goal difference.

What it means is that win our next 2 and we’re 4th.

Beat Leeds and draw with Spurs then we’d need to win one of our remaining 2 games to be sure.

Beat Leeds and lose to spurs and we could still win our final 2 and be 4th.

Of course all that relies on beating Leeds! It’s going to be really tough tomorrow


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Bernard wrote:
Rich wrote:
My worry now is Liverpool have to go for the win and Spurs could pick them off. A draw isn’t terrible for us. Given how the games gone it’s almost one you’d happily cash out now as a draw as an arsenal fan. If spurs win it changed everything. We’d need 10 points from 12.

If it’s a draw we can win the next 2 and be 4th

Despite wanting City to win the league more than Liverpool, for Arsenal’s sake I think it’s a really disappointing result. Will surely give Tottenham an uplift and the impetus for the North London derby.

Disappointing for the confidence it gives them, and shows they are playing well. But doesn’t change much in terms of the race for 4th


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Ok result but not what we were hoping for.

Tottenham are the best equipped side to trouble the top two teams. Their counter-attacking pace and prowess enables them to be a threat even when under the kosh. Could and should have won it at the end.

Our run-in is really tough. Tottenham away, two sides fighting for relegation and a resurgent Newcastle away.

We need to win tomorrow and get a draw at least against Spuds.


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Just looked the figures up. Abramovich bought Chelsea in 2003 for £140m. £60m for the club itself and £80m to pay off their debt at the time.

If Rich is right and Abramovich has spent £900k a week on them, then over the nineteen years that equates to £205.2m (£900k x 12 = £10.8m a year. £10.8m x 19 = £205.2m). Add that to the £140m purchase price (the cost of the club at £60m and it’s debt at the time of £80m), and it amounts to £345.2m.

Reports suggest that the preferred bidder for Chelsea, Todd Boehly, is buying (or has bought) the club for £4.3b. Does that not give Abramovich a profit of approaching £4b? Even if Abramovich doesn’t get back the £1.5b that Chelsea are in debt to him for, that’s still a net profit for Abramovich approaching £2.5b. It was a long-term investment that ended up being for nineteen years. But is a £2.5b profit not an investment?

52 weeks in a year. But even so, (900 000 x 52 x 19 =) 889 200 000 + 140 000 000, is well short of £4.3b. So either the figures are wrong or you are right.

I do apologise for multiplying £900k by 12 rather than 52. But as you say, Abramovich’s enforced sale still makes his purchase of Chelsea a very significant financial investment.

But can I return to my post 546531. Do you really feel it’s right to dismiss Kroenke’s funding of Arsenal as non-doping if it’s a financial investment? As I said, say someone paid me so much for my wine collection that I’d not only have the money to buy the club from Stan but recruit so many expensive new players that it blows Sheikh Mansour’s expenditure on City out the water. I guess you’d call that doping.

Similarly Jack Walker’s buying and expenditure on Blackburn to win them the league was nothing remotely like the level you get now. But it was a very rich lifelong Blackburn fan spending his money on the club he loved to enable them to win the league. I guess you’d call that financial doping too.

Myself I think it’s more noble than, if he is, Stan spending money on Arsenal as a financial investment, which I believe is your excuse for saying Kroenke isn’t financially doping us.

As I’ve said before, for me financial doping is a mega rich owner spending money in the transfer market that the club would not have been able to otherwise spend. I see the owner’s motivation as a side issue. For example, I’m not sure the owner doing it as a financial investment or instead simply wanting the club to win trophies is a reason for differentiating between doping or not. As I said in post 546531, if anything I see the wanting the club to win trophies motive as the more moral.


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