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Post #360001  Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 2:06 pm 
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'66 Cup final. Everton vs Wednesday. I loved this video for a few reasons. First, its in color. Second, they showed the locker room prior and you can see and feel the nervousness of both sides. The third, is camera angles I haven't seen in prior '60s videos.

I didn't look up the score beforehand. I prefer it that way. It was an exciting game.


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I never knew just how good Everton was in the '80s. Liverpool and them both very good at the same time must have had that city rocking. I can only imagine. I can also only imagine just how much intracity violence, hooliganism, that probably went on there. I'm guessing at that.


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Post #360003  Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 2:39 pm 
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Nketiah to Newcastle it seems. We are definitely bringing in a striker.

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I never knew just how good Everton was in the '80s. Liverpool and them both very good at the same time must have had that city rocking. I can only imagine. I can also only imagine just how much intracity violence, hooliganism, that probably went on there. I'm guessing at that.


And just as Everton qualified for the European Cup they found themselves banned as a consequence of the Juventus vs Liverpool disaster.

This later affected Arsenal too of course.

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Nketiah to Newcastle it seems. We are definitely bringing in a striker.

You’re ahead of the game with that news about Nketiah. Hope that you’re right about incoming but I’m not that optimistic.

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Post #360006  Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 2:52 pm 
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It’s easier to list the players Newcastle aren’t signing at this point. Utterly crazy


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Post #360007  Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 2:54 pm 
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Sell them! Sell them all !!!


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long time gooner wrote:
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Nketiah to Newcastle it seems. We are definitely bringing in a striker.

You’re ahead of the game with that news about Nketiah. Hope that you’re right about incoming but I’m not that optimistic.

If Nketiah goes and Aubameyang remains in exile I think that leaves us with just 19 first team players.
GK: Ramsdale, Leno
RB: Tomiyasu, Cédric
LB: Tierney, Tavares
CB: Gabriel, White, Holding
CM: Partey, Xhaka, Lokonga, Elneny
AM: Ødegaard
LW: Emile Smith Rowe, Martinelli
RW: Saka, Pépé
FW: Lacazette

Feels like we need at least 3-4 players in if this is the state of affairs. Surely at least 2 will come but we've backed ourselves in to a corner a bit so may end up panicking or overpaying. We might have more players on loan that available to pick for the next game!


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Rich wrote:
long time gooner wrote:
You’re ahead of the game with that news about Nketiah. Hope that you’re right about incoming but I’m not that optimistic.

If Nketiah goes and Aubameyang remains in exile I think that leaves us with just 19 first team players.
GK: Ramsdale, Leno
RB: Tomiyasu, Cédric
LB: Tierney, Tavares
CB: Gabriel, White, Holding
CM: Partey, Xhaka, Lokonga, Elneny
AM: Ødegaard
LW: Emile Smith Rowe, Martinelli
RW: Saka, Pépé
FW: Lacazette

Feels like we need at least 3-4 players in if this is the state of affairs. Surely at least 2 will come but we've backed ourselves in to a corner a bit so may end up panicking or overpaying. We might have more players on loan that available to pick for the next game!


Old school, retro football. Small squad, 70 games. When football were played by men and not softies more worried about what side they preferred the cameras to capture and their instagram photos. :53big-emoticons:

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Post #360010  Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 4:39 pm 
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Total Premier League minutes played, 2021-2022
Ainsley Maitland Niles - 268
Pablo Mari - 180
Cal Chambers - 170
Sead Kolasinac - 91
Eddie Nketiah - 55
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Post #360011  Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 5:20 pm 
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Reading about the potential deals in this window really highlights the stupid nature of football.

This or that player might leave on a loan without an obligation but first the selling club themselves need to get a new player in on a loan without an obligation to allow the other loan to take place. I mean you wot ! There’s probably more loans than actual transfers, at what point do they say we won’t bother.

They should ban loans to ensure there’s more accountability and ownership from the players and clubs


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Post #360012  Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:00 pm 
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Reading about the potential deals in this window really highlights the stupid nature of football.

This or that player might leave on a loan without an obligation but first the selling club themselves need to get a new player in on a loan without an obligation to allow the other loan to take place. I mean you wot ! There’s probably more loans than actual transfers, at what point do they say we won’t bother.

They should ban loans to ensure there’s more accountability and ownership from the players and clubs

FIFA are looking to bring in rules to limit the amount of loans a team can send out. Under 21's are exempt. The original point of loans was for young players to get experience, certainly not for teams to hoard talent and then just loan out the weakest of that very expensive group. I didn't understand the point of a loan with obligation deals when they first started happening but it all seems to be just an accounting trick to manoeuvre about any financial regulations.


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I also have no doubt agents use Arsenal (and other clubs) names with supposed interest in order to get their clients new deals. Danilo in brazil and Cody Gakpo were both recently linked to Arsenal and both less than 2 weeks later signed new deals with their respective clubs.


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Post #360014  Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:28 pm 
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Barcelona and Juve have made official approaches to take Aubameyang on loan until the summer.

If we can't get a striker in you'd have to turn it down.

However, if we can and if we want to be rid of Aubameyang permanently in the summer (still 1 year left on his deal at that point) then sending him on loan to a huge european club in the hope he gets some form and entices them to move permanently wouldn't be the worst strategic move


I would let him go even without any signings. Aubameyang can no longer be trusted to give his best. Too professionally immature as a player, let alone as Captain. I can't see him wanting to help Arteta achieve his goal after being publicly dropped.

We should have a new striker by next week.

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Saliba was named in the French league team of the week for the 8th time this season. If we hadn't already signed him we and many others would be all over him. We need to make sure this goes right when he comes back in the summer.
Every top club in the world is looking for CB who are: Tall, quick, strong, technically excellent, good passers, front foot defenders rather than sliding tackle types and young........ Van Dijk kind of raised the bar here and that is what everyone is now looking for.


I fear we've already lost him. We messed him up after signing him. Don't think he wants to play for Arteta. He made a telling comment when asked about Arsenal. Instead of commenting about his role and/or desire regards Arsenal, he stated he is happy at Marseille.

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Darren wrote:
Nketiah to Newcastle it seems. We are definitely bringing in a striker.


Was hoping he would come good, and surprised how poor he is. Good sale if it happens.

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Rich wrote:
I also have no doubt agents use Arsenal (and other clubs) names with supposed interest in order to get their clients new deals. Danilo in brazil and Cody Gakpo were both recently linked to Arsenal and both less than 2 weeks later signed new deals with their respective clubs.


Guillem Balagué Was on the radio the other night saying he gets calls from agents asking to talk about their player suggesting clubs are involved to essentially put the player in the shop window.

I guess it’s a trade off so when he needs a story they also comply. You scratch my back


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Nketiah to Newcastle it seems. We are definitely bringing in a striker.


Was hoping he would come good, and surprised how poor he is. Good sale if it happens.

Offer is meant to be £9.5m


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Agreed G7
I think Sailba has mentally burnt his bridges with us.
Sending him out on loan again was the last straw for him and he must think Arteta doesn't rate him.
He is playing every week for Marseille.
Why on earth would he want to come and be 3rd in the pecking order behind white and Gabriel.
Huge shame we will never see him play for our first team.
He has all the attributes to be a success.


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Huge shame we will never see him play for our first team.
He has all the attributes to be a success.

If he doesn’t it’s a question I’ve asked before. Will Saliba be the most expensive player to have never played a competitive game for his new club? There was that guy, Emiliano Saka, who died in a plane crash shortly after joining Cardiff, but I don’t think he cost £27m.


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Rich wrote:
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Was hoping he would come good, and surprised how poor he is. Good sale if it happens.

Offer is meant to be £9.5m


Good price, grab it!

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Huge shame we will never see him play for our first team.
He has all the attributes to be a success.

If he doesn’t it’s a question I’ve asked before. Will Saliba be the most expensive player to have never played a competitive game for his new club? There was that guy, Emiliano Saka, who died in a plane crash shortly after joining Cardiff, but I don’t think he cost £27m.

In comparative prices Clive Allen may be our most expensive player to never play. Paid 1.25 million around 1980. Given what that was worth at the time it was a lot of money.

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david.d wrote:
I think Sailba has mentally burnt his bridges with us.
Sending him out on loan again was the last straw for him and he must think Arteta doesn't rate him.
He is playing every week for Marseille.
Why on earth would he want to come and be 3rd in the pecking order behind white and Gabriel.
Huge shame we will never see him play for our first team.
He has all the attributes to be a success.


Saliba was well scouted. As I understand it, the intangibles are researched as well: attitude, etc,
So, his personality was not a mystery to anyone. We haven't gotten the full story. We haven't heard both sides. We haven't heard much of anything frankly. Its the first thing I will look for when the documentary comes out.

Till this day I don't know what Podolski did wrong. I recall someone, a player, coach, not sure saying he was one of the most clinical finishers he saw. But he was frozen out for whatever reason(s). Joel Campbell, an Asian player I can't seem to recall (Japanese?). Didn't we make a panic buy for some vet that never played and was a head scratcher?

Saliba was out before he kicked a ball. On the surface, ability doesn't seem like the likely reason. It's something to do with character, personality, attitude, said intangibles.

If he ends up somewhere else, which seems likely at this point. I'd be surprised if he signs another contract, then perhaps he'll feel free to speak on his side. I am also a bit surprised no one of note has made a bid to buy him. This one is a big mystery. A shame.

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Gaz from Oz wrote:
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If he doesn’t it’s a question I’ve asked before. Will Saliba be the most expensive player to have never played a competitive game for his new club? There was that guy, Emiliano Saka, who died in a plane crash shortly after joining Cardiff, but I don’t think he cost £27m.

In comparative prices Clive Allen may be our most expensive player to never play. Paid 1.25 million around 1980. Given what that was worth at the time it was a lot of money.

That’s true. £1.25m back then was probably worth more in the transfer market than £27m when Saliba joined. At least Allen was used to get who I still see as the club’s greatest left back since I’ve been watching them.

I still think ‘greatest of all time’ is a nonsense phrase to use, unless you’ve been watching Arsenal since 1886, and will live until the club no longer exists.

Actually, OMOH and LTG may well be entitled to use the term.


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Bernard wrote:
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In comparative prices Clive Allen may be our most expensive player to never play. Paid 1.25 million around 1980. Given what that was worth at the time it was a lot of money.

That’s true. £1.25m back then was probably worth more in the transfer market than £27m when Saliba joined. At least Allen was used to get who I still see as the club’s greatest left back since I’ve been watching them.

I still think ‘greatest of all time’ is a nonsense phrase to use, unless you’ve been watching Arsenal since 1886, and will live until the club no longer exists.

Actually, OMOH and LTG may well be entitled to use the term.

Yes that was a pretty good player we obtained as a result of the deal. And Allen never really set Division 1 alight.

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Puzzling just why we invested so much time in this pursuit. Never once did it look plausible.

https://metro.co.uk/2022/01/28/dusan-vl ... vgr2Xt-koM

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Keep an eye on the relevance here and watch this space

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Puzzling just why we invested so much time in this pursuit. Never once did it look plausible.

https://metro.co.uk/2022/01/28/dusan-vl ... vgr2Xt-koM

I concur with your views.

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Puzzling just why we invested so much time in this pursuit. Never once did it look plausible.

https://metro.co.uk/2022/01/28/dusan-vl ... vgr2Xt-koM


Hi ltg,

It was a bit odd. Maybe we got flirty signals that made us think he could be persuaded. However, given the need for a CF it does seem a little remiss to have let it play out for so long, especially if it leaves us short of striking options.

It does seem a little mad to let all these squad players go when we are effectively only just half way through the season. A spate of injuries or a covid cases and we could be in big trouble.


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Puzzling just why we invested so much time in this pursuit. Never once did it look plausible.

https://metro.co.uk/2022/01/28/dusan-vl ... vgr2Xt-koM


"...had been coveted by Arsenal but Vlahovic had little interest in joining the Gunners and has instead signed for a club that can offer a regular diet of Champions League football."

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I enjoy not knowing the score beforehand. Also, hearing names banded about on here but never seen.


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There's a nifty little player named George Best in this game. Not too bad actually.


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Radford isn't too bad as well.

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I think its the reverse fixture. Not sure. Yeah, that Radford boy isn't that bad. The referees were helping Man Utd even back then it seems.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EkiKgsT3rc&list=TLPQMjkwMTIwMjL8tgqQtBn6gQ&index=2

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Bernard wrote:

I still think ‘greatest of all time’ is a nonsense phrase to use, unless you’ve been watching Arsenal since 1886, and will live until the club no longer exists.

Actually, OMOH and LTG may well be entitled to use the term.


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Bernard wrote:
Gaz from Oz wrote:
In comparative prices Clive Allen may be our most expensive player to never play. Paid 1.25 million around 1980. Given what that was worth at the time it was a lot of money.

That’s true. £1.25m back then was probably worth more in the transfer market than £27m when Saliba joined. At least Allen was used to get who I still see as the club’s greatest left back since I’ve been watching them.

I still think ‘greatest of all time’ is a nonsense phrase to use, unless you’ve been watching Arsenal since 1886, and will live until the club no longer exists.

Actually, OMOH and LTG may well be entitled to use the term.

I’m flattered that you think that I will live until the club no longer exists. Although that is a little worrying for the club.

Possibly more likely if we were Derby County.

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Ash wrote:
Bernard wrote:

I still think ‘greatest of all time’ is a nonsense phrase to use, unless you’ve been watching Arsenal since 1886, and will live until the club no longer exists.

Actually, OMOH and LTG may well be entitled to use the term.


:happy11: :happy11: :happy11:

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I'll tell you about my conversation with Henry Norris one day...

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Aussie winning tennis Slam - maybe all is not so bad in our crazy world. Oh my Margaret and Evonne from so long ago...

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Another of our players at the ACON. He had quite flown under the radar for me.

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I still think ‘greatest of all time’ is a nonsense phrase to use, unless you’ve been watching Arsenal since 1886, and will live until the club no longer exists.

Actually, OMOH and LTG may well be entitled to use the term.

I’m flattered that you think that I will live until the club no longer exists. Although that is a little worrying for the club.

Possibly more likely if we were Derby County.

Well you did get the Victoria Cross at Agincourt, although I suppose it was the Henry V Cross then.


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