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john1 · **#355841**

Bored wrote:

john1 wrote:

This is my Dad, on the occasion of his last ever visit to Arsenal's home ground. From being a regular visitor to Highbury in the 40s and 50s during his RAF service, to frequent trips with me in the 70s and 80s from our home in Shrewsbury, he enjoyed all his trips and was an avid viewer on tv, and some might say an obsessive collector of newspaper articles which are held in scrap books dotted around the house. Thanks to him, I am and shall forever be, a fan of The Arsenal.
The picture was taken on 24th September 2011, when Dad was 86 years old. The result was Arsenal 3 - Bolton 0. Van Persie scored his 99th and 100th goals for the club, and also got involved in an altercation with a Bolton player (forget who). During that altercation, the whole ground got on their feet to chant "Arsenal, Arsenal, Arsenal", and Dad joined in with gusto. I'll never forget that.
On November 11th, Remembrance Day, Dad passed away peacefully in hospital with my sister holding his hand. As a WW2 veteran he chose the day of his passing well.
Watching Arsenal without his running commentary just won't be the same. I'm going to miss him greatly.

I'm really sorry to hear of your loss John. I liked the memory of him standing up getting involved during the Bolton match.

Cheers Bored

john1 · **#355842**

bromley gooner wrote:

Condolences John. Best wishes to you and your family.

Thanks Brom

john1 · **#355843**

Bernard wrote:

john1 wrote:

This is my Dad, on the occasion of his last ever visit to Arsenal's home ground. From being a regular visitor to Highbury in the 40s and 50s during his RAF service, to frequent trips with me in the 70s and 80s from our home in Shrewsbury, he enjoyed all his trips and was an avid viewer on tv, and some might say an obsessive collector of newspaper articles which are held in scrap books dotted around the house. Thanks to him, I am and shall forever be, a fan of The Arsenal.
The picture was taken on 24th September 2011, when Dad was 86 years old. The result was Arsenal 3 - Bolton 0. Van Persie scored his 99th and 100th goals for the club, and also got involved in an altercation with a Bolton player (forget who). During that altercation, the whole ground got on their feet to chant "Arsenal, Arsenal, Arsenal", and Dad joined in with gusto. I'll never forget that.
On November 11th, Remembrance Day, Dad passed away peacefully in hospital with my sister holding his hand. As a WW2 veteran he chose the day of his passing well.
Watching Arsenal without his running commentary just won't be the same. I'm going to miss him greatly.

Sincere condolences john1. Sorry to hear of your loss. If he was 86 in 2011 he must have been 96 or perhaps even 97 if his birthday was between 24th September and 11th November. So at least he had a really good innings. Many sympathies.

Thanks Bernard

john1 · **#355844**

gooner7 wrote:

john1 wrote:

This is my Dad, on the occasion of his last ever visit to Arsenal's home ground. From being a regular visitor to Highbury in the 40s and 50s during his RAF service, to frequent trips with me in the 70s and 80s from our home in Shrewsbury, he enjoyed all his trips and was an avid viewer on tv, and some might say an obsessive collector of newspaper articles which are held in scrap books dotted around the house. Thanks to him, I am and shall forever be, a fan of The Arsenal.
The picture was taken on 24th September 2011, when Dad was 86 years old. The result was Arsenal 3 - Bolton 0. Van Persie scored his 99th and 100th goals for the club, and also got involved in an altercation with a Bolton player (forget who). During that altercation, the whole ground got on their feet to chant "Arsenal, Arsenal, Arsenal", and Dad joined in with gusto. I'll never forget that.
On November 11th, Remembrance Day, Dad passed away peacefully in hospital with my sister holding his hand. As a WW2 veteran he chose the day of his passing well.
Watching Arsenal without his running commentary just won't be the same. I'm going to miss him greatly.

Condolences John

Thanks gooner7

john1 · **#355845**

kiwipete wrote:

john1 wrote:

This is my Dad, on the occasion of his last ever visit to Arsenal's home ground. From being a regular visitor to Highbury in the 40s and 50s during his RAF service, to frequent trips with me in the 70s and 80s from our home in Shrewsbury, he enjoyed all his trips and was an avid viewer on tv, and some might say an obsessive collector of newspaper articles which are held in scrap books dotted around the house. Thanks to him, I am and shall forever be, a fan of The Arsenal.
The picture was taken on 24th September 2011, when Dad was 86 years old. The result was Arsenal 3 - Bolton 0. Van Persie scored his 99th and 100th goals for the club, and also got involved in an altercation with a Bolton player (forget who). During that altercation, the whole ground got on their feet to chant "Arsenal, Arsenal, Arsenal", and Dad joined in with gusto. I'll never forget that.
On November 11th, Remembrance Day, Dad passed away peacefully in hospital with my sister holding his hand. As a WW2 veteran he chose the day of his passing well.
Watching Arsenal without his running commentary just won't be the same. I'm going to miss him greatly.

Condolensces John .... My father was quite distant so his passing was though sad a more ho hum affair ......... you were by contrast close ; so rejoice in the fact you have a treasure trove of great memories .

At 96 he had a damn good "innings "

Thanks Pete

john1 · **#355846**

david.d wrote:

john1 wrote:

This is my Dad, on the occasion of his last ever visit to Arsenal's home ground. From being a regular visitor to Highbury in the 40s and 50s during his RAF service, to frequent trips with me in the 70s and 80s from our home in Shrewsbury, he enjoyed all his trips and was an avid viewer on tv, and some might say an obsessive collector of newspaper articles which are held in scrap books dotted around the house. Thanks to him, I am and shall forever be, a fan of The Arsenal.
The picture was taken on 24th September 2011, when Dad was 86 years old. The result was Arsenal 3 - Bolton 0. Van Persie scored his 99th and 100th goals for the club, and also got involved in an altercation with a Bolton player (forget who). During that altercation, the whole ground got on their feet to chant "Arsenal, Arsenal, Arsenal", and Dad joined in with gusto. I'll never forget that.
On November 11th, Remembrance Day, Dad passed away peacefully in hospital with my sister holding his hand. As a WW2 veteran he chose the day of his passing well.
Watching Arsenal without his running commentary just won't be the same. I'm going to miss him greatly.

John my deepest condolences to you and your family at your sad loss.
Your dad sounds like a top guy and it's great you had a great relationship.
It's the same with my Dad and I.
He passed away in 2010 and we were extremely close.
He loved The Arsenal and my love of Arsenal was from him. One of my proudest moments was taking Dad to a couple of matches at the Emirates during his regular visits from Ghana.
We have to treasure our moments with Our Fathers.
Take care John.

Thanks David

Gaz from Oz · **#355847**

From now until Christmas: Newcastle, Man U (a), Everton(a), Southampton, Westham and Leeds (a). 12 points as a minimum I would think.

TOP GUN · **#355848**

bubblechris wrote:

Bored wrote:

The type of defeat which might halt our recent momentum. We look lightweight going forward

I disagree. Was it the season we lost 6-2 or was it 8-2 to United that we went on and won the league, or was I dreaming?

This will put people's feet back on the ground. Make us play better. Liverpool always pull a brilliant game out of the bag against us there aren't many teams that would have not lost to them in this form, they were awesome much as I hate to say it.

Everyone knows our problem now is up front. I believe most want Aubameyang and Lacazette moved on as soon as possible and a new front 2 bought or brought on. For me it would be Balogun and Nketiah week in week out till they click then *%^@ me we'll be so proud of OUR team.

Partey is a problem methinks is it fitness or not quite what we need, We have the attacking options now we need a Kante or a Bissouma to shut things down and win games for us.

I think our main problem yesterday was in midfield. An unfit partey and lokonga just totally out of his depth like a rabbit caught in headlights. We just didn’t show enough gumption and bravery on the ball in this part of the pitch. Technically as we know we could do with some more passing ability here as well.

You are right a new striker is required that provides some new options but generally a valid and true post from you here.

We all know a bit more surgery is required and if you can get Lacazette, nketiah and elneny off the wage bill your saving best part of 300k a week for the new players we need

dec · **#355849**

John, My deepest sympathies to you and your family. Take care of yourself.

gooner7 · **#355850**

Gaz from Oz wrote:

From now until Christmas: Newcastle, Man U (a), Everton(a), Southampton, Westham and Leeds (a). 12 points as a minimum I would think.

Believe Arteta & team will look at Pool defeat as a learning step. Critically important to learn from this defeat. The carelessness of our play needs to be addressed.
Thought we had a good first half. Even after the goal, we were still playing positively.

I trust this team, collectively, has a stronger stomach, so I am going full optimism with the next few games.
Newcastle - W
MU - W (believe we can go for the jugular here)
Everton - D
Southampton - W
WH - D
Leeds - W
14 points

Rich · **#355851**

Strange that Klopp was so adamant there was no foul in the Mané challenge on Tomiyasu that sparked the touchline argument. I thought it was a clear foul as Mané led with the arm in to the face and could have easily been a yellow.

gooner7 · **#355852**

Rich wrote:

Strange that Klopp was so adamant there was no foul in the Mané challenge on Tomiyasu that sparked the touchline argument. I thought it was a clear foul as Mané led with the arm in to the face and could have easily been a yellow.

All managers wear that specially tinted glass.
His reaction is to be expected.
Arteta would have done the same if it was the other way round.

Rich · **#355853**

The frustrating thing from yesterday is we found ourselves 2-0 down to a set piece and an awful mistake to gift a goal. Up until then we restricted Liverpool to very few chances. Of course we offered virtually nothing in attack but that didn’t feel like we deserved a 4-0 loss, Liverpool were very clinical in the end.

Rich · **#355854**

gooner7 wrote:

Rich wrote:

Strange that Klopp was so adamant there was no foul in the Mané challenge on Tomiyasu that sparked the touchline argument. I thought it was a clear foul as Mané led with the arm in to the face and could have easily been a yellow.

All managers wear that specially tinted glass.
His reaction is to be expected.
Arteta would have done the same if it was the other way round.

Yeah I didn’t expect Klopp to agree that it should have been a yellow but I would have thought a more rational view would have been to say something like ‘you can’t give yellows for every foul’ rather than claim there was no foul at all. The ref did give the foul if I’m right?

gooner7 · **#355855**

Rich wrote:

The frustrating thing from yesterday is we found ourselves 2-0 down to a set piece and an awful mistake to gift a goal. Up until then we restricted Liverpool to very few chances. Of course we offered virtually nothing in attack but that didn’t feel like we deserved a 4-0 loss, Liverpool were very clinical in the end.

The way I saw it, Ramsdale kept it at 0-0 for a long time. We could have been 2 or 3 down even before their first goal.
They were passing through us too easily.

TOP GUN · **#355856**

gooner7 wrote:

Gaz from Oz wrote:

From now until Christmas: Newcastle, Man U (a), Everton(a), Southampton, Westham and Leeds (a). 12 points as a minimum I would think.

Believe Arteta & team will look at Pool defeat as a learning step. Critically important to learn from this defeat. The carelessness of our play needs to be addressed.
Thought we had a good first half. Even after the goal, we were still playing positively.

I trust this team, collectively, has a stronger stomach, so I am going full optimism with the next few games.
Newcastle - W
MU - W (believe we can go for the jugular here)
Everton - D
Southampton - W
WH - D
Leeds - W
14 points

Would largely agree but anything can happen on a trip to old Trafford. They could also have a new manager onboard at that point. If we can get that points haul from those games we will be in the reckoning for European spots

gooner7 · **#355857**

Rich wrote:

gooner7 wrote:

All managers wear that specially tinted glass.
His reaction is to be expected.
Arteta would have done the same if it was the other way round.

Yeah I didn’t expect Klopp to agree that it should have been a yellow but I would have thought a more rational view would have been to say something like ‘you can’t give yellows for every foul’ rather than claim there was no foul at all. The ref did give the foul if I’m right?

I think foul was given

Rich · **#355858**

I went to the match yesterday, sat in the main stand with the Liverpool fans. First time at Anfield, the ‘famous atmosphere’ is a bit of a myth. It was quiet until they scored their first and the only singing came from the Kop, it certainly wasn’t the cauldron that many pundits wax lyrical over.

This Liverpool team has been together for 3-4 years now, virtually unchanged. Our team has been together for 10 games.

gooner7 · **#355859**

TOP GUN wrote:

gooner7 wrote:

Believe Arteta & team will look at Pool defeat as a learning step. Critically important to learn from this defeat. The carelessness of our play needs to be addressed.
Thought we had a good first half. Even after the goal, we were still playing positively.

I trust this team, collectively, has a stronger stomach, so I am going full optimism with the next few games.
Newcastle - W
MU - W (believe we can go for the jugular here)
Everton - D
Southampton - W
WH - D
Leeds - W
14 points

Would largely agree but anything can happen on a trip to old Trafford. They could also have a new manager onboard at that point. If we can get that points haul from those games we will be in the reckoning for European spots

Totally agree about anything from our trip to OT
I'm being overly optimistic in my prediction
Somehow I see this team as one capable to bounce back strongly, as a Team!
How wonderful if we won via a Aubameyang converted penalty at OT

Rich · **#355860**

gooner7 wrote:

I trust this team, collectively, has a stronger stomach, so I am going full optimism with the next few games.
Newcastle - W
MU - W (believe we can go for the jugular here)
Everton - D
Southampton - W
WH - D
Leeds - W
14 points

I’d snap your hand off for that set of results. I think we’d be top 4 if we collected 14 points from the next 6

TOP GUN · **#355861**

Rich wrote:

I went to the match yesterday, sat in the main stand with the Liverpool fans. First time at Anfield, the ‘famous atmosphere’ is a bit of a myth. It was quiet until they scored their first and the only singing came from the Kop, it certainly wasn’t the cauldron that many pundits wax lyrical over.

This Liverpool team has been together for 3-4 years now, virtually unchanged. Our team has been together for 10 games.

Final sentence is key here.

long time gooner · **#355862**

Shame. Solskjaer confirmed as gone. I was rather hoping that he would still be there when we play them.

john1 · **#355863**

dec wrote:

John, My deepest sympathies to you and your family. Take care of yourself.

Thanks dec

Bernard · **#355864**

kiwipete wrote:

gooner7 wrote:

Getting a better striker is priority. Aubameyang is past it.
If not for Ramsdale, we could have lost 7 or 8 nil. Pool cut through our midfield too easily. And our defensive shape was easily breached. The coaching team should use this game as a key learning video. No doubt Lokonga and Tavares aided too many of their attacks too.

Ode is still too lightweight to be our creative mid. Not someone I would want to depend on.

Ah well, not the end of the world for us. I think we can still aim for 4th.

Gidday G7 ..... it a collective thing not a question of Ødegaard too lightweight Aubameyang passed his best , swap both of them into a Liverpool shirt and they'd have performed well .

We need to function as a team , everybody playing their role .
When you display as many weaknesses / basic errors as we did today the introduction of Messi , Ronaldo in their prime wouldn't have made any difference .
Liverpool's play today is a model we should aspire to .
The spat between Arteta and Klopp seemed to galvanise them into action we were quite comfortable up to that point . :laughing7:

I think you’ve made some good points there kiwi. I was surprised by gooner7’s description of Ødegaard as too lightweight. I actually felt he did well after coming on and did enough to count as one of our better players on the day.

I always think there’s a tendency in some fans to overreact to bad defeats, or indeed any defeats - even narrow ones. gooner7 is right that Tavares and Lokonga’s performances were disappointing. I think it’s guaranteed that Tierney will come back into the team for the Newcastle game. I don’t know how close Xhaka is to fitness but when he is I reckon we’ll see him back in the side too. But had Tierney and Xhaka played yesterday I still think we’d have lost, albeit 3-0 instead of 4-0 as I doubt Tierney would have given Liverpool their second goal as Tavares did.

Yesterday’s result does not make us a poor team. All it showed is that currently Liverpool are way ahead of us. But we all knew that anyway.

Bernard · **#355865**

Pleasing to see the women’s team beat Manchester United 0-2 away today. It was live on the BBC as well.

long time gooner · **#355866**

Bernard wrote:

Yesterday’s result does not make us a poor team. All it showed is that currently Liverpool are way ahead of us. But we all knew that anyway.

Spot on Bernard. And I’m hoping that our emergent players will have learned and benefitted from the masterclass.

Newcastle next.

Rich · **#355867**

The top 3 each have a full back (or two) who are technically brilliant and as creative as a No.10! Reece James, Trent and Cancelo are quite brilliant. I like Tierney, Tomiyasu and Tavares but none of them are close to the quality on the ball those 3 have. Full backs tend to get more space and time on the ball so having that ability on the ball in those positions is a huge assist to those 3 teams.

kiwipete · **#355868**

Bernard wrote:

kiwipete wrote:

Gidday G7 ..... it a collective thing not a question of Ødegaard too lightweight Aubameyang passed his best , swap both of them into a Liverpool shirt and they'd have performed well .

We need to function as a team , everybody playing their role .
When you display as many weaknesses / basic errors as we did today the introduction of Messi , Ronaldo in their prime wouldn't have made any difference .
Liverpool's play today is a model we should aspire to .
The spat between Arteta and Klopp seemed to galvanise them into action we were quite comfortable up to that point . :laughing7:

I think you’ve made some good points there kiwi. I was surprised by gooner7’s description of Ødegaard as too lightweight. I actually felt he did well after coming on and did enough to count as one of our better players on the day.

I always think there’s a tendency in some fans to overreact to bad defeats, or indeed any defeats - even narrow ones. gooner7 is right that Tavares and Lokonga’s performances were disappointing. I think it’s guaranteed that Tierney will come back into the team for the Newcastle game. I don’t know how close Xhaka is to fitness but when he is I reckon we’ll see him back in the side too. But had Tierney and Xhaka played yesterday I still think we’d have lost, albeit 3-0 instead of 4-0 as I doubt Tierney would have given Liverpool their second goal as Tavares did.

Yesterday’s result does not make us a poor team. All it showed is that currently Liverpool are way ahead of us. But we all knew that anyway.

Thanks Bernard ...... I'd be very interested in listening to both managers half time instructions

... guessing I'd think Klopp thought "Okay they held us pretty much in the first half how can I change things" whereas Mikael thought we did well there carry on the same .

van Dyke said they were told move further forward concentrate on pressing us , which worked a treat Tavares and Lakonga confirming their youth .

Very interesting match against the Geordies .... have we taken this match on the chin and moved on or do we wilt like a two month old floral display ....?

Right on about the fans one defeat and .......... "spend some f(*(*&&^money " becomes the catchcry .

Brighton , Palace , West Ham have all got good results against Liverpool and haven't spent truckloads of cash .

It's all about getting the team to collectively function well rather than installing individually brilliant players .

kiwipete · **#355869**

Rich wrote:

Strange that Klopp was so adamant there was no foul in the Mané challenge on Tomiyasu that sparked the touchline argument. I thought it was a clear foul as Mané led with the arm in to the face and could have easily been a yellow.

I thought it was a clear foul but Klopp can be quite rabidly passionate , getting his gonads in a real Gordian knot .

Part of his reaction was fueled by some earlier match [ think versus Real Madrid ] where play acting got Mané a yellow .

Jurgen then had to replace for fear of another yellow leading to a red . He figured the same was happening there .

kiwipete · **#355870**

gooner7 wrote:

The way I saw it, Ramsdale kept it at 0-0 for a long time. We could have been 2 or 3 down even before their first goal.
.

Little educational post here for you young Singaporean ......... Ramsdale is our goalkeeper , stopping the ball going into our net is his job . :icon_mrgreen1:

bubblechris · **#355871**

TOP GUN wrote:

bubblechris wrote:

I disagree. Was it the season we lost 6-2 or was it 8-2 to United that we went on and won the league, or was I dreaming?

This will put people's feet back on the ground. Make us play better. Liverpool always pull a brilliant game out of the bag against us there aren't many teams that would have not lost to them in this form, they were awesome much as I hate to say it.

Everyone knows our problem now is up front. I believe most want Aubameyang and Lacazette moved on as soon as possible and a new front 2 bought or brought on. For me it would be Balogun and Nketiah week in week out till they click then *%^@ me we'll be so proud of OUR team.

Partey is a problem methinks is it fitness or not quite what we need, We have the attacking options now we need a Kante or a Bissouma to shut things down and win games for us.

I think our main problem yesterday was in midfield. An unfit partey and lokonga just totally out of his depth like a rabbit caught in headlights. We just didn’t show enough gumption and bravery on the ball in this part of the pitch. Technically as we know we could do with some more passing ability here as well.

You are right a new striker is required that provides some new options but generally a valid and true post from you here.

We all know a bit more surgery is required and if you can get Lacazette, nketiah and elneny off the wage bill your saving best part of 300k a week for the new players we need

Thank you TG. In a spirit of conciliation I have parked the Brexit and Boris comments I was about to post post and instead wish you and yours a very Merry Christmas. God bless ya.

bubblechris · **#355872**

John while I am in a goodish mood sincere belated condolences on the death of your father.

You were very lucky you had your rock for so long. Mine passed over 30 years ago and I still miss him so much. God bless ya and have a good Christmas.
:12hello-bye:

john1 · **#355873**

bubblechris wrote:

John while I am in a goodish mood sincere belated condolences on the death of your father.

You were very lucky you had your rock for so long. Mine passed over 30 years ago and I still miss him so much. God bless ya and have a good Christmas.
:12hello-bye:

Thanks Chris

AmericanGooner · **#355874**

Hopefully at some point we'll exact our revenge against Liverpool. The club I want to get revenge the most is Man Utd. I want to put 9 past them and I hope I live to see it.

Rich · **#355875**

long time gooner wrote:

Bernard wrote:

Yesterday’s result does not make us a poor team. All it showed is that currently Liverpool are way ahead of us. But we all knew that anyway.

Spot on Bernard. And I’m hoping that our emergent players will have learned and benefitted from the masterclass.

Newcastle next.

Agree with you both. I think it also shows the gulf in class between the top 3 and the rest. We've caught them all on a good day, and us on a bad day or fairly weakened for a few of them and got pummelled 11-0 on aggregate. It is easy to look at other teams picking up points against these 3, Burnley drew with Chelsea, City were beaten by Palace, Liverpool drew at home to brighton - but these results are real bonuses for the teams that do it and realistically being consistent against all the similar teams from 4th-10th is what is going to make a great season for us rather than a poor one.
For me, certainly this season, the joy of beating Leicester away 2-0 far outweighs the disappointment of losing 4-0 to Liverpool as it is a matter of expectations.
Newcastle at home is a must win and we should win and have won that sort of game pretty consistently with good and bad Arsenal teams - where we can judge ourselves much better is the upcoming away game to Man U and Everton and the home game vs West Ham. Take 7 points from those 3 games and top 4 is a more serious possibility.

Rich · **#355876**

AmericanGooner wrote:

Hopefully at some point we'll exact our revenge against Liverpool. The club I want to get revenge the most is Man Utd. I want to put 9 past them and I hope I live to see it.

The frustrating part for me is we've had some pretty heavy defeats against these teams for some years now but when we were top dogs I don't recall many thrashings we handed out to the other big teams. Like you, I'd love to give one of them a big thrashing soon!

AmericanGooner · **#355877**

Things go in cycles. I wasn't around but I have to think it looked like Liverpool was going to win titles for ever if you watched them in the 70s and 80s and if someone said they'd go about 2 decades without a title, you'd get laughed at.

I also have to assume, anyone who saw Man Utd in the 70s and 80s and said they would go on a 2 decade run, winnin CLs and a treble, they'd laugh their Arsenals off.

It's been about a dozen years or so that we were really good. We'll get there I think despite the present ownership.

Darren · **#355878**

AmericanGooner wrote:

Things go in cycles. I wasn't around but I have to think it looked like Liverpool was going to win titles for ever if you watched them in the 70s and 80s and if someone said they'd go about 2 decades without a title, you'd get laughed at.

I also have to assume, anyone who saw Man Utd in the 70s and 80s and said they would go on a 2 decade run, winnin CLs and a treble, they'd laugh their Arsenals off.

It's been about a dozen years or so that we were really good. We'll get there I think despite the present ownership.

The game has changed since those days. It's almost fully financial now. Newcastle will be up there in the next five years due to their newly aquired financial capabilities, that's nothing to do with the natural cycle of football. I'd be happy getting back into the top 4. I think this is as good as we can hope for for the foreseeable future.

Darren · **#355879**

I saw a tweet this morning that said it's weird to see Utd, Arsenal, Milan, Barca etc all being mediocre as you just assumed theyd always be amongst the best in Europe. It's down to money - despite a few outliers like Liverpool - who are still a very wealthy club. PSG, City, Chelsea, Newcastle (soon) etc. It's just the new order now. Big, state owned or state backed owners. We're not winning the league for years IMO.

EDIT -obvs Utd are down to rank mismanagement too, but egenerally speaking you get my point.

gooner7 · **#355880**

Bernard wrote:

kiwipete wrote:

Gidday G7 ..... it a collective thing not a question of Ødegaard too lightweight Aubameyang passed his best , swap both of them into a Liverpool shirt and they'd have performed well .

We need to function as a team , everybody playing their role .
When you display as many weaknesses / basic errors as we did today the introduction of Messi , Ronaldo in their prime wouldn't have made any difference .
Liverpool's play today is a model we should aspire to .
The spat between Arteta and Klopp seemed to galvanise them into action we were quite comfortable up to that point . :laughing7:

I think you’ve made some good points there kiwi. I was surprised by gooner7’s description of Ødegaard as too lightweight. I actually felt he did well after coming on and did enough to count as one of our better players on the day.

I always think there’s a tendency in some fans to overreact to bad defeats, or indeed any defeats - even narrow ones. gooner7 is right that Tavares and Lokonga’s performances were disappointing. I think it’s guaranteed that Tierney will come back into the team for the Newcastle game. I don’t know how close Xhaka is to fitness but when he is I reckon we’ll see him back in the side too. But had Tierney and Xhaka played yesterday I still think we’d have lost, albeit 3-0 instead of 4-0 as I doubt Tierney would have given Liverpool their second goal as Tavares did.

Yesterday’s result does not make us a poor team. All it showed is that currently Liverpool are way ahead of us. But we all knew that anyway.

Bernard, I'm still hoping we can find a Vieira type attacking mid. Ode is good but not a game changer. Lacazette imposes himself on the game better than Ode, IMHO.

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