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Post #359881  Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2022 10:22 pm 
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OMOH mentioned the 1930s for stellar names. Alan Ball in the early seventies was most definitely a stellar name too.


Malcolm Mac? Ian Wright?


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Malcolm Mac? Ian Wright?


Charlie Nicholas

Indeed. He was the hottest player in British football at the time and foreign transfers were incredibly rare so he was basically the most sought after player around. With Liverpool and Man Utd both looking to sign him, that really was a monster transfer.

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Post #359883  Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2022 11:14 pm 
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Definitely Charlie Nicholas

Also people forget but David Platt at the time he signed was quite a biggie as he was England captain and probably the best player in the England national side and certainly high profile. Seemed a very un-Arsenal signing to me. Obviously he ended up being disappointing a bit.


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True, but our club has not been transferring in the stellar names for generations - you probably have to go back to the 1930s for that. Dennis apart, when have we eaten off the top dishes on the table? Pretty much all of our success has come through a combination of shrewd buying and bringing through and developing young guys.

Not sure that’s true Old Man.

In recent times, Sanchez, PEA, Pépé, Partey, White, Ramsdale - all highly regarded and bought for their asking prices.

We are in the game.
All very good players, but nowhere near stellar when we bought them - Aubameyang closest of all. Actually I forgot Özil who was top dining.

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Not sure that’s true Old Man.

In recent times, Sanchez, PEA, Pépé, Partey, White, Ramsdale - all highly regarded and bought for their asking prices.

We are in the game.

OMOH mentioned the 1930s for stellar names. Alan Ball in the early seventies was most definitely a stellar name too.

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DHD wrote:
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OMOH mentioned the 1930s for stellar names. Alan Ball in the early seventies was most definitely a stellar name too.


Malcolm Mac? Ian Wright?
Mac was very good, not stellar. Wright was not stellar when we bought him, but became so.

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kiwipete wrote:
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Malcolm Mac? Ian Wright?


Charlie Nicholas
Stella not stellar.

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Telegraph saying Isak would be unsure about a move to us.

I’m honestly not sure what you do here. The only option at signing proven strikers is literally paying through the roof and so much money the club and player can’t turn it down. I think that’s why Chelsea signed Lukaku, I mean they had him previously but they looked at the market and he was the best available.

I dunno wether you could delve into the championship and sign a promising striker there for a much lower cost as a temporary fix so we at least get an option.

It’s not as if that has worked out for Chelsea

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Charlie Nicholas

Indeed. He was the hottest player in British football at the time and foreign transfers were incredibly rare so he was basically the most sought after player around. With Liverpool and Man Utd both looking to sign him, that really was a monster transfer.

On the money Dec ...
Remember at the time either Souness or Dalgleish maybe both ..desperately playing the Jock card to convince Charlie to join Liverpool .

They were very p**sy when he joined us .
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So, has our rivals (the top 6 places) brought in anyone of note so far? The big question is if we don't bring anyone in, will we be able to cope? Yes, it will be harder, but I still maintain we can if 1. we stay healthy. 2. We start playing well against the the teams below us. The squad can be forgiven losing to City and Liverpool, as long as we made it difficult for them and we did. Losign to Forest and drawing Burnley isn't what top 4 clubs do. 3. We utilise anyone who can be of help. Pépé, Aubameyang, whomever, for rotation especially. Legs will start getting tired around March before the final push.

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Spurs have on average 8,284 empty seats for each of their home games this season, the highest in the league. Losing them a potential £160k per match


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Telegraph saying Isak would be unsure about a move to us.

I’m honestly not sure what you do here. The only option at signing proven strikers is literally paying through the roof and so much money the club and player can’t turn it down. I think that’s why Chelsea signed Lukaku, I mean they had him previously but they looked at the market and he was the best available.

I dunno wether you could delve into the championship and sign a promising striker there for a much lower cost as a temporary fix so we at least get an option.

It’s not as if that has worked out for Chelsea

But he has the necessary attributes for a striker and is an option for them

We have 1 who is scared of the penalty area and another when can only play in the opposing 6 yard box


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It’s not as if that has worked out for Chelsea

But he has the necessary attributes for a striker and is an option for them

We have 1 who is scared of the penalty area and another when can only play in the opposing 6 yard box

We have a third striker who is proven top quality over several years, but he's in exile.

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Ian Ure £60000 was a world record transfer fee for a centre half back in the day.


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dec wrote:
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But he has the necessary attributes for a striker and is an option for them

We have 1 who is scared of the penalty area and another when can only play in the opposing 6 yard box

We have a third striker who is proven top quality over several years, but he's in exile.

Whilst he would be useful right now he’s looked shot this year. He missed some absolutely ridiculous chances . The one that sticks in my mind is Everton away when he put it wide but also Lacazette hit one at the keeper from 6 yards.

We’ve missed some absolutely criminal chances I shudder to think where we would be if we had took even half of them


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Ian Ure £60000 was a world record transfer fee for a centre half back in the day.
Thanks for mentioning him. He had a big reputation following Dundee's run in Europe. A favourite of mine - a professional in his personal preparation and attitude towards the game in an era when that wasn't always the case with the players. If I have posted this before apologies, but on including him in my team of the Drought Years I once wrote:

"I have to select a man who admitted in his autobiography that he only became a footballer because as an unemployed eighteen year-old he had nothing better to do! Ure’s resilient and self-sufficient character was born out of his working-class upbringing in Ayr. He was only fifteen when his father died, and he soon learned how to look after his family. He put the hours in to make himself a model professional player, and wanted others to respect his worth. He could be hard-nosed and as unflinching in his contract bargaining as he was in the tackle. Arsenal was always his team as a lad, so when he moved south from Dundee in 1963 Highbury was a natural home. Ure was tall and lean, and his head of hair, as white as gin, gave him a striking presence. He was always immaculately turned out and fastidious as his team mate Jim Furnell recalled. ‘He had new white laces in his sparkling boots, new studs and meticulously taped his shin guards on. The tapes had to be spot-on, all the same length. He’d try about six pairs of shorts on until he got it right. He was unbelievable. Then Frank McLintock would ruffle his hair up and he’d go mad. Frank did that once before a team photo and when Ian saw his hair was ruffed up he ripped the photo up!’ Some may remember Ian Ure as a perfect combination of imperfections, especially when his mistakes led to losses, but considering he often had scant supporting cover from his midfield or attacking colleagues, he was mostly magnificent. He is in my side alongside Simpson and Neill as a carver of meat for men."

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TOP GUN wrote:
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We have a third striker who is proven top quality over several years, but he's in exile.

Whilst he would be useful right now he’s looked shot this year. He missed some absolutely ridiculous chances . The one that sticks in my mind is Everton away when he put it wide but also Lacazette hit one at the keeper from 6 yards.

We’ve missed some absolutely criminal chances I shudder to think where we would be if we had took even half of them

Of course he hasn't played well, but we know he has the ability. His finishing stats are not terrible this season though. XG of 6.89 against 4 goals scored. He missed 2 penos. Now, for a player of his quality that is not good enough. There are more problems with our attacking than just poor finishing.

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Spurs have on average 8,284 empty seats for each of their home games this season, the highest in the league. Losing them a potential £160k per match

How much their official attendances are lower than the capacity is surely the burning issue though. I presume they measure official attendances like Arsenal: seats sold rather than people inside the ground. If they sell every, or at least most, games out it may not be too much of a problem if 8,284 (on average) don’t bother turning up?

Having said that, Tottenham’s fan base is smaller than Arsenal’s. I’ve always wondered if their motivation for having a slightly bigger stadium than us had more to do with having the largest club ground in London (until or unless Chelsea build one, as isn’t West Ham’s 60k) than actually filling it game in, game out?


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Ian Ure £60000 was a world record transfer fee for a centre half back in the day.

Great on Quizball.

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dec wrote:
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Whilst he would be useful right now he’s looked shot this year. He missed some absolutely ridiculous chances . The one that sticks in my mind is Everton away when he put it wide but also Lacazette hit one at the keeper from 6 yards.

We’ve missed some absolutely criminal chances I shudder to think where we would be if we had took even half of them

Of course he hasn't played well, but we know he has the ability. His finishing stats are not terrible this season though. XG of 6.89 against 4 goals scored. He missed 2 penos. Now, for a player of his quality that is not good enough. There are more problems with our attacking than just poor finishing.

There are but our poor finishing is a major component.

I don’t know how that stats can reflect anything positive about his finishing this season. Stats are misleading. He’s missed so many chances an average striker would take, one at Newcastle from 6 yards out and just so many come to mind.

Play Lacazette and our build up play is better but we will miss many chances, play Aubameyang and we will have slightly better finishing although not this season but weaker build up play.


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omoh, ltg, etc, always get my curiosity about former players piqued.




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long time gooner wrote:
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Ian Ure £60000 was a world record transfer fee for a centre half back in the day.

Great on Quizball.



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And when we got there the cupboard was bare. Not a striker to be found.

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I haven't been paying much attention to the back pages. Has there been any big name or significant transfers so far in the league? I heard one or two I think.

Now, this is NOT an excuse for our inaction. I thought we'd have someone in by mid month with the buzz at the new year. Do our rivals have any new names?

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old man of hoy wrote:
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Ian Ure £60000 was a world record transfer fee for a centre half back in the day.
Thanks for mentioning him. He had a big reputation following Dundee's run in Europe. A favourite of mine - a professional in his personal preparation and attitude towards the game in an era when that wasn't always the case with the players. If I have posted this before apologies, but on including him in my team of the Drought Years I once wrote:

"I have to select a man who admitted in his autobiography that he only became a footballer because as an unemployed eighteen year-old he had nothing better to do! Ure’s resilient and self-sufficient character was born out of his working-class upbringing in Ayr. He was only fifteen when his father died, and he soon learned how to look after his family. He put the hours in to make himself a model professional player, and wanted others to respect his worth. He could be hard-nosed and as unflinching in his contract bargaining as he was in the tackle. Arsenal was always his team as a lad, so when he moved south from Dundee in 1963 Highbury was a natural home. Ure was tall and lean, and his head of hair, as white as gin, gave him a striking presence. He was always immaculately turned out and fastidious as his team mate Jim Furnell recalled. ‘He had new white laces in his sparkling boots, new studs and meticulously taped his shin guards on. The tapes had to be spot-on, all the same length. He’d try about six pairs of shorts on until he got it right. He was unbelievable. Then Frank McLintock would ruffle his hair up and he’d go mad. Frank did that once before a team photo and when Ian saw his hair was ruffed up he ripped the photo up!’ Some may remember Ian Ure as a perfect combination of imperfections, especially when his mistakes led to losses, but considering he often had scant supporting cover from his midfield or attacking colleagues, he was mostly magnificent. He is in my side alongside Simpson and Neill as a carver of meat for men."

Thanks for that. Ian Ure was in the side when I started going and was my first favourite player. Made a mistake against Swindon in the League Cup final but my dad rated him highly and so did I. Then came his performances in Quiz Ball, which he practically won for Arsenal on his own.

I was sad when he moved on.


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Great on Quizball.



Swinging sixties eh? The audience look like they are from decades earlier. Just got to love the Forest captain sitting there smoking a pipe.

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And when we got there the cupboard was bare. Not a striker to be found.

https://newsjust24all.com/alexander-isa ... ayOHluAj4c
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And when we got there the cupboard was bare. Not a striker to be found.

https://newsjust24all.com/alexander-isa ... ayOHluAj4c

Midfielders in short supply too.

https://www.skysports.com/share/12525774

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And when we got there the cupboard was bare. Not a striker to be found.

https://newsjust24all.com/alexander-isa ... ayOHluAj4c
Mitrovic?


I don’t know if this comment was tongue in cheek but I suggested something like this yesterday. Pull the best striker we can find out the championship as a back up that can fill in short term.

I can’t believe there aren’t players there that would be an upgrade on Nketiah. At least you would have some options


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I am absolutely stunned that Guimares is happy to go to Newcastle.
I thought he would laugh them out of town despite the prospect of big wages.
I thought he would want a higher profile club in a better league position but it seems money does talk and maybe an indication that they will be able to attract top class players after all.
We should be all over Guimares at the money quoted but looks like we are not biting.
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I am absolutely stunned that Guimares is happy to go to Newcastle.
I thought he would laugh them out of town despite the prospect of big wages.
I thought he would want a higher profile club in a better league position but it seems money does talk and maybe an indication that they will be able to attract top class players after all.
We should be all over Guimares at the money quoted but looks like we are not biting.
Desperately need a midfielder and striker.

As the saying goes, money talks.

I’d love Newcastle to go down. Sadly I don’t think they will as I expect it to be Watford, Burnley and Norwich.


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If we exit the window without bringing anyone in what will it mean for us ?

I suppose we will have players back soon so we won’t be down to the bare bones still.

Probably we will be poorly equipped for a top 4 finish but top 6 sure and with several players leaving the wage bill this summer we can rebuild further.

This season to me feels to me as usual Christmas has totally derailed us. I guess it’s the usual pragmatic approach is required with Arsenal

When those players like Lacazette, el nenny and possibly Aubameyang leave the club this summer wengers shadow over the club will have gone and my feeling will be the club can then be judged entirely from its new position.


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I don’t know if this comment was tongue in cheek but I suggested something like this yesterday. Pull the best striker we can find out the championship as a back up that can fill in short term.

I can’t believe there aren’t players there that would be an upgrade on Nketiah. At least you would have some options
No, a serious suggestion - this guy is a Premiership level player with great self-confidence. I am surprised nobody has been in for him - though I imagine Fulham would not let him go easily.

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I don’t know if this comment was tongue in cheek but I suggested something like this yesterday. Pull the best striker we can find out the championship as a back up that can fill in short term.

I can’t believe there aren’t players there that would be an upgrade on Nketiah. At least you would have some options
No, a serious suggestion - this guy is a Premiership level player with great self-confidence. I am surprised nobody has been in for him - though I imagine Fulham would not let him go easily.

27 goals in the championship with games still to go is some haul for the guy.

I suppose the other option is the lad at Blackburn brereton


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A few striker names picked up from those arsenal fans online who take scouting and stats seriously….Scamacca from Sassulo and Cabral from Basel, Fiorentina have bid £14m for the later as their Vlahovic replacement

Scamacca is 6ft 5, looks like he’s part of a drugs cartel but has some decent skills and pace for a man of that size.


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https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/mehdi-t ... ler/307058
Or this guy on loan with Aubameyang going on loan in the opposite direction!

Just reading a few baseless rumours for those who like the tittle tattle


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Matt Turner, the back up GK from MLS might be the only signing when the transfer window closes. :14laughter:
Now that most deals have fallen through.

Would have been an earful to hear what Stan/KSE and Arteta discussed at or before-after that hockey game.

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By all accounts Pépé had a very good AFCON tournament. Ivory Coast were KO by Egypt on pens tonight. Would be great for Pépé to have a strong end to the season for us. With our lack of strikers we might end up in a 4-6-0 formation. Guardiola style


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Irrespective of signings one of the most important thing for us is getting Partey and Xhaka playing every game together. They’ve only started 7 games together this season, won 5 of them and scored 20 goals.


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Reports about Victor Osimhen although I doubt Napoli would want to let him go at this stage of the season given they're in the hunt for the title. Seems to have a lots of good attributes and would fit into Arteta's style of play but would also likely cost around €70m+

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