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Post #356321  Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2021 6:13 pm 
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You also mentioned Vieira earlier. I’m never sure about comparing current players with some of the best to have played for the club. It seems to me a bit like saying White and Gabriel aren’t as good as Campbell or Adams. If you’re going to talk of van Persie, you might as well go the whole way and mention Henry, for me the greatest Arsenal player over the 54 years I’ve been going. It would be brilliant to find another player at Henry’s level, but I suggest it’s extremely unlikely. What we should be aiming to do is find someone at Aubameyang’s former level. That’s more realistic than finding a forward who is comparable to Henry, or for midfielders Vieira.

But I didnt say Henry. I said van persie.

To be honest I don’t think you even you need to say the greats. I saw us linked with Calvert lewin this morning and whilst I don’t think he would be the most awe inspiring signing I think he would add structure to our attack and provide a threat. However my original point remains, I don’t think we have a player in the squad who really pulls it out the bag when we need something.

I didn’t actually say you did. I just said that by mentioning the likes of Vieira, van Persie and Fabregas you might just as well go the whole hog and mention Henry.


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Post #356322  Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2021 6:21 pm 
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Wobble your head lads. Guendouzi a match winner my arse

Galatasaray ran rings round him the other week.

Are you sure about Galatasery running rings round him? He was given 7.6 out of 10, which made him Marseille’s equal best player on the night.

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Post #356323  Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2021 6:27 pm 
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Bernard wrote:
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Wobble your head lads. Guendouzi a match winner my arse

Galatasaray ran rings round him the other week.

Are you sure about Galatasery running rings round him? He was given 7.6 out of 10, which made him Marseille’s equal best player on the night.

https://www.fotmob.com/match/3714205/li ... -marseille

Who was Marseille’s worst outfield player then?

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Are you sure about Galatasery running rings round him? He was given 7.6 out of 10, which made him Marseille’s equal best player on the night.

https://www.fotmob.com/match/3714205/li ... -marseille

Who was Marseille’s worst outfield player then?

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Bernard wrote:
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Wobble your head lads. Guendouzi a match winner my arse

Galatasaray ran rings round him the other week.

Are you sure about Galatasery running rings round him? He was given 7.6 out of 10, which made him Marseille’s equal best player on the night.

https://www.fotmob.com/match/3714205/li ... -marseille

Regardless of what some website says he was shocking and they were over ran in midfield.


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Post #356326  Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2021 6:46 pm 
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I reckon we could win the treble one year and Bernard and others would still be lamenting the loss of Guendouzi. :15laughter:


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I don't subscribe to the Athletic but I understand there is an interesting article on Partey's recent form in the current edition.

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Are you sure about Galatasery running rings round him? He was given 7.6 out of 10, which made him Marseille’s equal best player on the night.

https://www.fotmob.com/match/3714205/li ... -marseille

Regardless of what some website says he was shocking and they were over ran in midfield.

Did you actually see the game? If so on what channel was it and how much was the fee for it?


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Regardless of what some website says he was shocking and they were over ran in midfield.

Did you actually see the game? If so on what channel was it and how much was the fee for it?

I watched match highlights on the box

Arteta with the champions league trophy in his hands and holds it aloft ….. but what about guendouzi ! :14laughter: :14laughter:


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I reckon we could win the treble one year and Bernard and others would still be lamenting the loss of Guendouzi. :15laughter:

No. But I don’t suppose we will win the treble. As things stand, Guendouzi is a fine player. Good ball control and fine passing. Tremendous energy too, and a competitor. If you refuse to accept that I wonder, like many of your opinions on players, if it’s based on little more than your personal dislike of him.


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I watched match highlights on the box

Arteta with the champions league trophy in his hands and holds it aloft ….. but what about guendouzi ! :14laughter: :14laughter:

Ah right. How long were the match highlights? The goals, because what highlights programme showed more than the goals from the Galatasery vs Marseille match?


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Bernard wrote:
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I watched match highlights on the box

Arteta with the champions league trophy in his hands and holds it aloft ….. but what about guendouzi ! :14laughter: :14laughter:

Ah right. How long were the match highlights? The goals, because what highlights programme showed more than the goals from the Galatasery vs Marseille match?

Here check it out yourself. Won’t help the weird guendouzi fixation you have but there you go.


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Ah right. How long were the match highlights? The goals, because what highlights programme showed more than the goals from the Galatasery vs Marseille match?

Here check it out yourself. Won’t help the weird guendouzi fixation you have but there you go.

https://youtu.be/6yEl9W5jRIA

I clicked on your link and nothing opened. But I went to YouTube and found three highlights of the match. One of 2.02 minutes, one of 2.53 minutes and one of 12.26 minutes. I watched the longer one, and it shows much less of the game than 12.26 minutes. But of the parts it did show, what was clear to me is that there was no evidence of Guendouzi being personally overrun.

If anything, the relatively few bits that showed him on the ball made me understand why the match reviewer from the other website made him Marseille’s equal best player on the night.


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Ironically, Guendozi could have played that role

On that one I agree with you gooner7. I realise people claim he’s a difficult character. But if his personality is genuinely that flawed, why is he the captain of the French Under 21 team, or is it the Under 23 team? I can’t remember but I know he’s been made the captain of one of them.

Also, why is Deschamps including Guendouzi in the squad for the full French team? He must know something about what makes a fine midfielder, including in terms of psychological make up, as that’s exactly what he was himself. Furthermore when Marseille’s regulator captain hasn’t played, their manager has made Guendouzi the captain.

As a player he’s got good ball control as well as being a fine passer over long and short distances. His work rate isn’t equaled by many, and he competes. I realise Guendouzi has very likely played his last game for us, but in my view (I’m absolutely aware that this opinion won’t be shared by many here, or even any), getting rid of him has so far been Arteta’s biggest mistake as manager.


IMO, Arteta got rid of a character, not a player. And that seems his modus operandi. Any young player who dares challenge his opinion are shafted. And I emphasise on "young".

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Saw an article where someone in boxing was saying Tyson Fury could beat prime 90s Mike Tyson because he's taller. Hilarioius. 90 percent of Mike's opponents were taller with a longer reach.


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Wobble your head lads. Guendouzi a match winner my arse

Galatasaray ran rings round him the other week.


The beauty of this forum is that opinion differs. Otherwise, will be boring.
But wobble my head, no thanks! :42laughter:

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I saw a stat that showed Man U only pressured 27 of our 503 passes in the game. Ie Man U didn’t press us, or if they did try to they were miles off as only 27 of our passes were considered ‘under pressure’. So our inability to hold on to the ball was far too many unforced errors.


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I saw a stat that showed Man U only pressured 27 of our 503 passes in the game. Ie Man U didn’t press us, or if they did try to they were miles off as only 27 of our passes were considered ‘under pressure’. So our inability to hold on to the ball was far too many unforced errors.

Widespread panic from all our players. They just seemed to want to not be in possession of the ball for
any period of time. Martenelli was the exception. S-R and Martenelli always seemed to have 2 players on them when they received the ball. Also when Tavares moved forward they often tried to have 2 shutting him down. Meanwhile Aubameyang and Odegarrd just did not get involved. The problem with Partey, particularly in the first half, was that he just continually misplaced passes. The fact that Elneny was better than him for the whole game is a real indictment on Partey. There are some questions over a number of these players. They need to prove themselves in the next 5 games and that means actually performing to a high level, not just try to go thru the motions.

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I saw a stat that showed Man U only pressured 27 of our 503 passes in the game. Ie Man U didn’t press us, or if they did try to they were miles off as only 27 of our passes were considered ‘under pressure’. So our inability to hold on to the ball was far too many unforced errors.


Not just in football but in all team sports. When the game is played at a high level between elite sides (okay, it may be debatable if either team is elite but you get my meaning), its down to who makes the least mistakes. Mistakes are pounded on and you often more than not pay for it.

Be it Man Utd vs Arsenal, the Super Bowl, CL final, World Series :icon_mrgreen1:

We missed Saka. Partey could have played a wee bit better in the first half. I am a little surprised at the number of mistakes he makes. It's often not critical mistakes that cost us a goal but needless ones and unforced for a person of his quality at this level. To be fair, Vieira would make the most inane passing errors as well, but he more than made up for them (Giggs goal aside, which Keane said in a show once, 'why didn't you guys just foul him?...good point).

Well, we have a decent run of games that should yield good results and put us in a great position in the new year.

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Seems very odd for Aubameyang to like Ronaldo’s celebratory post on Instagram after Manchester United had just beaten the team representing the club he captains. Okay, Aubameyang may admire Ronaldo. I do myself. After all, he was probably one of the two greatest players of his generation, albeit in my view in second place after Messi. But is that a reason to like Ronaldo’s post celebrating Manchester United’s defeat of Arsenal?

Not in my opinion. Maybe I’m missing something but I don’t think it enhances the perception of Aubameyang as sporting either. To me it makes him look a berk. I would expect more from an Arsenal captain in terms of respecting not only the club but the fans, not just those across the world but those who spent their hard earned money to go to Old Trafford.

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Why Arsenal are the weirdest, most volatile team of the modern era

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The West Ham is shaping up to be a real challenge.

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Why Arsenal are the weirdest, most volatile team of the modern era

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This bit right at the end made sense sadly

…if you remove Arsenal's best and worst performances, their xG differential in the remaining matches is still below average. So even if you do remove the blowouts, what you're left with is not a very good team."

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Seems very odd for Aubameyang to like Ronaldo’s celebratory post on Instagram after Manchester United had just beaten the team representing the club he captains. Okay, Aubameyang may admire Ronaldo. I do myself. After all, he was probably one of the two greatest players of his generation, albeit in my view in second place after Messi. But is that a reason to like Ronaldo’s post celebrating Manchester United’s defeat of Arsenal?

Not in my opinion. Maybe I’m missing something but I don’t think it enhances the perception of Aubameyang as sporting either. To me it makes him look a berk. I would expect more from an Arsenal captain in terms of respecting not only the club but the fans, not just those across the world but those who spent their hard earned money to go to Old Trafford.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thesun ... -post/amp/

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I agree Bernard, a berk, I'd even go so far as to say a pillock.


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Just read that West Ham have beaten Liverpool, Chelsea, City, Utd, Tottenham and Leicester this season. That’s sensational. Almost glad I’m missing the inevitable disappointment of the home game as it’s my sons school play.

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Just read that West Ham have beaten Liverpool, Chelsea, City, Utd, Tottenham and Leicester this season. That’s sensational. Almost glad I’m missing the inevitable disappointment of the home game as it’s my sons school play.

They look a far more completed project than we do.

Good management, good recruitment, and being given a ‘free’ stadium.

Actually our recruitment looks quite good. The best half of our side is the incomers. Just need to repeat that trick in the upcoming windows.

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Just two U21 sides left in the Papa John’s Trophy. Us (with Balogun) and Chelsea.

And guess who we’ve just drawn in the third round.

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Just two U21 sides left in the Papa John’s Trophy. Us (with Balogun) and Chelsea.

And guess who we’ve just drawn in the third round.

I’m looking forward to the Women’s FA Cup final tomorrow. Arsenal v Chelsea at Wembley. It’s live on BBC ONE and the kick off is at 2.00 pm though the coverage starts at 1.30 pm.

It’s the top two teams in the women’s league. We’re currently ahead of Chelsea by one point.


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Just two U21 sides left in the Papa John’s Trophy. Us (with Balogun) and Chelsea.

And guess who we’ve just drawn in the third round.

I’m looking forward to the Women’s FA Cup final tomorrow. Arsenal v Chelsea at Wembley. It’s live on BBC ONE and the kick off is at 2.00 pm though the coverage starts at 1.30 pm.

It’s the top two teams in the women’s league. We’re currently ahead of Chelsea by one point.

Should be a good game.

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Why Arsenal are the weirdest, most volatile team of the modern era

https://www.espn.com.au/sports/soccer/i ... modern-era

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This bit right at the end made sense sadly

…if you remove Arsenal's best and worst performances, their xG differential in the remaining matches is still below average. So even if you do remove the blowouts, what you're left with is not a very good team."

Two of the three 'blowouts' (one of which was a 2-0 non-hammering against Chelsea) occurred before several of Arteta's obvious current first XI had arrived/settled. The defence against Man City included Kolasinac, Holding, Chambers and Cédric. Fair point about the bit at the end, but otherwise it's a pretty feeble article built around two match results.

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Oft quoted excuse for awful decisions by our players "Oh they are a very young side they'll learn " .
I'm thinking at what age are you told not to do what that f**&*&& idiot Ødegaard did ............ six .


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I’m looking forward to the Women’s FA Cup final tomorrow. Arsenal v Chelsea at Wembley. It’s live on BBC ONE and the kick off is at 2.00 pm though the coverage starts at 1.30 pm.

It’s the top two teams in the women’s league. We’re currently ahead of Chelsea by one point.

Should be a good game.

Or not! Not a great start.

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Should be a good game.

Or not! Not a great start.

Lucky to only be 1-0 down at half time. Improved a bit towards the end of the first half, so hopefully things will get better.


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Or not! Not a great start.

Lucky to only be 1-0 down at half time. Improved a bit towards the end of the first half, so hopefully things will get better.

Very lucky. But that luck has just run out as it’s 0-2.

They look much poorer that my previous impression. I guess that they are having a bad one.

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Very lucky. But that luck has just run out as it’s 0-2.

They look much poorer that my previous impression. I guess that they are having a bad one.

3-0 now. All over. We’ve been so poor and Chelsea have been so good.


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Very lucky. But that luck has just run out as it’s 0-2.

They look much poorer that my previous impression. I guess that they are having a bad one.

3-0 now. All over. We’ve been so poor and Chelsea have been so good.

And as it stands the mens team is now down to 7th.

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3-0 now. All over. We've been so poor and Chelsea have been so good.

And as it stands the mens team is now down to 7th.


All because the ladies lost ???

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Balogun going on loan in January.

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A win, a win. My kingdom for a win.

Everton are sputtering. We need to put them to the sword. They may play like cornered rats. That will make it tougher but if we come out with a clear intent of leaving with nothing but 3 points, they may roll over like a beta male lion.

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A win, a win. My kingdom for a win.

Everton are sputtering. We need to put them to the sword. They may play like cornered rats. That will make it tougher but if we come out with a clear intent of leaving with nothing but 3 points, they may roll over like a beta male lion.

It feels like a game we have to win if we have serious thoughts of challenging West Ham, Man U and Spurs for 4th place. Everton are awful at the moment.

Sadly I can't quite shake from my mind a performance where we control the game but don't create that much and certainly don't test Pickford, and then go 1-0 down to Everton's first shot on target - probably a scrappy header or rebound from Michael Keane from a poorly defended set piece around the 60th minute, we then throw on a load of forward players and end up losing 1-0 with just 3 shots on target.......I seriously hope I'm wrong


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