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Post #457321  Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2021 12:27 pm 
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I've long heard many of the African players had fake birth certs. Not trying to stereotype, just what I've heard even from fans of their own players.


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Post #457322  Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2021 12:47 pm 
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I am certain the reasons socrates gave about Xhaka are correct regarding the struggling to sell part of the equation. But LTG, are we struggling to buy? Tavares came for around £8m, Lokongo arrived for about £10m, and now White is here, with reports saying £50m. £68m spent already, allegedly, with unless I’ve forgotten someone (entirely possible) nobody yet out the door on a permanent deal.

Some of us discussed Arsenal being one of the wealthiest clubs in football a few days ago. We also have one of the richest owners. So we should be able to compete with almost everybody, and outspend the huge majority. I’m not another Swiss Ramble (I only recall ever reading one of his reports) so don’t know the in and outs of where the £68m has come from. The club’s own resources or Kroenke’s?

Perhaps it is the club’s own money, or if it’s KSE’s perhaps it will have to be paid back in due course (maybe with interest). But with his obvious unpopularity and the support for Ek’s takeover bid, as well as wanting to get back into the Champions League, is it feasible Stan is finally putting some of his own money in? If so, does that make Arsenal the latest financially doped club?

I probably didn’t explain myself very well. What I meant was that when we try to sell then clubs ‘haven’t got enough money’ and the market is depressed but when we try to buy then the price goes up with little sign of a depressed market.



The actual truth is that covid May have affected things but the impact at the top of the market isn’t as bad and the reason we have issues are the players we are trying to sell have flattered to deceive a bit whilst on big money and the buyers know that and aren’t prepared to take the risk.

If you look Roma have signed 3 players now including the wolves keeper and are being linked with Telles the United defender. They obviously have money but aren’t prepared to spend much on Xhaka ? Why ? because if the fee is 20m plus a 3 year contract the total cost is a 40 million pound commitment for 3 years of Granit *%^@*** Xhaka. I can understand why we wouldn’t get a bite.

Obviously the market is depressed a bit but it can’t be the reason we are struggling to sell these players at all. Decent transfer fee + huge wages for a player who could be hit and miss ?

Kieran Trippier is on 80 grand a week apparently and Bellerin take a guess ? It’s 120k. I know who I’d rather have in our team and that highlights our problems


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If you look Roma have signed 3 players now including the wolves keeper and are being linked with Telles the United defender. They obviously have money but aren’t prepared to spend much on Xhaka ? Why ? because if the fee is 20m plus a 3 year contract the total cost is a 40 million pound commitment for 3 years of Granit *%^@*** Xhaka. I can understand why we wouldn’t get a bite.

From the reports I’ve seen, the three players Roma have bought are Rui Patricio, the Wolves keeper you mention, for £10.35m; Roger Ibanez from Atalanta for £8.10m; and Bryan Reynolds from Dallas for £6.08m. Together their transfer fees add up to £24.53m. In total just £4.53m more than what Arsenal wanted for Granit Xhaka.

You say Roma obviously have money, but how much money? The three players they’ve signed together cost less than half of what Arsenal have reportedly risked on Ben White, a central defender who arguably still has a lot to prove (or maybe unarguably).


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If you look Roma have signed 3 players now including the wolves keeper and are being linked with Telles the United defender. They obviously have money but aren’t prepared to spend much on Xhaka ? Why ? because if the fee is 20m plus a 3 year contract the total cost is a 40 million pound commitment for 3 years of Granit *%^@*** Xhaka. I can understand why we wouldn’t get a bite.

From the reports I’ve seen, the three players Roma have bought are Rui Patricio, the Wolves keeper you mention, for £10.35m; Roger Ibanez from Atalanta for £8.10m; and Bryan Reynolds from Dallas for £6.08m. Together their transfer fees add up to £24.53m. In total just £4.53m more than what Arsenal wanted for Granit Xhaka.

You say Roma obviously have money, but how much money? The three players they’ve signed together cost less than half of what Arsenal have reportedly risked on Ben White, a central defender who arguably still has a lot to prove (or maybe unarguably).


Fair enough but they are also supposed to be signing Telles who will cost another 18- 20 and are linked to Belotti! We only want 20, must be reason they aren’t biting.


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TOP GUN wrote:
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I probably didn’t explain myself very well. What I meant was that when we try to sell then clubs ‘haven’t got enough money’ and the market is depressed but when we try to buy then the price goes up with little sign of a depressed market.



The actual truth is that covid May have affected things but the impact at the top of the market isn’t as bad and the reason we have issues are the players we are trying to sell have flattered to deceive a bit whilst on big money and the buyers know that and aren’t prepared to take the risk.

If you look Roma have signed 3 players now including the wolves keeper and are being linked with Telles the United defender. They obviously have money but aren’t prepared to spend much on Xhaka ? Why ? because if the fee is 20m plus a 3 year contract the total cost is a 40 million pound commitment for 3 years of Granit *%^@*** Xhaka. I can understand why we wouldn’t get a bite.

Obviously the market is depressed a bit but it can’t be the reason we are struggling to sell these players at all. Decent transfer fee + huge wages for a player who could be hit and miss ?

Kieran Trippier is on 80 grand a week apparently and Bellerin take a guess ? It’s 120k. I know who I’d rather have in our team and that highlights our problems

Wouldn’t argue with any of that.

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Is the game today on tv anywhere?


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Is the game today on tv anywhere?

I understand Arsenal TV is covering it but I am unclear if you have to pay.

Will be interesting to see what system we play and who Arteta has in mind for his squad.

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This report suggests Viera at Palace is seeking a loan of Reiss Nelson. If the financial penalties weren't too severe for us I think it would be a good deal.
https://www.teamtalk.com/news/patrick-v ... elson-loan

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This report suggests Viera at Palace is seeking a loan of Reiss Nelson. If the financial penalties weren't too severe for us I think it would be a good deal.
https://www.teamtalk.com/news/patrick-v ... elson-loan

There were rumours Vieira had wanted Nketiah as well. I’d be happy to see them both (Nketiah and Nelson) go to Palace, although preferably via sales rather than loans.

That’s not me writing both off as useless. I just can’t see either getting much game time this season. So I think moves would be beneficial to them as well as Arsenal.


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Some poor challenges from Chelsea in the first half. Partey has gone off injured and now Tierney in some discomfort after a bad challenge from Zouma. Can someone tell Chelsea it's a friendly?


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Some poor challenges from Chelsea in the first half. Partey has gone off injured and now Tierney in some discomfort after a bad challenge from Zouma. Can someone tell Chelsea it's a friendly?

Can someone tell Arsenal that it’s a friendly. They want to charge £7.99 to watch it.

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long time gooner wrote:
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Some poor challenges from Chelsea in the first half. Partey has gone off injured and now Tierney in some discomfort after a bad challenge from Zouma. Can someone tell Chelsea it's a friendly?

Can someone tell Arsenal that it’s a friendly. They want to charge £7.99 to watch it.

There are a couple of links here:

https://reddt1.soccerstreams.net/event/ ... eam/667386

I'm watching the one called cappuccino, works fine.


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There's a big gaping hole in central defense since Mustafi left but Ben will at least try to fill it in part if he can't whole.


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Hazuki wrote:
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Can someone tell Arsenal that it’s a friendly. They want to charge £7.99 to watch it.

There are a couple of links here:

https://reddt1.soccerstreams.net/event/ ... eam/667386

I'm watching the one called cappuccino, works fine.

Thanks. Tried that. Just keeps opening loads of windows with adverts.

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Ha. Gotta laugh. Can only keep track via text updates. Our ‘just like a new signing’ has equalised.



Edit: Well that lead didn’t last long.

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Plumbing new levels of awfulness. Just seen the Bellerin ‘backpass’ which put us 1-2. Truly horrible.

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Plumbing new levels of awfulness. Just seen the Bellerin ‘backpass’ which put us 1-2. Truly horrible.

Leno has made two of those as well, nearly leading to goals.

On the bright side Willock equalized from a shot that hit the crossbar and went in. Sadly the linesman missed it and there's no VAR.


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Hazuki wrote:
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Plumbing new levels of awfulness. Just seen the Bellerin ‘backpass’ which put us 1-2. Truly horrible.

Leno has made two of those as well, nearly leading to goals.

On the bright side Willock equalized from a shot that hit the crossbar and went in. Sadly the linesman missed it and there's no VAR.

Hopefully it will all be better when we play them for real.

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Aubameyang still sounds to be in the same vein of form as last season.

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Individual mistakes will continue to happen by individuals who are not good enough. Individual mistakes were our absolute nemesis last season, gifting goals to teams who don’t have to work for them.

Oh and awful refs even in pre season!


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Individual mistakes will continue to happen by individuals who are not good enough. Individual mistakes were our absolute nemesis last season, gifting goals to teams who don’t have to work for them.

Oh and awful refs even in pre season!

Yeah, our high defensive line caused us some trouble in the first half, but that's something we can work on as a team. But in the second half, almost all of Chelsea's chances were the result of individual mistakes, which is something we just need to cut out of our game. Better concentration and decision making needed there.

Some positives too, thought we looked bright going forward at times. Smith-Rowe and Pépé look really lively, Partey bossed the midfield before going off. Tavares and Lokonga looked good after coming on. Should've scored a few more, the chances were there.

Overall some of the flaws from last season were still there, but some encouraging signs with our attacking play. Still just pre-season of course.


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Good game for the neutral but boy our defending is hopeless. Chelsea must have been through on goal 6 or 7 times, mainly due to our poor positional play or individual errors.

Bright spots were Nketiah and Willock when they came on. Tavares and Lokonga looked decent.

Leno is a great shotstopper and brilliant 1v1 but his decisionmaking with the ball at his feet is terrible.


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socrates wrote:
Good game for the neutral but boy our defending is hopeless. Chelsea must have been through on goal 6 or 7 times, mainly due to our poor positional play or individual errors.

Bright spots were Nketiah and Willock when they came on. Tavares and Lokonga looked decent.

Leno is a great shotstopper and brilliant 1v1 but his decisionmaking with the ball at his feet is terrible.


Afternoon Soc,

Really nice seeing seeing Lokonga get on the ball in midfield. Little glimpse of what he could become, he often managed to find the forward pass when it looked like it had been cut off. He carried the ball forward to break the lines when it was and appeared a few times to intercept the ball in front of our defence.

I didn’t see Partey get injured, did it look bad?? :20hospitals:


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Bright spots were Nketiah and Willock when they came on. Tavares and Lokonga looked decent.

Yes, Nketiah and Willock looked bright. Willock is probably our sellable player with the highest value, but if we're not going to bring in another central midfielder I would prefer him to stay and play ahead of Elneny. As criticised as Xhaka has been, a much bigger problem with our midfield last season was Elneny starting 17 league games. He's just a complete non-factor out there, spends all game chasing shadows basically.


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I didn’t see Partey get injured, did it look bad?? :20hospitals:

Hard to say, he tried playing for a few minutes after the knock but was eventually taken off. Could've just been a precaution, but there were a number of unnecessarily bad challenges from Chelsea.


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Hazuki wrote:
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I didn’t see Partey get injured, did it look bad?? :20hospitals:

Hard to say, he tried playing for a few minutes after the knock but was eventually taken off. Could've just been a precaution, but there were a number of unnecessarily bad challenges from Chelsea.

There was a physio Twitter handle that said what it looked like and reckoned 4-6 weeks.


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Ash wrote:
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Good game for the neutral but boy our defending is hopeless. Chelsea must have been through on goal 6 or 7 times, mainly due to our poor positional play or individual errors.

Bright spots were Nketiah and Willock when they came on. Tavares and Lokonga looked decent.

Leno is a great shotstopper and brilliant 1v1 but his decisionmaking with the ball at his feet is terrible.


Afternoon Soc,

Really nice seeing seeing Lokonga get on the ball in midfield. Little glimpse of what he could become, he often managed to find the forward pass when it looked like it had been cut off. He carried the ball forward to break the lines when it was and appeared a few times to intercept the ball in front of our defence.

I didn’t see Partey get injured, did it look bad?? :20hospitals:


Hi Ash,

Yes, Lokonga's got that nice way of moving with the ball through the midfield and spraying passes. Early days but the signs are promising.

Hard to tell with the Partey injury, he played on for a while but then had to be subsituted. A shame because he was excellent in possession.

I thought we saw both sides of Xhaka, a couple of wonderful passes but caught in possession a couple of times too. He is much better suited to Spain or Italy.


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Totally agree on Elneny needing to be as far away from the team as possible now. Lokonga must be ahead of him and I think Azeez should be as well.

Holding struggles with a high line and i don’t think he’s good enough to start for a team with top 4 ambitions

Also we’ve still got an absolutely massive squad that still needs quality additions and lots of players to leave. Currently I think we’re battling spurs for 6th


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Rich wrote:
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Hard to say, he tried playing for a few minutes after the knock but was eventually taken off. Could've just been a precaution, but there were a number of unnecessarily bad challenges from Chelsea.

There was a physio Twitter handle that said what it looked like and reckoned 4-6 weeks.


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Oh bloody ‘ell. *%^@*** Chelsea. Tuchel jumped up with about 10 to go to do some pointing, then gave Danny Drinkwater some abuse for losing the ball then went and sat down again. :laughing7: seems suuuper intense.


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There was a physio Twitter handle that said what it looked like and reckoned 4-6 weeks.

If that's true central midfield becomes an even bigger priority. Think Lokonga needs to be eased in a bit, and we just can't go into the season with Elneny starting.


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Rich wrote:
Totally agree on Elneny needing to be as far away from the team as possible now. Lokonga must be ahead of him and I think Azeez should be as well.

Holding struggles with a high line and i don’t think he’s good enough to start for a team with top 4 ambitions

Also we’ve still got an absolutely massive squad that still needs quality additions and lots of players to leave. Currently I think we’re battling spurs for 6th


Hi Rich,

I think getting rid of surplus players is the big issue. They are frankly earning more money than they are worth and teams don't want to have to pay a fee and take on board their large salaries. The trouble is we can't just give them away any more than we can magic up interest in them at the fees we are asking.


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Rich wrote:
Totally agree on Elneny needing to be as far away from the team as possible now. Lokonga must be ahead of him and I think Azeez should be as well.

Holding struggles with a high line and i don’t think he’s good enough to start for a team with top 4 ambitions

Also we’ve still got an absolutely massive squad that still needs quality additions and lots of players to leave. Currently I think we’re battling spurs for 6th


Hi Rich,

I think getting rid of surplus players is the big issue. They are frankly earning more money than they are worth and teams don't want to have to pay a fee and take on board their large salaries. The trouble is we can't just give them away any more than we can magic up interest in them at the fees we are asking.

Problem is that except for Xhaka these players are doing zero to persuade any other club to buy them.

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Hi Rich,

I think getting rid of surplus players is the big issue. They are frankly earning more money than they are worth and teams don't want to have to pay a fee and take on board their large salaries. The trouble is we can't just give them away any more than we can magic up interest in them at the fees we are asking.

Problem is that except for Xhaka these players are doing zero to persuade any other club to buy them.


Yep, we've been saying we need a massive clear-out for weeks but barely any movement so far because nobody wants to pay big fees for average players on inflated salaries.

If we are relying on sales to fund purchases from now until the end of the window then we might be in for a huge disappointment.

Xhaka was one of the stars of the euros (surprisingly) but the best offer we got was £12m + £3m add-ons.


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Hey Hodd,

What do you know about this 18 year old kid Mika we've signed for Fulham. Potential wonderkid or just a hopeful gamble?


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So....not looking good according to Arteta.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/metro.co.u ... 21777/amp/

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Missed the game but saw some of the mistakes on the internet including Bellerins.

These guys really aren’t helping themselves are they ?

Think you might see us accepting some of the unsatisfactory offers we’ve been getting for our players (apart from Xhaka) and an acceleration of activity.

If the club don’t make further changes you have another mid table finish occurring trust me. Too many average players still involved.


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Partey possibly injured, Gabriel nursing an injury from the Olympics and Saka needing a decent rest from the Euros is not the best way for us to start the season.


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It’s going to be very frustrating when Elneny starts the first few games of the season with Lokonga sat on the bench.

Playing a high line with chambers, holding and Mari who don’t have any pace between them seems a bit silly.


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Rich wrote:
It’s going to be very frustrating when Elneny starts the first few games of the season with Lokonga sat on the bench.

Playing a high line with chambers, holding and Mari who don’t have any pace between them seems a bit silly.


Can’t believe we will be starting the season with Elneny and Xhaka starting again. Feels like we are stuck in a purgatory that never ends with mediocre players we are unable to move on. We just don’t have the resources to fix the many things that are broken.


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