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Post #351041  Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2021 9:51 pm 
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Decaf wrote:
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And you come across as driven to double down on any previous comment you’ve made no matter how outright ludicrous.
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:53big-emoticons: :53big-emoticons: Well done, Mr 'whatever he's got, I'm going all in on my pair of twos'. That has to take the cake as the least self-aware post in the history of the forum! Even Chocolate Gooner was Zen-like in comparison.


Hardly, I often change my opinion on the state of the union and reserve my right to do that! you come across increasingly as a Richard Hammond type though. The one who tries to have a dig after someone else has thrown a failing boot before you and failed,


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Post #351042  Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2021 9:53 pm 
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Get a life.

Couldn't agree more. What a load of utterly disrespectful, over the top, drivel from Top Gun.


If you can’t tell when someone is having a laugh and not being serious you need to take a real look at yourself.


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Post #351043  Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2021 10:04 pm 
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I paid whatever I paid to watch the Manchester City League Cup final. We lost 0-3, and the defeat didn’t happen because Mustafi made an error on Aguero’s goal. We lost because we were hopelessly outplayed by a better team on the day. Just as Mustafi has the right to be paid a £100 grand a week, you of course have the right to come across a bitter person driven by personal dislikes.

And you come across as driven to double down on any previous comment you’ve made no matter how outright ludicrous.

Of course mustafi was a major contributor in that defeat.

But we didn’t lose the game because of Mustafi’s error with Ageuro’s goal. Just like we didn’t lose because Aubameyang missed a sitter to give us an early lead before it. We lost because City outclassed us that day.

My paragraph in the post you replied to with your paragraph below was as follows: “All of Kolasinac, Mustafi, Xhaka and Willian are or were Premier League players for a club of Arsenal’s standing. But also, they are full internationals and in the cases of Willian and Mustafi, for two of the world’s most outstanding national teams in the modern era, if not any era. They are NOT rubbish or useless, and it’s silly to use such words to describe them.”

Really, why is that ‘outright ludicrous’, as you call it? Read the paragraph you wrote about Mustafi again. It was, verbatim:

“In fact if Shkodran was here today Id tell him what a cheap, lying, no-good, rotten, four-flushing, low-life, snake-licking, dirt-eating, inbred, overstuffed, ignorant, blood-sucking, dog-kissing, brainless, dickless, hopeless, heartless, fat-ass, bug-eyed, stiff-legged, spotty-lipped, worm-headed sack of monkey shite he is! Hallelujah”

People here will read that. I wonder if they think the same way as me? That it doesn’t give a positive impression of you.


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Post #351044  Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2021 10:08 pm 
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Couldn't agree more. What a load of utterly disrespectful, over the top, drivel from Top Gun.

If you can’t tell when someone is having a laugh and not being serious you need to take a real look at yourself.

Phew! Perhaps you do realise how badly you came across. That’s a positive.


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Post #351045  Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2021 10:14 pm 
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Bernard wrote:
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And you come across as driven to double down on any previous comment you’ve made no matter how outright ludicrous.

Of course mustafi was a major contributor in that defeat.

But we didn’t lose the game because of Mustafi’s error with Ageuro’s goal. Just like we didn’t lose because Aubameyang missed a sitter to give us an early lead before it. We lost because City outclassed us that day.

My paragraph in the post you replied to with your paragraph below was as follows: “All of Kolasinac, Mustafi, Xhaka and Willian are or were Premier League players for a club of Arsenal’s standing. But also, they are full internationals and in the cases of Willian and Mustafi, for two of the world’s most outstanding national teams in the modern era, if not any era. They are NOT rubbish or useless, and it’s silly to use such words to describe them.”

Really, why is that ‘outright ludicrous’, as you call it? Read the paragraph you wrote about Mustafi again. It was, verbatim:

“In fact if Shkodran was here today Id tell him what a cheap, lying, no-good, rotten, four-flushing, low-life, snake-licking, dirt-eating, inbred, overstuffed, ignorant, blood-sucking, dog-kissing, brainless, dickless, hopeless, heartless, fat-ass, bug-eyed, stiff-legged, spotty-lipped, worm-headed sack of monkey shite he is! Hallelujah”

People here will read that. I wonder if they think the same way as me? .


Only the blatantly thick would think that. It’s obvious I’m satirising your earlier comments, I obviously clearly have no knowledge if mustafi eats dirts or licks snakes. I’m quite content that if the stupid that unfortunately stand amongst us on the forum are unable to grasp the comments in their intention then they will be misinterpreted. Fair enough I won’t explain everything.

That all said I still think it’s ok to call Mustafi useless. *%^@ me what a donkey.


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Post #351046  Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2021 10:49 pm 
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But we didn’t lose the game because of Mustafi’s error with Ageuro’s goal. Just like we didn’t lose because Aubameyang missed a sitter to give us an early lead before it. We lost because City outclassed us that day.

My paragraph in the post you replied to with your paragraph below was as follows: “All of Kolasinac, Mustafi, Xhaka and Willian are or were Premier League players for a club of Arsenal’s standing. But also, they are full internationals and in the cases of Willian and Mustafi, for two of the world’s most outstanding national teams in the modern era, if not any era. They are NOT rubbish or useless, and it’s silly to use such words to describe them.”

Really, why is that ‘outright ludicrous’, as you call it? Read the paragraph you wrote about Mustafi again. It was, verbatim:

“In fact if Shkodran was here today Id tell him what a cheap, lying, no-good, rotten, four-flushing, low-life, snake-licking, dirt-eating, inbred, overstuffed, ignorant, blood-sucking, dog-kissing, brainless, dickless, hopeless, heartless, fat-ass, bug-eyed, stiff-legged, spotty-lipped, worm-headed sack of monkey shite he is! Hallelujah”

People here will read that. I wonder if they think the same way as me? .


Only the blatantly thick would think that. It’s obvious I’m satirising your earlier comments, I obviously clearly have no knowledge if mustafi eats dirts or licks snakes. I’m quite content that if the stupid that unfortunately stand amongst us on the forum are unable to grasp the comments in their intention then they will be misinterpreted. Fair enough I won’t explain everything.

That all said I still think it’s ok to call Mustafi useless. *%^@ me what a donkey.

Oh please stop digging. You may have some self assessment afterall, because you have realised what a fool you looked and your full retreat is on with this post.

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Post #351047  Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2021 11:14 pm 
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Only the blatantly thick would think that. It’s obvious I’m satirising your earlier comments, I obviously clearly have no knowledge if mustafi eats dirts or licks snakes. I’m quite content that if the stupid that unfortunately stand amongst us on the forum are unable to grasp the comments in their intention then they will be misinterpreted. Fair enough I won’t explain everything.

That all said I still think it’s ok to call Mustafi useless. *%^@ me what a donkey.

Oh please stop digging. You may have some self assessment afterall, because you have realised what a fool you looked and your full retreat is on with this post.


You turn up for 2 things. First is to gloat at an arsenal defeat 2nd is talk any nonsense relative to anything I post. Without that everything you say is ignored thankfully.

If you have no conception of satire you should be ignored but it’s kinda cute you believe I might give actually give a *%^@ what an idiot like you or a complete bigot like Gunfire would have thought about that post


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Only the blatantly thick would think that. It’s obvious I’m satirising your earlier comments, I obviously clearly have no knowledge if mustafi eats dirts or licks snakes. I’m quite content that if the stupid that unfortunately stand amongst us on the forum are unable to grasp the comments in their intention then they will be misinterpreted. Fair enough I won’t explain everything.

That all said I still think it’s ok to call Mustafi useless. *%^@ me what a donkey.

But your language is so often way over the top. Not only about players, but when insulting other forum members. The way you speak to people (I’m using ‘speak’ to cover the written word) is so extreme and unnecessary. Moreover I think you’ve lost a great credibility because of it.

A bit of advice, free of charge. When you’ve written one of your ‘over the top’ insulting posts with extreme language to members here or about players, before you press the submit button take a deep breath and consider this. Do you really want to give that impression of yourself?

There are better ways to put across your opinions.


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Post #351049  Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2021 12:36 am 
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Bernard wrote:
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Only the blatantly thick would think that. It’s obvious I’m satirising your earlier comments, I obviously clearly have no knowledge if mustafi eats dirts or licks snakes. I’m quite content that if the stupid that unfortunately stand amongst us on the forum are unable to grasp the comments in their intention then they will be misinterpreted. Fair enough I won’t explain everything.

That all said I still think it’s ok to call Mustafi useless. *%^@ me what a donkey.

But your language is so often way over the top. Not only about players, but when insulting other forum members. The way you speak to people (I’m using ‘speak’ to cover the written word) is so extreme and unnecessary. Moreover I think you’ve lost a great credibility because of it.

A bit of advice, free of charge. When you’ve written one of your ‘over the top’ insulting posts with extreme language to members here or about players, before you press the submit button take a deep breath and consider this. Do you really want to give that impression of yourself?

There are better ways to put across your opinions.


No I think I’ll continue to stick up for myself when being attacked by assorted half wits cheers.

If you have a problem with my posts that’s what the block button is for.


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Maddison or bust then

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Post #351051  Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2021 12:47 am 
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Rich wrote:
I think we're probably all guilty of using hindsight on transfers. I'm sure there have been plenty of transfers that when they happened at the time Arsenal fans either got caught up in the excitement of a new signing, or didn't really have a bad word to say about the signing or perhaps a few grumblings. Possibly because with lots of the players we haven't actually seen them play and we look at the transfer fee rather than the wages.

For example:

Kolasinac was voted Bundesliga best left-back, was physically imposing and had a reputation for flying down the wing and providing lots of assists, and we signed him for free! At the time I don't think there were too many moans. Hindsight shows he wasn't good enough to justify his place in the team or his wages and now we are all grumbling about his signing because we can't shift a player we don't want.

There are probably similar arguments for Mustafi, Xhaka and Willian (although people definitely grumbled about the length of his contract)


I liked Kolasinac for a while. Was impressed with his pressing play down the left. Then he got lazy. And became too comfortable simply passing sideways or back. Not sure if his style was coached out of him, or it coincided with Özil being left out.

There was a time when we don't lose whenever Mustafi starts a game. That run went 180 degrees when we lost games when he starts.

Xhaka was blasting for goals from distance. He might have had one or two from those. Then those long distance tries stopped altogether.

It was just queer to see the 3 of them changing colours. Not sure who was the coach during that era. Definitely not Arteta yet.

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Pep confirms Bernardo Silva wants to leave City. Would you take him?

Out of interest - if we ignore price tags and just focus on the player, who would you rather have if Arsenal could only sign one of Ødegaard, Aouar, Maddison, Silva?

Now if we bring in possible price tags of:
Ødegaard £35m
Aouar £20m
Maddison £60m
Silva £45m
Who would you have?

ps: the price tag for Silva is my stab in the dark, the others are what has been widely reported)


Maddison, never mind the price tag, I'm not paying :icon_mrgreen1:

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But your language is so often way over the top. Not only about players, but when insulting other forum members. The way you speak to people (I’m using ‘speak’ to cover the written word) is so extreme and unnecessary. Moreover I think you’ve lost a great credibility because of it.

A bit of advice, free of charge. When you’ve written one of your ‘over the top’ insulting posts with extreme language to members here or about players, before you press the submit button take a deep breath and consider this. Do you really want to give that impression of yourself?

There are better ways to put across your opinions.

No I think I’ll continue to stick up for myself when being attacked by assorted half wits cheers.

If you have a problem with my posts that’s what the block button is for.

We’ll if you’re happy giving such a negative opinion of yourself by using insulting language so often, that’s for you to decide. After all, I think it’s hypocritical of you to imply you use it when being attacked. Your language is in my view way more aggressive than any other current member. Insulting people with extreme language, players and members, seems to be your modus operandi.


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Bernard wrote:
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No I think I’ll continue to stick up for myself when being attacked by assorted half wits cheers.

If you have a problem with my posts that’s what the block button is for.

We’ll if you’re happy giving such a negative opinion of yourself by using insulting language so often, that’s for you to decide. After all, I think it’s hypocritical of you to imply you use it when being attacked. Your language is in my view way more aggressive than any other current member. Insulting people with extreme language, players and members, seems to be your modus operandi.


Have to disagree on that one. Yeah we’ll try and keep your opinions to yourself.


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Mustafi...really, why drag him in it. It was obviously we were taken and the shock was that he got as many appearances as he did. A halfway decent purple patch for a few months where, it was mre he didn't make glaring mistakes than he played well, doesn't erase his Benny Hillesque compilation of errors.

I've mentioned it before, but the veeeeeery slight disconnect between AG's many, many, many posts ridiculing Mustafi, and his many, many, many posts complaining about being trolled by members of the SG forum is worth bringing up every now and again.


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I think Top Gun is a Psychologist, and he is using this forum as part of his research. How else to get research material, than to keep baiting them :42laughter:

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I think Top Gun is a Psychologist, and he is using this forum as part of his research. How else to get research material, than to keep baiting them :42laughter:


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I might be the only one but £25m a season for Messi doesn’t seem that bad a deal. Imagine the shirt sales and merchandising deals, the marketing opportunities, the media coverage......it would probably pay for itself purely in the off-field possibilities and put Arsenal right back on the footballing map. It might even get us back in the CL (unlikely but you never know)

Perhaps, but it could also be a complete circus. Do we need the drama, or should be building steadily?


Don't forget the Özil message. It'll be the wages that kill us.

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I think Top Gun is a Psychologist, and he is using this forum as part of his research. How else to get research material, than to keep baiting them :42laughter:


You’ve nailed it :12hello-bye: . I’m studying Anthropogeny


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...In fact if Shkodran was here today Id tell him what a cheap, lying, no-good, rotten, four-flushing, low-life, snake-licking, dirt-eating, inbred, overstuffed, ignorant, blood-sucking, dog-kissing, brainless, dickless, hopeless, heartless, fat-ass, bug-eyed, stiff-legged, spotty-lipped, worm-headed sack of monkey shite he is! Hallelujah!
But what about the downside?


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Exactly, there must be some negatives.


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Or Aouar?


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Maddison to Arsenal? Why Arteta's 'unprecedented' squad overhaul has stalled


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Arsenal can land £63m Manchester City ace if James Maddison transfer falls through

The Gunners could target the Portuguese playmaker if a move for Leicester City's James Maddison fails to materialise

https://www.football.london/arsenal-fc/ ... y-21248529

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Gotta know basketball to fully get the context but if you don't, so what. lol


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[Tweet] https://twitter.com/throwbackafc/status ... 46664?s=21[/Tweet]

We talk about having the likes of Henry and Vieira to be able to place them in this team but also Cazorla would just solve so many of our problems right now. Wonderful player


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Rich wrote:
Pep confirms Bernardo Silva wants to leave City. Would you take him?

Out of interest - if we ignore price tags and just focus on the player, who would you rather have if Arsenal could only sign one of Ødegaard, Aouar, Maddison, Silva?

Now if we bring in possible price tags of:
Ødegaard £35m
Aouar £20m
Maddison £60m
Silva £45m
Who would you have?

ps: the price tag for Silva is my stab in the dark, the others are what has been widely reported)

Would take Silva in a heartbeat. Excellent player who gets lost in the shuffle a bit at City, but could shine in a bigger role for us. Of the players listed above I'd take both him and Ødegaard ahead of Maddison, and possibly Aouar too considering the price tag.


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I am worried about that Brentford game.
Promoted team back in the big league for the first time in ages.
Decent playing football team.
Confident striker in Toney out to make a name for himself.
Full capacity partisan crowd.
Promoted team looking for a big scalp.
Not ideal game to start with with Chelsea and city to follow.
Dont even want to think about the possibility of having no points after 3 games.. .
We have to be on it from the first whistle.
I’d be starting with Lokonga and Xhaka in midfield.
I know the presence of Tierney makes the right back position look pale in comparison but I dont think it’s that urgent a position.
Got Cédric and Chambers who are good professionals.
I really wish Maitland Niles had knuckled down and really tried to make right back his own position. He would have been ideal.
We cannot afford to lose that Brentford game.
Whole country will we cheering Brentford on.

You can nab Onana , Bissouma and Aouor for a combined 60 to 65 million for the price you would spend on Madduson.
Value for money on those 3 , all quality players and all relatively young.
It’s a *%^@*** no brainer.!!
What’s wrong with us!!!


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Pep confirms Bernardo Silva wants to leave City. Would you take him?

Out of interest - if we ignore price tags and just focus on the player, who would you rather have if Arsenal could only sign one of Ødegaard, Aouar, Maddison, Silva?

Now if we bring in possible price tags of:
Ødegaard £35m
Aouar £20m
Maddison £60m
Silva £45m
Who would you have?

ps: the price tag for Silva is my stab in the dark, the others are what has been widely reported)

Would take Silva in a heartbeat. Excellent player who gets lost in the shuffle a bit at City, but could shine in a bigger role for us. Of the players listed above I'd take both him and Ødegaard ahead of Maddison, and possibly Aouar too considering the price tag.

Totally agree Haz.
Maddison would be bottom of the 4 for me.
Silva is a brilliant player.
We should be all over him.
So in order of preference
Silva
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Ødegaard
Maddison.
I think Silva is definitely gettable considering the history between him and Arteta at City.


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I am worried about that Brentford game.
Promoted team back in the big league for the first time in ages.
Decent playing football team.
Confident striker in Toney out to make a name for himself.
Full capacity partisan crowd.
Promoted team looking for a big scalp.
Not ideal game to start with with Chelsea and city to follow.
Dont even want to think about the possibility of having no points after 3 games.. .
We have to be on it from the first whistle.
I’d be starting with Lokonga and Xhaka in midfield.
I know the presence of Tierney makes the right back position look pale in comparison but I dont think it’s that urgent a position.
Got Cédric and Chambers who are good professionals.
I really wish Maitland Niles had knuckled down and really tried to make right back his own position. He would have been ideal.
We cannot afford to lose that Brentford game.
Whole country will we cheering Brentford on.

You can nab Onana , Bissouma and Aouor for a combined 60 to 65 million for the price you would spend on Madduson.
Value for money on those 3 , all quality players and all relatively young.
It’s a *%^@*** no brainer.!!
What’s wrong with us!!!

That would be three lots of wages though.

Actually the way that the transfer market is it seems difficult for any club to ‘nab’ a player.

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Partey confirmed out for 3 weeks
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Billy Connolly, Stewart Lee and Ricky Gervais say hello

It's akin to calling Cliff Richard Britain's greatest musical artist.

Nevertheless, I do think AG's apology is warranted. Poor old Benny would be turning in his grave, or at least his toes would be curling.

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I think Top Gun is a Psychologist, and he is using this forum as part of his research. How else to get research material, than to keep baiting them :42laughter:


You’ve nailed it :12hello-bye: . I’m studying Anthropogeny

So ... let's see
Hypothesis A
1) You're joking (having a laugh) or as Trump put it-- 'being sarcastic' ... anyone who doesn't see that is a humourless jerk ... you can say whatever you like about anything no matter how foul or hateful because of course you don't mean it ha ha ha
2) you're not joking, you are standing up for your position. Everyone who disagrees with you (especially Gaz) is stupid or willful pushing a false narrative to have a go at you ... Gaz only comes on here to have a go at Arsenal or have a go at you when you are having a go at Arsenal
3) you're not joking and don't really believe what you are arguing. You are a 'psychologist', trying to study our reactions, i.e. rather like one of those Trumpers who love it that their troll in chief 'riles up the libtards'.

Hypothesis B. You are just full of it? You say things without thinking them through and then defend you positions to the bitter end.

And I do reserve the right to come into arguments on the forum started by others. If you want to have a private argument with someone, pm them. If you want to express foul nonsense about one of our players or ex players, go an do it on Twitter or somewhere else. If you do it here, don't expect it to be consequence free.

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Chelsea not fully happy with £50m Werner after 1 season so go for £100m Lukaku.


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Post #351074  Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2021 8:23 pm 
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Reading a few things online about Inter Milan being on the brink of liquidation and therefore every player is effectively up for sale. There certainly wasn’t a huge fight to keep Hakimi (£60m) and now Lukaku (£100m). Perhaps we’re seeing an opportunity with Martinez


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Post #351075  Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2021 10:34 pm 
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Assuming White plays the friendly I will be interested in his performance. All the highlights appear to show his ability to push out and spray some really good passes. He does appear to go to ground a little too often IMO. But it is his abilities to marshall a defence, keep an eye on his man and deal with set pieces that are probably more important. It is a big job for a 23yo who has been purchased for a club record. I am just not sure the 50mil buys us 10-15 more points per season.

Defence is always about combinations and ability to read the game. The fact his other central partner is not available is a real disadvantage. The defence was in a mess against Chelsea so everything should be an improvement from here.

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Post #351076  Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2021 11:44 pm 
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Rich wrote:
Reading a few things online about Inter Milan being on the brink of liquidation and therefore every player is effectively up for sale. There certainly wasn’t a huge fight to keep Hakimi (£60m) and now Lukaku (£100m). Perhaps we’re seeing an opportunity with Martinez

Regardless of what players they sell, if that’s true I think it’s really sad. I hope they survive. Inter Milan are one of the great names in European football, not just Italian football.

I’ve never had any affinity with Inter myself, though I certainly find them less dislikable than Juventus, or further afield Barcelona.


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I didn’t watch the whole Leicester vs Manchester City game earlier but saw a decent part of it. I thought Maddison’s performance was thoroughly underwhelming. On the rare occasions he wasn’t achieving invisibility, he looked no more technically gifted than Ceballos and passes the ball forward less than Xhaka. If he wasn’t dramatically better in the bits of the match I didn’t see, should we sign him I hope he’ll be a lot better than he was today.


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I didn’t watch the whole Leicester vs Manchester City game earlier but saw a decent part of it. I thought Maddison’s performance was thoroughly underwhelming. On the rare occasions he wasn’t achieving invisibility, he looked no more technically gifted than Ceballos and passes the ball forward less than Xhaka. If he wasn’t dramatically better in the bits of the match I didn’t see, should we sign him I hope he’ll be a lot better than he was today.

On a number of different podcasts, most people appear to share your views.

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Bernard wrote:
I didn’t watch the whole Leicester vs Manchester City game earlier but saw a decent part of it. I thought Maddison’s performance was thoroughly underwhelming. On the rare occasions he wasn’t achieving invisibility, he looked no more technically gifted than Ceballos and passes the ball forward less than Xhaka. If he wasn’t dramatically better in the bits of the match I didn’t see, should we sign him I hope he’ll be a lot better than he was today.

On a number of different podcasts, most people appear to share your views.

Look, it’s fairly easy to find stuff about Maddison being grossly overrated as well as far more positive stuff (I’m sure it’s not only here you get exaggerations about players’ shortcomings and strengths). The most thoughtful analysis of Maddison I came across was the one in the link below. The overall judgment is that he’s good but not great.

It talks of his suitability for other teams, including Arsenal. The judgement is he wouldn’t provide what we need, even in terms of creativity. The idea of Arsenal spending £70m to get Maddison looks crazy, especially if suspicions he is close to (or at) his ceiling are right. That sort of money for someone good but not great, arguably without much potential for radical improvement (considering his age the ‘already at his ceiling’ possibility looks entirely feasible)? As the article appears to suggest, perhaps he’s already at the right club for him: Leicester?

Another point not really discussed in the article is Maddison’s work rate. In my view one of Arsenal’s problems is we can lack energy (a reason I don’t support getting rid of Guendouzi, as people here know). Watching yesterday’s game (or at least much of it), that is an issue I don’t see Maddison solving. Talk about static. I’ve seen more running from Alan Hudson when he played (not the hardest working Arsenal player I’ve ever seen). Maddison also doesn’t have anything like the skill or creativity that Hudson had.

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Willock to Newcastle is picking up pace. Reports are Newcastle have a limited budget (not surprising), if so then any loss we make on initial fee should go in to % sell on clauses. I read that Liverpool had a 20% sell on clause for Ings netting them another £6m. It’s not beyond the realms of possibility that Willock is sold on by Newcastle in 3-4 years time for £30-40m


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