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Post #360161  Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2022 5:32 pm 
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I’ve no idea. But Stan is a multi-billionaire businessman. He is going to want tangible results after investing £160m of his money (as he will see it, wherever it comes from). I said that at the time, and it’s blatantly going to be the case. You don’t need a PhD in business science to work that out.

But how soon? We heard lots about the 'project' and using younger players rather then journeymen. It seems contradictory, and downright fickle, to suddenly demand that we come 4th this year. If we wanted immediate results we should have invested in a different profile of player, surely. The fact that we are letting so many players go without replacement (and the temptation is surely to find journeymen to fill gaps, or just not get rid of our own journeymen) suggest that we are more interesting in building up a quality squad in the long run, and waiting for the right players, than finishing fourth. Is Arteta making all those decisions? If he isn't our problems in January were hardly his fault and replacing manager with another unproven one does not seem progressive to me.

But is long term squad building in football always achievable? The obvious example is the talk of Saka leaving, whose contract expires in just over two years. If we don’t get into the Champions League this season, will he renew it this summer? I very much doubt it. Then we’re beginning to get into the nervous will he or won’t he renew period. What if he does go in 2023 or 2024? It arguably will show squad building must be accompanied by results.


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I’ve no idea. Perhaps it is pure speculation or made up nonsense.

But Stan is a multi-billionaire businessman. He is going to want tangible results after investing £160m of his money (as he will see it, wherever it comes from). I said that at the time, and it’s blatantly going to be the case. You don’t need a PhD in Business Management to work that out.

Of course but now when we are having our best league campaign for a while where we have a genuine chance for top 4. He’s not convinced. Doesn’t really stack up.

But he hasn’t invested £160m of his own money, as he will see it, before.


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Of course but now when we are having our best league campaign for a while where we have a genuine chance for top 4. He’s not convinced. Doesn’t really stack up.

But he hasn’t invested £160m of his own money, as he will see it, before.

So all of a sudden he’s become an obsessive and ruthless winner.

Nope don’t see it. I’m calling b%*&s%*^ on this one.


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Post #360164  Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2022 5:41 pm 
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But how soon? We heard lots about the 'project' and using younger players rather then journeymen. It seems contradictory, and downright fickle, to suddenly demand that we come 4th this year. If we wanted immediate results we should have invested in a different profile of player, surely. The fact that we are letting so many players go without replacement (and the temptation is surely to find journeymen to fill gaps, or just not get rid of our own journeymen) suggest that we are more interesting in building up a quality squad in the long run, and waiting for the right players, than finishing fourth. Is Arteta making all those decisions? If he isn't our problems in January were hardly his fault and replacing manager with another unproven one does not seem progressive to me.

But is long term squad building in football always achievable? The obvious example is the talk of Saka leaving, whose contract expires in just over two years. If we don’t get into the Champions League this season, will he renew it this summer? I very much doubt it. Then we’re beginning to get into the nervous will he or won’t he renew period. What if he does go in 2023 or 2024? It arguably will show squad building must be accompanied by results.

Evening Bernard. The way I see it is that the long term squad building route is a very tricky one. Many things can go wrong. However, in a league where we cannot compete financially (apparently) with the top four and now Newcastle, what exactly is the alternative?

Also, the 'project' doesn't preclude splashing out on the occasional top class player-we have seen the appetite for this. (However, it is damned hard to attract those players). What we can't do is get a whole team of these players and consequently we cannot expect that we are going to be contenders immediately.

So it seems odd to me that a steely-eyed businessman like Kroenke would suddenly get the jitters because we had a bad month.

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But he hasn’t invested £160m of his own money, as he will see it, before.

So all of a sudden he’s become an obsessive and ruthless winner.

Nope don’t see it. I’m calling b%*&s%*^ on this one.

And if he has invested so much money you would think it would be a for a long term project. He's not going to change tack just because of a few bumps in the road. Not the time to fold!

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But he hasn’t invested £160m of his own money, as he will see it, before.

So all of a sudden he’s become an obsessive and ruthless winner.

Nope don’t see it. I’m calling b%*&s%*^ on this one.

You could well be right. But I do not see a multi-billionaire businessman expecting tangible results from a £160m investment as the most ridiculous idea. By the way, I would not see getting a top four place as a tangible result making him an obsessive and ruthless winner.


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And if he has invested so much money you would think it would be a for a long term project. He's not going to change tack just because of a few bumps in the road. Not the time to fold!

If he leaves any decision to the end of the season, I would hardly call it changing tack because of a few bumps in the road. Would that have given Arteta approaching three years? Must be two and a half at least.


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Decaf wrote:
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So all of a sudden he’s become an obsessive and ruthless winner.

Nope don’t see it. I’m calling b%*&s%*^ on this one.

And if he has invested so much money you would think it would be a for a long term project. He's not going to change tack just because of a few bumps in the road. Not the time to fold!

Also ignoring the fact it’s made up because he’s “silent Stan” who doesn’t speak to the press anyway let alone tell them he doesn’t like his current manager.


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Bernard wrote:
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And if he has invested so much money you would think it would be a for a long term project. He's not going to change tack just because of a few bumps in the road. Not the time to fold!

If he leaves any decision to the end of the season, I would hardly call it changing tack because of a few bumps in the road. Would that have given Arteta approaching three years? Must be two and a half at least.

True, but the first couple of years were spent sorting out a big mess and surely shouldn't factor into a hard-headed decision about Arteta. In terms of our overall progress (a very good 2021), January 2022 surely registers as just a few bumps in the road.

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So as it stands (still a few hours to go)
Arsenal have no one coming in and lots of fringe players out
Man U have probably lost Greenwood for the run in, also sent VD Beek on loan and had no one come in
Spurs got Kuvelevski and Bentacour in but got rid of Lo Celso, Ndombele and Alli - not sure it makes them much stronger
West Ham haven’t added anyone

We can debate which clubs have stronger squads and depths but in terms of where we were, how we all got here and what is left no one has really laid down a top 4 marker amongst the teams vying for it


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Ornstein now saying there's an agreement between clubs to loan Aubameyang to Barcelona. Six months with option of another year.


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...and we've apparently signed an American defender, who will join the club in the summer. Auston Trusty, 23 years old, plays for the Colorado Rapids in the US.


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Ornstein now saying there's an agreement between clubs to loan Aubameyang to Barcelona. Six months with option of another year.

I read it is essentially him leaving on a free transfer rather than a loan. If so that’s a £27m saving over the next 18 months


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...and we've apparently signed an American defender, who will join the club in the summer. Auston Trusty, 23 years old, plays for the Colorado Rapids in the US.

A signing from another kroenke club regardless of how good he is or if he is what we need. What’s with us signing these players from the mls


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Assuming Aubameyang would no longer be picked for AFC, If they get shot of Aubameyang and sign a striker then its worked out well. However, going into the final part of the season with only Nketiah and Lacazette as our first choice strikers would seem like a ridiculous gamble.


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If we are to sign someone in the final few hours of this window wouldnt there be some news of negotiations?


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If we are to sign someone in the final few hours of this window wouldnt there be some news of negotiations?

Yeah, there would be. Nobody's coming.

It's a huge gamble. If we manage to get a respectable league position (top 6 for me) and the club really invests this summer I can see this being worth it. If we fall further down the table because of a thin squad and we don't recruits heavily this summer, then heads will need to roll.


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Mixed feelings about Aubameyangs departure.

In his prime an explosive striker like few others, single handedly won us an FA cup and got us to a europa final.

Never seen a player decline like it though except maybe ljungberg and the last 2 seasons he hasn’t looked right. Weird that he kept getting covid but was also missing a lot. God knows what was going on behind the seasons and we will never probably find out.

It’s a shame that these transfers seem to end in bad blood all the time. Big part of our team the last few years I wish him well


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Underwhelmed, totally.

Fingers crossed for the remainder of the season.

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Also ignoring the fact it’s made up because he’s “silent Stan” who doesn’t speak to the press anyway let alone tell them he doesn’t like his current manager.

Although it is feasible he said something to somebody who wasn’t in the press, but it eventually reached a reporter.


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Also ignoring the fact it’s made up because he’s “silent Stan” who doesn’t speak to the press anyway let alone tell them he doesn’t like his current manager.

Although it is feasible he said something to somebody who wasn’t in the press, but it eventually reached a reporter.

Unlikely and even less so in a couple of days Or whatever it’s been. It didn’t happen. Made up.


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Although it is feasible he said something to somebody who wasn’t in the press, but it eventually reached a reporter.

Unlikely and even less so in a couple of days Or whatever it’s been. It didn’t happen. Made up.

Is is really that unlikely? Stan will speak to others not only in his family but KSE. That is guaranteed as it’s inevitable. I don’t think it’s outlandish to imagine someone mentioning what he said to someone with links to the press.


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Unlikely and even less so in a couple of days Or whatever it’s been. It didn’t happen. Made up.

Is is really that unlikely? Stan will speak to others not only in his family but KSE. That is guaranteed as it’s inevitable. I don’t think it’s outlandish to imagine someone mentioning what he said to someone with links to the press.

2 points off fourth place with a game in hand. Best position we’ve been in for a few seasons at this stage. Doesn’t make sense at all.

Made up.


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If we are to sign someone in the final few hours of this window wouldnt there be some news of negotiations?

Yeah, there would be. Nobody's coming.

It's a huge gamble. If we manage to get a respectable league position (top 6 for me) and the club really invests this summer I can see this being worth it. If we fall further down the table because of a thin squad and we don't recruits heavily this summer, then heads will need to roll.

Our chance of ending up in the top 6 pretty small if we don't get someone at the last moment. We are a couple of injuries / red cards away from crisis. Then the fans will be calling for blood, our best players will want out, and we won't be able to buy ambitious players, even if we have the money. Last summer there was some buoyancy because of our decent 2nd half of the season. We are setting ourselves up for the opposite. It seems reckless in the extreme.

I'm really scratching my head here.

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Our chance of ending up in the top 6 pretty small if we don't get someone at the last moment.

I don't necessarily agree with that... If we get a bunch of injuries we might be in trouble, but if our key players stay fit we have a decent chance of top four with the players we have. It is a gamble of course, but we haven't really lost anyone who was important for something other than squad depth.


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Is is really that unlikely? Stan will speak to others not only in his family but KSE. That is guaranteed as it’s inevitable. I don’t think it’s outlandish to imagine someone mentioning what he said to someone with links to the press.

2 points off fourth place with a game in hand. Best position we’ve been in for a few seasons at this stage. Doesn’t make sense at all.

Made up.

But he’s only just spent money. He is going to not just want but expect something back for that. For all I know it might be made up. But we cannot be sure, one way or the other.


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According to the BBC, Ramsey is in Glasgow for a medical with Rangers.


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2 points off fourth place with a game in hand. Best position we’ve been in for a few seasons at this stage. Doesn’t make sense at all.

Made up.

But he’s only just spent money. He is going to not just want but expect something back for that. For all I know it might be made up. But we cannot be sure, one way or the other.

Yes we can we know it’s nonsense because we were clearly pursuing vlahovic and espanyol said we enquired about their striker too. He wasnt being deprived funds by the owner.

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It’s being reported that Mbappe has reached an agreement with Real Madrid for a summer transfer from PSG. His annual salary will be £41.5m.

Whatever happened to being ‘broke’? Same goes for Barcelona really. Financial Fair Play. Yeah, right.


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But he’s only just spent money. He is going to not just want but expect something back for that. For all I know it might be made up. But we cannot be sure, one way or the other.

Yes we can we know it’s nonsense because we were clearly pursuing vlahovic and espanyol said we enquired about their striker too. He wasnt being deprived funds by the owner.

Made up

How serious was that attempt? Mcquilkie questioned how much time we’d wasted on an attempt to get a player it seemed had zero interest in joining Arsenal, and that’s a reasonable point.

I suppose I’m just not so pig-headed to write off with apparent contempt any rumour I don’t like as made up.


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Yes we can we know it’s nonsense because we were clearly pursuing vlahovic and espanyol said we enquired about their striker too. He wasnt being deprived funds by the owner.

Made up

How serious was that attempt? Mcquilkie questioned how much time we’d wasted on an attempt to get a player it seemed had zero interest in joining Arsenal, and that’s a reasonable point.

I suppose I’m just not so pig-headed to write off with apparent contempt any rumour I don’t like as made up.

If we were willing to spend 60 million it’s serious. Plus we’ve signed 2 other players from the MLS. He’s not being deprived of funds. Made up


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How serious was that attempt? Mcquilkie questioned how much time we’d wasted on an attempt to get a player it seemed had zero interest in joining Arsenal, and that’s a reasonable point.

I suppose I’m just not so pig-headed to write off with apparent contempt any rumour I don’t like as made up.

If we were willing to spend 60 million it’s serious. Plus we’ve signed 2 other players from the MLS. He’s not being deprived of funds. Made up

Does every offer have to be a serious offer? I heard a different pundit yesterday who questioned how seriously Arsenal went for Vlahovic, considering the pundit said he was a second rate, or was it second tier striker. Second something anyway. He allegedly had no interest in joining Arsenal. We could have offered Fiorentina £70m and apparently he wouldn’t have considered joining us.


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If we were willing to spend 60 million it’s serious. Plus we’ve signed 2 other players from the MLS. He’s not being deprived of funds. Made up

Does every offer have to be a serious offer? I heard a different pundit yesterday who questioned how seriously Arsenal went for Vlahovic, considering the pundit said he was a second rate, or was it second tier striker. Second something anyway. He allegedly had no interest in joining Arsenal. We could have offered Fiorentina £70m and apparently he wouldn’t have considered joining us.

But we have signed other players. He can’t be depriving his manager of funds if we are doing this. Clearly we aren’t signing a striker because we couldn’t get our main target and didn’t fancy the other ones available

We weren’t pursuing vlahovic because kroenke wanted to throw our fans off the scent that he actually hates his manager. :laughing7:


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But we have signed other players. He can’t be depriving his manager of funds if we are doing this. Clearly we aren’t signing a striker because we couldn’t get our main target and didn’t fancy the other ones available

We weren’t pursuing vlahovic because kroenke wanted to throw our fans off the scent that he actually hates his manager. :laughing7:

How much was spent on the two players from America? If you look back the bloke had questioned whether Kroenke stills thinks it’s sensible to let Arteta spend big money.

I actually suspect it’s perfectly feasible Kroenke approved a £60m offer if Edu had told him there was no chance of signing him. I’m sadly not a multi-billionaire but I imagine it’s a business practice to throw people off the scent of what’s really going on.

Who has said Stan hates Arteta? Or is that just one of you over the top exaggerations?


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According to the BBC, Ramsey is in Glasgow for a medical with Rangers.

Rangers official website has indeed confirmed the signing of Aaron Ramsey. A loan deal until the end of the season.

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Wonder if there’ll be any late confirmations of deals now the transfer window has been closed for around an hour and a half? Specifically, will Aubameyang get his move to Barcelona?


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Wonder if there’ll be any late confirmations of deals now the transfer window has been closed for around an hour and a half? Specifically, will Aubameyang get his move to Barcelona?


Aubameyang is done according to this dude although not sure if it's photoshopped.

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The meltdown on social media: hilarious. People would prefer to buy anyone rather than only a quality player.

It’s a hard sell for anyone wanting a quality forward in; can you guarantee me European football - no, can the manager deal with a diverse range of personalities: no it’s like a girls school - your no longer my friend and I want you out of the club despite this costing the club large amounts of money; what happened to the last forward who the manager demanded the club sign him to a longer contract; no one has any idea what went wrong; what trophies can I win for the rest of the season - nothing.

As long as we get at least Europa Lesgue he will probably keep his job. Yeah give me some paper and I’ll sign for you rather than…..

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Our worst transfer window yet, will we live to regret this?
4th is within our grasp, but will we continue to lose ground again?

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