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Post #484961  Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2021 10:15 pm 
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It’s clear we have a problem up front at the moment. Aubameyang isn’t just missing chances he’s not really contributing to the game at all. I think about other strikers that hold up the ball, run the channels, cause problems etc etc and Aubameyang just isn’t really doing any of it.


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They are a poor team. We should be winning. A distinct lack of composure and hurried passing cost us. Maybe its inexperience but they need to learn fast.

Inexperience - the 2 worst performances by a country mile were Aubameyang and Partey.

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The lines are very thin. Ødegaard doesn’t do that brain fart and we draw. Ref uses var for us and we win.

You just can’t make errors in these games

Positives were white, martinelli and Ødegaard who played very well

Feel Arteta contributed to the defeats in our recent games by playing Tavares but there you go.


Not all doom and gloom, for me we lack a bit of experience and quality on the ball. We miss a genuine playmaker


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Gaz from Oz wrote:
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I think that’s all you wrote folks.

You just can’t do dumb *%^@ like that in these games. Feel a bit sorry for Ødegaard who has done well

No he didn’t do well at all. No appearance in the first half, scored but a mis hit and then gave away that. Not good enough at every level today. He needs to improve by a large amount.

You must have watched a different game. Class assist that almost set up martinelli


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The lines are very thin. Ødegaard doesn’t do that brain fart and we draw. Ref uses var for us and we win.

You just can’t make errors in these games

Positives were white, martinelli and Ødegaard who played very well

Feel Arteta contributed to the defeats in our recent games by playing Tavares but there you go.


Not all doom and gloom, for me we lack a bit of experience and quality on the ball. We miss a genuine playmaker

Don’t forget Tomiyasu. Yet another good game from him.

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The lines are very thin. Ødegaard doesn’t do that brain fart and we draw. Ref uses var for us and we win.

You just can’t make errors in these games

Positives were white, martinelli and Ødegaard who played very well

Feel Arteta contributed to the defeats in our recent games by playing Tavares but there you go.


Not all doom and gloom, for me we lack a bit of experience and quality on the ball. We miss a genuine playmaker

The problem is that we lost control of the game. We had them by the goolies and totally lost it. Man U are not very good.

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Arteta will never get an easier game at Man U. On to Everton and if we don’t win easily we have to ask some questions.

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Elneny simply lacks the skills to play in our midfield


He is simply there to disrupt and defend. Zero creativity. Lost when players are not within his passing zone. The way he keeps waiting on the ball slows us down. Wonder why he was fielded in place of Lokonga. Is Lonkonga injured?

Still, he did better than our very poor captain. We were 10 against 11 with Aubameyang on the field.

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Thought Tomiyasu was top class again tonight, had Sancho in his pocket all game. Sancho kept trying to knock it and run past him and Tomiyasu was just as quick and far too strong every time.


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No he didn’t do well at all. No appearance in the first half, scored but a mis hit and then gave away that. Not good enough at every level today. He needs to improve by a large amount.

You must have watched a different game. Class assist that almost set up martinelli

No I didn’t watch a different game- he just does not ever impose himself and was missing for most of the match.

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Oh dear, losing to that shower of managerless, in crisis s***e. After leading! Aubamayang is finished, he's a bit of a disgrace really. Send him off to play with his Teslas and Lamborghinis. Tavares hopeless. Partey a liability. Struggling to see any progress under this manager.


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The lines are very thin. Ødegaard doesn’t do that brain fart and we draw. Ref uses var for us and we win.

You just can’t make errors in these games

Positives were white, martinelli and Ødegaard who played very well

Feel Arteta contributed to the defeats in our recent games by playing Tavares but there you go.


Not all doom and gloom, for me we lack a bit of experience and quality on the ball. We miss a genuine playmaker

The problem is that we lost control of the game. We had them by the goolies and totally lost it. Man U are not very good.


Mate not very good? They have Ronaldo AND Fernandez in their side.

They may have had bad results recently but they are a threat and we have a very inexperienced side


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Gaz from Oz wrote:
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I think that’s all you wrote folks.

You just can’t do dumb *%^@ like that in these games. Feel a bit sorry for Ødegaard who has done well

No he didn’t do well at all. No appearance in the first half, scored but a mis hit and then gave away that. Not good enough at every level today. He needs to improve by a large amount.


I agree with you Gaz, Ødegaard is lightweight. Not someone who will bring us up a notch. Good squad player at best.

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I am so aggravated. I’m sick of getting f all at OT. We didn’t deserve to lose. I don’t know how the ref can stop the game and then give a pen for them
If that is so how comes it didn’t happen when Maguire fouled Tomiyasu in the box.
On the US TV feed I watched Graeme Le Saux called it a stonewall penalty.

On a separate note I thought Partey was diabolical. Gave the ball away too often and completely lost Fernandes for their equalizer right on ht
Watch it again Elneny covers Fred who has to lay the ball off to a totally unmarked Fernandes. Awful. He’s been a terrible disappointment since he arrived I don’t expect anything from Elneny tonight….he’s a water carrier but Partey….he should be dominating Fred and McT

One last thing. I think our conditioning coaches need to work on Emile Smith Rowe’s stamina and speed work. He looked knackered and his half hearted challenge before their second goal was a joke
Final final last thing. I’m 67 and the years have not matured me. I f..ing hate Utd and their scummy self important fans so much and I hate us going to that piss hole every year and getting nothing
This is a bang average Utd and any half decent Arsenal team would’ve battered them.


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Oh dear, losing to that shower of managerless, in crisis s***e. After leading! Aubamayang is finished, he's a bit of a disgrace really. Send him off to play with his Teslas and Lamborghinis. Tavares hopeless. Partey a liability. Struggling to see any progress under this manager.

You must be joking. Disappointing result aside we are headed in the right direction and if you swapped ronaldo for Aubameyang things would be different.


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The problem is that we lost control of the game. We had them by the goolies and totally lost it. Man U are not very good.


Mate not very good? They have Ronaldo AND Fernandez in their side.

They may have had bad results recently but they are a threat and we have a very inexperienced side

Having a couple of stars doesn’t make them a good side.

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Thought Tomiyasu was top class again tonight, had Sancho in his pocket all game. Sancho kept trying to knock it and run past him and Tomiyasu was just as quick and far too strong every time.


Tomiyasu is fearless and very driven. Always gives his all. Very good player.

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Let's hope Arteta play more of Martinelli after the last 2 games.

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Oh dear, losing to that shower of managerless, in crisis s***e. After leading! Aubamayang is finished, he's a bit of a disgrace really. Send him off to play with his Teslas and Lamborghinis. Tavares hopeless. Partey a liability. Struggling to see any progress under this manager.

You must be joking. Disappointing result aside we are headed in the right direction and if you swapped ronaldo for Aubameyang things would be different.

A classic Uncle Sally post.


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Mate not very good? They have Ronaldo AND Fernandez in their side.

They may have had bad results recently but they are a threat and we have a very inexperienced side

Having a couple of stars doesn’t make them a good side.

They have quality and experience in the right parts of their team. We however are the youngest side in the league and sometimes look it.

I think if you gave us a cavani or ronaldo we would be very different. It’s a young team without a talisman

It’s not there for us yet. We are still a couple or key players short. There’s no point losing it as frustrating as it is


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Agree with those that criticized Partey at half time, but I actually thought he had a pretty decent second half. Feel like we're asking him to do too much with the partners he's getting in midfield. Lokonga is talented, but young and inconsistent, and Elneny offers nothing but running. I would try to sign another midfielder in January, because even with Xhaka back we need more quality there.


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Arsenal have now been to the Etihad, Anfield, the King Power and Old Trafford and we’re fifth above united and spurs in the league. Arteta would have took this scenario at the start of the season and so would our more rational fans. Internet agenda freaks won’t get it but there you go.


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Disappointing to lose a game in that manner.

Partey is a massive frustration because for all the brilliant things he can do there is so much carelessness about his game, too many misplaced misdirected passes, too many caught in possession moments, too many failures to track runners or anticipate danger.

Aubameyang when not scoring is just a passenger and I don't think at this stage in our development we can carry passengers. Not sure what the answer is without buying another no 9.

Martinelli had an excellent 2nd half but was very quiet 1st half. He needs to find a way to get impose himself more on games.

Tomiyasu was excellent.

I actually thought Elneny was ok in the context of what his job was.


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We always, always look so much better with the higher tempo and high press. We’ve got a back 4 who are quick and can defend high and 1v1. It’s frustrating that we can’t or don’t keep the press up more consistently


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Easy to see from the clips of him play why Arsenal are interested in Vlahovic of Fiorentina. He’s what we need in a CF. Shame he wants to stay in Italy and would cost £60m

Arteta has a decision to make v Everton. He rotated tonight and I think he needs to rotate again. Who and how we play up front is his biggest problem right now.


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Agree with those that criticized Partey at half time, but I actually thought he had a pretty decent second half. Feel like we're asking him to do too much with the partners he's getting in midfield. Lokonga is talented, but young and inconsistent, and Elneny offers nothing but running. I would try to sign another midfielder in January, because even with Xhaka back we need more quality there.

I agree that Partey had a better second half than first, when I said Elneny, for all his obvious limitations, had outplayed Partey. That shows what a low starting point Partey’s second half improvement came from.


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We really should not have lost this game. Very poor really.


So true LTG. The touch and passing from so many players was bloody awful and it was clearly a weakness that Carrick and Arteta noticed. Their midfield double teamed and put pressure on the 2nd phase of midfield passing throughout the match and they won the ball back so easily.

I never expected a win up there and Arsenal were deservedly beaten by a rather *%^@ team.


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Bruno Fernandes is such a Man Utd player, mostly for the fact that he's completely unlikeable in every aspect


...and no matter how bad his form has been, Arsenal will help him find it again.


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Easy to see from the clips of him play why Arsenal are interested in Vlahovic of Fiorentina. He’s what we need in a CF. Shame he wants to stay in Italy and would cost £60m

A new top forward has to be the next priority, ideally in January but no later than next summer. People have said everything that needs to be said about Aubameyang tonight. He’s also going to be 32 next season, and is already showing his age. I felt Lacazette and Nketiah were abysmal once they came on, but as their respective contracts expire at the end of this season it seems reasonable to assume neither will be at Arsenal next season.

So as it stands we could be left next season with, if he stays, a declining and possibly demotivated Aubameyang, with Balogun and Martinelli. The latter did well tonight and deserves more playing time. Martinelli isn’t an orthodox forward by any means, but even at his peak nor was Aubameyang. But overall I see a new top level striker as Arsenal’s biggest transfer market priority.


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Disappointing to lose a game in that manner.

Partey is a massive frustration because for all the brilliant things he can do there is so much carelessness about his game, too many misplaced misdirected passes, too many caught in possession moments, too many failures to track runners or anticipate danger.

Aubameyang when not scoring is just a passenger and I don't think at this stage in our development we can carry passengers. Not sure what the answer is without buying another no 9.

Martinelli had an excellent 2nd half but was very quiet 1st half. He needs to find a way to get impose himself more on games.

Tomiyasu was excellent.

I actually thought Elneny was ok in the context of what his job was.


Partey was atrocious in the first half and handed the momentum to Man Utd on a silver platter when they were already amped up by the perception of being hard done by for our goal. Smith Rowe and Tavares didn't help either as they kept giving it away as well.

I'll disagree about Martinelli though as he was the least of our worries. After being left out in the cold for 6 months, I'm not surprised it took him a while to get into the match.


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Arsenal have now been to the Etihad, Anfield, the King Power and Old Trafford and we’re fifth above united and spurs in the league. Arteta would have took this scenario at the start of the season and so would our more rational fans. Internet agenda freaks won’t get it but there you go.

We've also played all of the rest of the Top Six in our first 14 games. A bit of a baptism of fire for the Premier League's youngest team.

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Partey and Aubameyang have been pitiful. They are supposed to be the leaders. White was at fault for the goal - terrible pass out and then nowhere near his man. Overall I thought this was a pretty poor half of football against a woeful side who we are allowing to improve. Lack of ball retention, senior players just not performing and they are double marking some of our players. Arteta had better get this sorted.


Exactly how I saw the first half. Even though I wasn't watching live, I was still yelling at the TV because that always helps. :laughing7:


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Easy to see from the clips of him play why Arsenal are interested in Vlahovic of Fiorentina. He’s what we need in a CF. Shame he wants to stay in Italy and would cost £60m

A new top forward has to be the next priority, ideally in January but no later than next summer. People have said everything that needs to be said about Aubameyang tonight. He’s also going to be 32 next season, and is already showing his age. I felt Lacazette and Nketiah were abysmal once they came on, but as their respective contracts expire at the end of this season it seems reasonable to assume neither will be at Arsenal next season.

So as it stands we could be left next season with, if he stays, a declining and possibly demotivated Aubameyang, with Balogun and Martinelli. The latter did well tonight and deserves more playing time. Martinelli isn’t an orthodox forward by any means, but even at his peak nor was Aubameyang. But overall I see a new top level striker as Arsenal’s biggest transfer market priority.


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I am so aggravated. I’m sick of getting f all at OT. We didn’t deserve to lose. I don’t know how the ref can stop the game and then give a pen for them
If that is so how comes it didn’t happen when Maguire fouled Tomiyasu in the box.
On the US TV feed I watched Graeme Le Saux called it a stonewall penalty.

On a separate note I thought Partey was diabolical. Gave the ball away too often and completely lost Fernandes for their equalizer right on ht
Watch it again Elneny covers Fred who has to lay the ball off to a totally unmarked Fernandes. Awful. He’s been a terrible disappointment since he arrived I don’t expect anything from Elneny tonight….he’s a water carrier but Partey….he should be dominating Fred and McT

One last thing. I think our conditioning coaches need to work on Emile Smith Rowe’s stamina and speed work. He looked knackered and his half hearted challenge before their second goal was a joke
Final final last thing. I’m 67 and the years have not matured me. I f..ing hate Utd and their scummy self important fans so much and I hate us going to that piss hole every year and getting nothing
This is a bang average Utd and any half decent Arsenal team would’ve battered them.

Totally agree Andy.
They are hugely unlikeable club.
The bit at the end where their fans kept the ball and wouldn't give it back in injury time.
I'd have *%^@*** loved it if we had got a last minute equaliser to shove it down their throat.
I was so surprised to hear the stat that we hadn't lost to them in 6 games.
Just feels predictable and inevitable that we would lose up there and I just knew ronaldo would score.
It's just infuriating it really is.
They are not a good team but ronaldo and to a lesser extent Fernández are carrying that team.
We deserved a draw at least and just apoplectic that var is quick to get the ref to run to.the monitor and check their penalty incident but we were not afforded the same. How can that possibly *%^@*** be!
*%^@*** muppets at var headquarters.
Absolutely hate losing to utd.
At least liverpool city and utd away are all out the way.
Have to beat Everton.
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Oh dear, losing to that shower of managerless, in crisis s***e. After leading! Aubamayang is finished, he's a bit of a disgrace really. Send him off to play with his Teslas and Lamborghinis. Tavares hopeless. Partey a liability. Struggling to see any progress under this manager.

Bit early to make a call on Arteta. Lets see where we are at Christmas. The problem is that senior players are the failures continually.

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There were some calls for more creativity tonight. Myself, I think that’s getting things the wrong way round. Who are North London’s most creative midfielders? In my time the likes of Brady, Hudson, Hoddle and Gascoigne would be up there. Up in Glasgow, how about Jim Baxter and Paul McStay? In France, maybe Platini and Zidane?

Well, let me tell you this. Even that mob would struggle to create for our forwards tonight. Aubameyang, Lacazette and Nketiah made themselves as available to have a chance created for them as Myra Hindley and Ian Brady were to look after children with kindness.


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Oh dear, losing to that shower of managerless, in crisis s***e. After leading! Aubamayang is finished, he's a bit of a disgrace really. Send him off to play with his Teslas and Lamborghinis. Tavares hopeless. Partey a liability. Struggling to see any progress under this manager.

You must be joking. Disappointing result aside we are headed in the right direction and if you swapped ronaldo for Aubameyang things would be different.


Agree that we are headed in the right direction. The defeat is disappointing, but not a disastrous Arsenal performance, bar Aubameyang.
If Aubameyang would only start to play like Ronaldo does. Aubameyang is listless and not driven.

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Agree with those that criticized Partey at half time, but I actually thought he had a pretty decent second half. Feel like we're asking him to do too much with the partners he's getting in midfield. Lokonga is talented, but young and inconsistent, and Elneny offers nothing but running. I would try to sign another midfielder in January, because even with Xhaka back we need more quality there.


Partey and Lokonga will eventually gel well. Elneny, just hope he gets a transfer into a league where he will shine bright.

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There were some calls for more creativity tonight. Myself, I think that’s getting things the wrong way round. Who are North London’s most creative midfielders? In my time the likes of Brady, Hudson, Hoddle and Gascoigne would be up there. Up in Glasgow, how about Jim Baxter and Paul McStay? In France, maybe Platini and Zidane?

Well, let me tell you this. Even that mob would struggle to create for our forwards tonight. Aubameyang, Lacazette and Nketiah made themselves as available to have a chance created for them as Myra Hindley and Ian Brady were to look after children with kindness.



If you don’t get it watch the game again and look at fernandes. A *%^@*** nuisance of a player dropping into pockets of space all over the pitch. Pinging quick accurate passes and a massive goal threat. I like our midfielders but let’s be honest here smith Rowe was ineffective and Ødegaard still isn’t that level. Also elneny was technically lacking in possession.

We haven’t got a talisman of a player who has a killer final ball. We are depending far too much on wide players for our moments of insertion. That said the way the strikers are playing there’s no point anyway. Might be worth getting someone on loan. It’s pretty bad right now


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Got busy, tired and fell asleep and watched it on a replay. I thought we were going to win it as I was watching it and winding it back to see key points of the game. How did we lose it? At worse a draw I thought.

No one likes to lose but losing to certain teams is worse. Man Utd is one of them. I hope I live long enough to see 1. Arsenal put 8 or 9 past them and 2. Have a favorable head to head record.

Loss aside, I still think we are going to get better. Good to see Ødegaard score. It will help his confidence immensely.

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