Fixtures Sunday May 12th - Manchester United - Old Trafford - 4:30 Pm

Kick-Off

       Injuries                 Steve Gleiber



Get the Latest Post Go to the Bottom of Page It is currently Wed May 08, 2024 6:01 pm

All times are UTC


  


Reply to topic

Users browsing this forum: AmericanGooner, Bing [Bot], bubblechris, Googlebot and 54 guests

 
Post #354281  Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 6:04 pm 
Offline

Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2008 3:21 pm
Posts: 16415
Location: Stockholm

That's a good chance, need to do more things like that with Brighton pressing on.


 Profile  
 
 
Post #354282  Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 6:04 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jan 13, 2008 12:22 pm
Posts: 20613

Emile Smith Rowe is a player


 Profile  
 
 
Post #354283  Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 6:06 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jan 24, 2008 2:55 pm
Posts: 11534
Location: Singapore

Lacazette and Pépé are making a difference

_________________
Onwards and Upwards!


 Profile  
 
 
Post #354284  Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 6:11 pm 
Online

Joined: Sun Jan 13, 2008 7:31 pm
Posts: 4237
Location: Turnford, Broxbourne, Herts

Lacazette's a better fit the way we play think Aubameyang needs some time on the bench.


 Profile  
 
 
Post #354285  Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 6:13 pm 
Offline

Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2008 3:21 pm
Posts: 16415
Location: Stockholm

It's so easy for them to win the ball back


 Profile  
 
 
Post #354286  Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 6:13 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2008 7:45 am
Posts: 25814

Awesome. Ramsdale.

_________________
I believe in our team, I believe in our quality and I am convinced that I am right. (Arsene Wenger Dec 08)


 Profile  
 
 
Post #354287  Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 6:14 pm 
Online

Joined: Sun Jan 13, 2008 7:31 pm
Posts: 4237
Location: Turnford, Broxbourne, Herts

Very


 Profile  
 
 
Post #354288  Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 6:14 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jan 24, 2008 2:55 pm
Posts: 11534
Location: Singapore

AMN or Martinelli for Saka. Saka is knackered.

_________________
Onwards and Upwards!


 Profile  
 
 
Post #354289  Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 6:17 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jan 13, 2008 12:22 pm
Posts: 20613

Brighton so much more tenacious


 Profile  
 
 
Post #354290  Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 6:20 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2008 7:45 am
Posts: 25814

This game is not going to live long in the memory. Rather like visual mogadon.

_________________
I believe in our team, I believe in our quality and I am convinced that I am right. (Arsene Wenger Dec 08)


 Profile  
 
 
Post #354291  Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 6:20 pm 
Offline

Joined: Tue Jan 08, 2008 8:02 pm
Posts: 18441

Decent point in difficult circumstances. Rode our luck no doubt but don’t let the doom mongers fool you,we missed the best chance of the game.

The commentators were desperate for Arsenal to lose that.


 Profile  
 
 
Post #354292  Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 6:20 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jan 14, 2008 4:02 am
Posts: 2735
Location: Liverpool

Uninspiring.

Saka and Smith Rowe good, Lokonga solid enough.

Could have been one of those games where we folded, but we didn’t.

Small steps.

_________________
Gorau chwarae cyd chwarae


 Profile  
 
 
Post #354293  Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 6:21 pm 
Offline

Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2008 3:21 pm
Posts: 16415
Location: Stockholm

A lot of teams will come to Brighton and struggle, but you have to say that's a poor performance from us. Couldn't get any rhythm going all game, and we had no answer to Brightons pressing and intensity.


 Profile  
 
 
Post #354294  Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 6:22 pm 
Offline

Joined: Sat Jan 19, 2008 6:57 pm
Posts: 26826

Thanks on Moss, play well over the 93 minutes while Brighton attack and then blow the whistle as Arsenal break.

0-0 will have to be a point gained than 2 points lost. Brighton are an impressive team, we weren't at the races


 Profile  
 
 
Post #354295  Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 6:22 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jan 23, 2008 4:33 pm
Posts: 7096

Hazuki wrote:
A lot of teams will come to Brighton and struggle, but you have to say that's a poor performance from us. Couldn't get any rhythm going all game, and we had no answer to Brightons pressing and intensity.

We were second best all night. Got away with a point so it could have been worse.


 Profile  
 
 
Post #354296  Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 6:24 pm 
Online

Joined: Sun Jan 13, 2008 7:31 pm
Posts: 4237
Location: Turnford, Broxbourne, Herts

I think Palace will be a similar game.


 Profile  
 
 
Post #354297  Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 6:24 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jan 24, 2008 2:55 pm
Posts: 11534
Location: Singapore

Fair point earned. We don't deserve anything more from today's game.

_________________
Onwards and Upwards!


 Profile  
 
 
Post #354298  Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 6:24 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jan 13, 2008 12:22 pm
Posts: 20613

That was a great point because we were shite and Brighton wasted some fantastic opportunities.

A disappointing, some might say lacklustre, performance that raised more questions than it provided answers.

Emile Smith Rowe top performance in difficult conditions.

Saka good, Gabriel and White decent. Ramsdale made a couple of good saves. Not much else to say really.


 Profile  
 
 
Post #354299  Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 6:25 pm 
Offline

Joined: Sat Jan 19, 2008 6:57 pm
Posts: 26826

Brighton the netter team but how often did they really trouble Ramsdale? Did he have to make any really good saves - there was the palm out of the cross at the end that was very good. But if we'd played at home as brighton did and didn't fashion clear cut chances with all the possession and dominance they had there would be plenty of Arsenal fans saying we didn't deserve to win because we didn't hurt the opposition enough. It took Brighton until the 80th minute to have a shot on target.

Important not to lose that though going in to the 2 week international break. 2 weeks for Arteta to coach an intensive press that Brighton displayed today.

Most Arsenal fans wouldn't swap any of Brighton's players with ours but they were impressive


 Profile  
 
 
Post #354300  Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 6:26 pm 
Offline

Joined: Sat Jan 19, 2008 6:57 pm
Posts: 26826

bubblechris wrote:
I think Palace will be a similar game.

Surely not. We're at home to Palace, I'd expect us to dominate possession and territory and Palace playing mainly on the counter.

Unless you were suggesting by the Palace game being similar that we'd be taking on the Brighton role and Palace the Arsenal role :laughing7:


 Profile  
 
 
Post #354301  Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 6:54 pm 
Offline

Joined: Sat Jan 19, 2008 6:57 pm
Posts: 26826

First time I’ve watched Brighton this season. A back 3 of Dunk, Duffy, Burn are not the trio you would be confident holding a high line and playing out from the back, but Potter has a system where it works.

Coming back to stats, last year Brighton were a clinical striker away from being a top 6 club based on expected goals, from box to box they are generally very very good, they just struggle the finish.


 Profile  
 
 
Post #354302  Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 8:21 pm 
Offline

Joined: Sat Jan 19, 2008 6:57 pm
Posts: 26826

Looking at our next 4 away, Leicester, Liverpool, Man U, everton…..we need to be taking maximum points from the next 4 at home, palace, villa, watford, Newcastle


 Profile  
 
 
Post #354303  Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 8:53 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jun 21, 2018 5:27 pm
Posts: 11163

socrates wrote:
No central midfield. This is where Arteta has to change something

To be fair socrates, Arteta has spent £90m on our three central midfielders today (Partey £45m, Lokonga £15m, Ødegaard £30m) in the last twelve months. I think it’s reasonable to say he has addressed that area of the pitch.


 Profile  
 
 
Post #354304  Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 9:04 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jan 13, 2008 12:22 pm
Posts: 20613

Bernard wrote:
socrates wrote:
No central midfield. This is where Arteta has to change something

To be fair socrates, Arteta has spent £90m on our three central midfielders today (Partey £45m, Lokonga £15m, Ødegaard £30m) in the last twelve months. I think it’s reasonable to say he has addressed that area of the pitch.


Hi Bernard,

I was talking about changing something in today's game. I thought our midfield was poor and failed to function as it needed to to give us a proper foothold in the game. Partey, Ødegaard and Lokonga were all pretty poor for most of the game.

Lokonga kept dropping into a left back position, presumably under instruction to cover Tierney's forward runs, but it left us light in midfield.


 Profile  
 
 
Post #354305  Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 9:26 pm 
Offline

Joined: Tue Jan 08, 2008 8:02 pm
Posts: 18441

Yes agree Glenn. Some of our fans need to take a good look at themselves

https://twitter.com/ddoublepivot/status ... 63110?s=21


 Profile  
 
 
Post #354306  Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 9:49 pm 
Offline

Joined: Sat Aug 28, 2021 3:42 pm
Posts: 82

Almost afraid to admit I watched the WSL game live. I enjoyed it though.


 Profile  
 
 
Post #354307  Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 9:57 pm 
Offline

Joined: Sat Aug 28, 2021 3:42 pm
Posts: 82

socrates wrote:
Bernard wrote:
To be fair socrates, Arteta has spent £90m on our three central midfielders today (Partey £45m, Lokonga £15m, Ødegaard £30m) in the last twelve months. I think it’s reasonable to say he has addressed that area of the pitch.

I was talking about changing something in today's game. I thought our midfield was poor and failed to function as it needed to to give us a proper foothold in the game. Partey, Ødegaard and Lokonga were all pretty poor for most of the game.

If Partey, Ødegaard and Lokonga were all poor, what options were there? AMN? Elneny? I don't see that myself. Never easy for a manager when all the main options in a position are having a bad day.

I've only really read comments, but it seems we were defensively resilient which is a positive change from the first three games. We just haven't shown much offensively except in the Spurs game. We're as toothless as Brighton at the moment, so 0-0 isn't a huge surprise.


 Profile  
 
 
Post #354308  Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2021 1:45 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jan 24, 2008 2:55 pm
Posts: 11534
Location: Singapore

socrates wrote:
Bernard wrote:
To be fair socrates, Arteta has spent £90m on our three central midfielders today (Partey £45m, Lokonga £15m, Ødegaard £30m) in the last twelve months. I think it’s reasonable to say he has addressed that area of the pitch.


Hi Bernard,

I was talking about changing something in today's game. I thought our midfield was poor and failed to function as it needed to to give us a proper foothold in the game. Partey, Ødegaard and Lokonga were all pretty poor for most of the game.

Lokonga kept dropping into a left back position, presumably under instruction to cover Tierney's forward runs, but it left us light in midfield.


While on the other side, Saka was not covering Tomiyasu enough in the first half. Tomiyasu was being over-ran too often. Arteta addressed that in the second half.

_________________
Onwards and Upwards!


 Profile  
 
 
Post #354309  Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2021 5:27 am 
Online
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jan 14, 2008 2:58 am
Posts: 34207

My post disappeared. Okay, anyway, obviously we didn't play well enough. Especially compared the efforta against sperz. It was our first tough away game since we started playing well. It could have been much better. The 'good' I'm taking from this game is that we'd have lost this game a month ago, 2 or 3 to nothing.

We should beat Palace. I obviously have a soft spot for their manager as well as their team. I want us win nonetheless.

_________________
"Never relegated, Never Will Be" :)


 Profile  
 
 
Post #354310  Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2021 5:50 am 
Offline

Joined: Sat Jan 19, 2008 6:57 pm
Posts: 26826

I read that Derby still owe us £8m from the Bielik transfer. Not sure the methods of getting that money from a club in administration


 Profile  
 
 
Post #354311  Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:49 am 
Offline

Joined: Sat Jan 19, 2008 6:57 pm
Posts: 26826

Lokonga being asked to drop in to the positions Xhaka usually takes up didn’t seem to work yesterday. I didn’t think Lokonga was poor it’s just his natural game seems quite similar to Partey. I wonder whether we would have benefitted from having Ødegaard play a bit deeper to get our most technical player on the ball in deeper areas to get through the press.

Brighton’s back 3 seemed happy to go man to man on our front 3 which gave their wing backs licence to really push on and with support from their midfield 3 we were getting outnumbered in wide positions. Cucerella was very good on their left.

If you play against the very organised high press then you either bypass it by going more direct, which is probably more Lacazette’s game holding the ball up, or you need to get through that press early on to make the opponent just back off slightly as they realise you can cut through them.


 Profile  
 
 
Post #354312  Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2021 7:08 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jan 13, 2008 12:22 pm
Posts: 20613

Rich wrote:
I read that Derby still owe us £8m from the Bielik transfer. Not sure the methods of getting that money from a club in administration


Hi Rich,

Can we get the player back?


 Profile  
 
 
Post #354313  Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2021 7:16 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jan 13, 2008 12:22 pm
Posts: 20613

Rich wrote:
Lokonga being asked to drop in to the positions Xhaka usually takes up didn’t seem to work yesterday. I didn’t think Lokonga was poor it’s just his natural game seems quite similar to Partey. I wonder whether we would have benefitted from having Ødegaard play a bit deeper to get our most technical player on the ball in deeper areas to get through the press.



It left our midfield light of a body and made it very difficult to get any control of the game in the middle of the park.

It's a difficult one because it many teams Tierney's overlaps and crosses would be a potent weapon but not in ours.

I've always said that well directed crosses into the area of uncertainty between the 6 yard box and the penalty spot are big attacking weapons, as United showed during their peak years, but they only really work well if you get bodies in the box on the end of them. Aubameyang is not really a big threat aerially or physically and quite often he is our only body in the box. It means Tierney's crosses need to be pinpoint accurate for him to benefit from them.


 Profile  
 
 
Post #354314  Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2021 7:30 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jan 13, 2008 12:22 pm
Posts: 20613

When we have a week in between games to prepare the very least I expect is for us to be physically and mentally ready and we didn't look that way yesterday.

There appeared too little intensity and I thought Arteta's tactics were very passive. Where was the desire to take the game to Brighton, to create chances and really give them a game.

Brighton are a decent side but we have to start giving decent sides a proper game, home and away.

Despite having two of the brightest young attacking talents in the PL we can't score goals. It's a massive problem.


 Profile  
 
 
Post #354315  Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2021 8:42 am 
Offline

Joined: Sat Jan 19, 2008 6:57 pm
Posts: 26826

Partey only won 2 of 12 duels he contested. Not laying the blame at his feet so let as I suspect lots of the team would have similar stats, but that’s really poor for a central midfielder. It meant we failed to retain possession or any control in the middle of the pitch


 Profile  
 
 
Post #354316  Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2021 9:35 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Oct 01, 2010 10:12 am
Posts: 4131
Location: Melbourne

socrates wrote:
Rich wrote:
Lokonga being asked to drop in to the positions Xhaka usually takes up didn’t seem to work yesterday. I didn’t think Lokonga was poor it’s just his natural game seems quite similar to Partey. I wonder whether we would have benefitted from having Ødegaard play a bit deeper to get our most technical player on the ball in deeper areas to get through the press.



It left our midfield light of a body and made it very difficult to get any control of the game in the middle of the park.

It's a difficult one because it many teams Tierney's overlaps and crosses would be a potent weapon but not in ours.

I've always said that well directed crosses into the area of uncertainty between the 6 yard box and the penalty spot are big attacking weapons, as United showed during their peak years, but they only really work well if you get bodies in the box on the end of them. Aubameyang is not really a big threat aerially or physically and quite often he is our only body in the box. It means Tierney's crosses need to be pinpoint accurate for him to benefit from them.


Was thinking the same thing during the match. Not much point of getting Tierney forward if there's nothing for him to aim at in the middle. But I also don't want to downplay Brighton who played very well and had a lot more experience on the pitch who could read the game on the fly and apply pressure. I only saw it yesterday that Arsenal have the youngest team in the league with many still trying to figure out how to play together. I'm certainly happy with 10 points from 12 and like you said last week after Spurs, there will be a few bumps.


 Profile  
 
 
Post #354317  Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2021 9:36 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Oct 01, 2010 10:12 am
Posts: 4131
Location: Melbourne

Rich wrote:
Partey only won 2 of 12 duels he contested. Not laying the blame at his feet so let as I suspect lots of the team would have similar stats, but that’s really poor for a central midfielder. It meant we failed to retain possession or any control in the middle of the pitch


Not sure what he's doing on the training pitch either cos his shooting was atrocious. :)


 Profile  
 
 
Post #354318  Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2021 10:22 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jun 21, 2018 5:27 pm
Posts: 11163

Rich wrote:
Partey only won 2 of 12 duels he contested. Not laying the blame at his feet so let as I suspect lots of the team would have similar stats, but that’s really poor for a central midfielder. It meant we failed to retain possession or any control in the middle of the pitch

I thought last week’s Tottenham game was Partey’s best performance so far in an Arsenal shirt. To say he didn’t reach the same level yesterday wouldn’t qualify you to be a master of the understatement. It would make you a doctor of the understatement.


 Profile  
 
 
Post #354319  Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2021 10:24 am 
Offline

Joined: Sat Aug 28, 2021 3:42 pm
Posts: 82

grantyboy wrote:
Rich wrote:
Partey only won 2 of 12 duels he contested. Not laying the blame at his feet so let as I suspect lots of the team would have similar stats, but that’s really poor for a central midfielder. It meant we failed to retain possession or any control in the middle of the pitch


Not sure what he's doing on the training pitch either cos his shooting was atrocious. :)

Totally off form or just missing Xhaka?


 Profile  
 
 
Post #354320  Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2021 10:32 am 
Offline

Joined: Sat Aug 28, 2021 3:42 pm
Posts: 82

socrates wrote:
Aubameyang is not really a big threat aerially or physically and quite often he is our only body in the box. It means Tierney's crosses need to be pinpoint accurate for him to benefit from them.


We have an unresolved striker problem. Lacazette has never been as prolific for us as his previous stats, and general quality, suggest he ought to be. Eddie and Balogun aren't good enough (yet). This leaves us with Aubameyang who has been out of form; much closer to it vs Spurs but off it again yesterday; and he's a very particular type of striker anyway, and I'm not convinced Arteta is building a team style to play to his strengths (which is fair enough since he's unlikely to be here when this team hits its peak years). I think that the various bits of transfer speculation about Lacazette and Aubameyang, and singing a new striker, are partly because many people see this.


 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
     [ 390594 posts ] 
Go to page Previous  1 ... 8855, 8856, 8857, 8858, 8859, 8860, 8861 ... 9765  Next

All times are UTC

Gooners Online - Click to see what Everyones Doing

Colour Key:  Visited Profile    Members Profile      Admin

Get Latest Post

Users browsing this forum: AmericanGooner, Bing [Bot], bubblechris, Googlebot and 54 guests


Search for:

Go to Top

Powered by php BB © 1993 - 2018