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Post #489521  Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2021 2:57 am 
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I'll be sad to see Willock move on. But don't think he wants to stay on as a squad player. Plus, Arteta clearly does not rate him as highly as Bruce. Sell him to Newcastle, but at a very good price.

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RE: the links to Tammy Abraham. It is an interesting one because currently our two main strikers, Lacazette and Aubameyang are probably our two highest profile and highest earning players - but in my opinion neither are actually suited to the way I think Arteta wants to play or suited to the idea of the 'modern forward'. Of course both Lacazette and Aubameyang have good qualities but I could easily see a situation whereby the Arsenal hierarchy are actively looking at a way of moving both on sooner rather than later.
We have Nketiah who's time at Arsenal is surely up, and for my money he also doesn't fit in to Arteta's style or fit the 'modern forward' typology.

Then we have Balogun and Martinelli, both fit that 'modern forward' - quick, high work rate, flexible and mobile strikers - its yet to be seen how much Arteta likes them. Abraham would represent a very different type of striker to the two of them. If you move Nketiah and Lacazette on for £15m each and pay an extra £5-10m for Abraham it could be seen as good long term planning. Abraham in 4 years is probably still likely to command a similar fee he's being priced at now as long as he has at least 2 years left on a contract and no major injuries that slow him down.

My reservation is would we be buying a striker who is just that level below elite and who's ceiling is never going to get him to that elite status.


Unless the person is the next Messi, I am against buying for positions we are sorted in, in comparison to other positions. At the end of the season we had a big need for a central defender and playmaking center mid. Until that's sorted, we shouldn't be looking at spending big on other positions. What's big? Any amount that will reduce the amount needed to buy a quality CB and CM.

I'd get a winger before we got a center forward.

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Willian.....still no takers


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I'm seeing a very few faces coming in, and I like the ones so far. I don't think we'll be able to shed the extra fat much. I hope so, but we will likely end up paying their wages for the benefit of another club...as usual. I'd have thought Xhaka would be gone by now, he's still on the books, among others: Kols, Elneny, Torreira, Willian, do we want Soares? Mari? (who I like actually). AMN, Willock, Bellerin, Chambers, are they in Arteta's plans?

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Kane to City for £160m? City are bonkers if they’re paying that. Kane will be 28 next week and has a more regular history of injuries and a habit of taking some time to get back up to match fitness after. You could get Haaland or probably Mbappe for a similar price.

From Spurs side £160m would be huge and could easily facilitate a rebuild in a number of positions. I’m still amazed no big club comes in seriously for Son. He would improve most teams.


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Kane to City for £160m? City are bonkers if they’re paying that. Kane will be 28 next week and has a more regular history of injuries and a habit of taking some time to get back up to match fitness after. You could get Haaland or probably Mbappe for a similar price.

From Spurs side £160m would be huge and could easily facilitate a rebuild in a number of positions. I’m still amazed no big club comes in seriously for Son. He would improve most teams.


Hi Rich,

Great to see FFP working its magic.

A double whammy for us in that it strengthens an already brilliant team and, as you say, gives one of our rivals the money to finance a big rebuild (assuming the money is not used to pay off stadium debts).

One thing about Daniel Levy is that he gets top dollar for his best players when they leave.


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160 million pounds or 160 thousand pounds, does it really matter? FFP obviously doesn't work. Okay, the Sheikh doesn't buy himself a couple yachts this year, how does it impact him?

It's bonkers to the rest of us, but not them. A coworker and I got dropped off at the wrong terminal once,and paid the equivalent of about 10 pounds for a taxi to run us to the next terminal, a 1-2 minute drive at best. It
was close enough to leg it over there perhaps, but we'd have been a bit sweaty but didn't want to take the chance even though we had an hour to get there. The airport bus came periodically. Bonkers to pay that? Yeah. But in the bigger scope of things, we didn't miss that money.

City are operating in the Bezos of football world. Money isn't an issue. It should be, but sadly it isn't.

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Kane to City for £160m? City are bonkers if they’re paying that. Kane will be 28 next week and has a more regular history of injuries and a habit of taking some time to get back up to match fitness after. You could get Haaland or probably Mbappe for a similar price.

From Spurs side £160m would be huge and could easily facilitate a rebuild in a number of positions. I’m still amazed no big club comes in seriously for Son. He would improve most teams.

Hi Rich,

Great to see FFP working its magic.

A double whammy for us in that it strengthens an already brilliant team and, as you say, gives one of our rivals the money to finance a big rebuild (assuming the money is not used to pay off stadium debts).

One thing about Daniel Levy is that he gets top dollar for his best players when they leave.

Morning socrates. Surely a question has to be asked how reliable these transfer fees in the media are? I suppose Daniel Levy, if he’s going to sell Kane, will want the Tottenham fan base to be as comfortable with the sale as possible. That’ll hopefully (from Levy’s standpoint) make the supporters at least understand selling their best player and captain. That makes it feasible he would ask someone trustworthy (who won’t reveal what he or she later did) to release an inflated figure to a contract from the media.

But for reasons Rich mentions (probably being able to get the younger Haaland or Mbappe for similar, or even less), would City really pay £160m for Kane? Myself, I remain to be convinced.

Similarly, I still have doubts that if White does end up joining Arsenal, that Brighton will get £50m for a central defender who is allegedly not anything special in the air and wasn’t considered the standard required for England’s final Euro squad. However good at passing and dribbling he is.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, my advice is not to trust transfer gossip either in terms of what players are rumoured to be moving clubs, and the transfer fees being suggested. My own policy is to wait until a transfer is confirmed on Arsenal.com before knowing we’ve gained or lost a player, and even then it’ll be for an undisclosed fee.


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Rich wrote:
Kane to City for £160m? City are bonkers if they’re paying that. Kane will be 28 next week and has a more regular history of injuries and a habit of taking some time to get back up to match fitness after. You could get Haaland or probably Mbappe for a similar price.

From Spurs side £160m would be huge and could easily facilitate a rebuild in a number of positions. I’m still amazed no big club comes in seriously for Son. He would improve most teams.

News this morning saying Son has signed a new contract.


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Kane to City for £160m? City are bonkers if they’re paying that. Kane will be 28 next week and has a more regular history of injuries and a habit of taking some time to get back up to match fitness after. You could get Haaland or probably Mbappe for a similar price.

From Spurs side £160m would be huge and could easily facilitate a rebuild in a number of positions. I’m still amazed no big club comes in seriously for Son. He would improve most teams.

News this morning saying Son has signed a new contract.

Yep - 4 more years. He's 29, never won a thing but could walk in to more successful sides. As surprised as I am that no one seems to have seriously bid for him I'm equally surprised that he hasn't had enough and wants a new challenge and trophies like Kane has seemingly done


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I learned a few new thinigs about Le Tiss. Didn't know he was a childhood fan of Spurs. Some of these clips were Bergkamp-esque. And had he took the sperz offer, their front line would have been unstoppable.

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News this morning saying Son has signed a new contract.

Yep - 4 more years. He's 29, never won a thing but could walk in to more successful sides. As surprised as I am that no one seems to have seriously bid for him I'm equally surprised that he hasn't had enough and wants a new challenge and trophies like Kane has seemingly done

With Kane leaving, I'd say they have offered him a big contract. A bit like our situation with Alexis and Özil, they couldn't afford to lose the two of them and for it to happen in the same window would be a huge hit.

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Kane to City for £160m? City are bonkers if they’re paying that. Kane will be 28 next week and has a more regular history of injuries and a habit of taking some time to get back up to match fitness after. You could get Haaland or probably Mbappe for a similar price.

From Spurs side £160m would be huge and could easily facilitate a rebuild in a number of positions. I’m still amazed no big club comes in seriously for Son. He would improve most teams.

I may be wearing "rose-tinted specs" on this but every article I've read on this says £160m DEAL
In my parallel world that means that the total deal - transfer and contract - is worth £160m
With weekly wages of £400k, the contract takes up £83.2m, which would leave c£80m for the transfer - more reflective of the current market.

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Kane to City for £160m? City are bonkers if they’re paying that. Kane will be 28 next week and has a more regular history of injuries and a habit of taking some time to get back up to match fitness after. You could get Haaland or probably Mbappe for a similar price.

From Spurs side £160m would be huge and could easily facilitate a rebuild in a number of positions. I’m still amazed no big club comes in seriously for Son. He would improve most teams.

I may be wearing "rose-tinted specs" on this but every article I've read on this says £160m DEAL
In my parallel world that means that the total deal - transfer and contract - is worth £160m
With weekly wages of £400k, the contract takes up £83.2m, which would leave c£80m for the transfer - more reflective of the current market.

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Kane to City for £160m? City are bonkers if they’re paying that. Kane will be 28 next week and has a more regular history of injuries and a habit of taking some time to get back up to match fitness after. You could get Haaland or probably Mbappe for a similar price.

From Spurs side £160m would be huge and could easily facilitate a rebuild in a number of positions. I’m still amazed no big club comes in seriously for Son. He would improve most teams.

I may be wearing "rose-tinted specs" on this but every article I've read on this says £160m DEAL
In my parallel world that means that the total deal - transfer and contract - is worth £160m
With weekly wages of £400k, the contract takes up £83.2m, which would leave c£80m for the transfer - more reflective of the current market.

Actually, that makes a lot more sense. A £160m fee for Kane is daft.

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In my parallel world that means that the total deal - transfer and contract - is worth £160m
With weekly wages of £400k, the contract takes up £83.2m, which would leave c£80m for the transfer - more reflective of the current market.


Ah, that makes more sense and makes me feel a bit better.


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Guys, no way will Daniel Levy sell Harry Kane for just an 80 million fee. If he’s sold expect a 100+ Transfer fee easily not total deal. They are probably quoting city 160 as a meet in the middle for a transfer eventually getting done around 120 mark.

Griezmann was sold for 120, 145 for mbappe. Kane falls into this category.

Honestly if he’s sold for 80 I think we should give Ben white a miss, get a refund on lokonga and try and get him ourselves !


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Griezmann was sold for 120, 145 for mbappe. Kane falls into this category.

But weren’t they sold pre-depression of the transfer market?


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Griezmann was sold for 120, 145 for mbappe. Kane falls into this category.

But weren’t they sold pre-depression of the transfer market?

I doubt very much if that even comes into it with a transfer of this type especially when the likely buyers are sheiks and oligarchs.

If Ben white is going for 50 don’t expect Kane to go for 80. He’s under contract till 2024. If it happens it Will be another silly transfer fee unfortunately

I have a feeling he will end up staying at spurs as they won’t be able to get the figures to work. Similar with ourselves and Maddison


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I may be wearing "rose-tinted specs" on this but every article I've read on this says £160m DEAL
In my parallel world that means that the total deal - transfer and contract - is worth £160m
With weekly wages of £400k, the contract takes up £83.2m, which would leave c£80m for the transfer - more reflective of the current market.

Actually, that makes a lot more sense. A £160m fee for Kane is daft.

£80m would daft too.
But the football transfer market is daft.

I suspect this is one of those where there is a huge gap between the maximum amount the buyer is willing to pay (City rolling in it) and the minimum the seller is willing to take (Spurs probably feel Kane is approaching his sell-by date).

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But weren’t they sold pre-depression of the transfer market?

I doubt very much if that even comes into it with a transfer of this type especially when the likely buyers are sheiks and oligarchs.

If Ben white is going for 50 don’t expect Kane to go for 80. He’s under contract till 2024. If it happens it Will be another silly transfer fee unfortunately

I have a feeling he will end up staying at spurs as they won’t be able to get the figures to work. Similar with ourselves and Maddison

I suspect that Kane will go because City want him, Spurs are desperate to cash in and, perhaps most importantly, Kane wants to get away from that hole, and who can blame him?

Still struggle to wrap my head around the Ben White price. I hope he is that good!

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I doubt very much if that even comes into it with a transfer of this type especially when the likely buyers are sheiks and oligarchs.

If Ben white is going for 50 don’t expect Kane to go for 80. He’s under contract till 2024. If it happens it Will be another silly transfer fee unfortunately

I have a feeling he will end up staying at spurs as they won’t be able to get the figures to work. Similar with ourselves and Maddison

I suspect that Kane will go because City want him, Spurs are desperate to cash in and, perhaps most importantly, Kane wants to get away from that hole, and who can blame him?

Still struggle to wrap my head around the Ben White price. I hope he is that good!


Unfortunately the best young English players cost an absolute fortune and I think whilst the prices are crazy there’s an element that you need ignore it and crack on anyway.

For example People are moaning about the price quoted for Aaron Ramsdale at 32 million being ridiculous however look at it from Sheffield Uniteds point of view. They only signed him for 18.5 last August and he was their player of the season. Why should they let him go for a small mark up.


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Griezmann was sold for 120, 145 for mbappe. Kane falls into this category.

But weren’t they sold pre-depression of the transfer market?

I would say both were quite different scenarios. Griezmann was Barcelona being desperate for big name signings post Neymar. They spent over £100m on Coutinho also...madness.

Mbappe is a huge talent. Potential to be one of the greats of the game. He was already one of the best players in the world when he was 19 years old.

I am surprised City aren't going for Haaland instead of Kane.

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Arsenal not willing to extend Lacazette's deal, want to invite offers in the region of £15m and find someone to take on his big salary.

If we can't sell Lacazette you have 2 options, new contract or keep him 1 more year and lose him for free
A new 3 year deal for Lacazette at £200k per week would cost us £31m and we have a player for 3 more year who is probably on the decline.
Losing him for free next year means we lose any potential fee (£15m)

I lament us losing players for free but in Lacazette's case it would be preferential to lose him for free than to give him a new deal in my view


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Yep - 4 more years. He's 29, never won a thing but could walk in to more successful sides. As surprised as I am that no one seems to have seriously bid for him I'm equally surprised that he hasn't had enough and wants a new challenge and trophies like Kane has seemingly done

With Kane leaving, I'd say they have offered him a big contract. A bit like our situation with Alexis and Özil, they couldn't afford to lose the two of them and for it to happen in the same window would be a huge hit.

That makes sense, but doesn't explain why no other clubs have come in for him, particularly Premier League clubs - as a left winger in a front 3 he'd improve Chelsea, City and Man U for me


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I can't help but thinking that we need to cash in on Willock and AMN this summer. Both may never be as highly valued as they currently are and both are attracting attention from a number of premier league clubs. It all adds up to being able to get a really top price for both of them. We really should be getting £50m minimum for the two combined.

Selling players abroad seems to be having to accept low values or loan with option/obligation to buy clauses. None of which help right now. I think we have a likely £5m from Mavropanos and £12m from Guendouzi coming in next year. That offsets Lokonga's fee and is the way we need to look at transfers.

Nketiah and Nelson could fetch £25m for the pair, the contribution from both last year was very little, and virtually zero post Xmas so in squad terms we simply don't need them and won't miss them. Aouar is meant to be available for £25m.

I know it is overly simplistic to see things this way, but if there are Prem clubs after our players we need to really consider every offer with a stance towards selling - it does seem the only way to make decent money on a player in this window.


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According to my local paper moving from Brighton to Arsenal is a sideways step. My, how we have fallen. :14laughter:


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With Kane leaving, I'd say they have offered him a big contract. A bit like our situation with Alexis and Özil, they couldn't afford to lose the two of them and for it to happen in the same window would be a huge hit.

That makes sense, but doesn't explain why no other clubs have come in for him, particularly Premier League clubs - as a left winger in a front 3 he'd improve Chelsea, City and Man U for me

He is 29. Man U are signing Sancho and have Rashford. City have Sterling, Foden and Torres. Chelsea are a bit different but you would think they will spend big on a striker in the next 12 months. His time to move was two years ago.

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I can't help but thinking that we need to cash in on Willock and AMN this summer. Both may never be as highly valued as they currently are and both are attracting attention from a number of premier league clubs. It all adds up to being able to get a really top price for both of them. We really should be getting £50m minimum for the two combined.

Selling players abroad seems to be having to accept low values or loan with option/obligation to buy clauses. None of which help right now. I think we have a likely £5m from Mavropanos and £12m from Guendouzi coming in next year. That offsets Lokonga's fee and is the way we need to look at transfers.

Nketiah and Nelson could fetch £25m for the pair, the contribution from both last year was very little, and virtually zero post Xmas so in squad terms we simply don't need them and won't miss them. Aouar is meant to be available for £25m.

I know it is overly simplistic to see things this way, but if there are Prem clubs after our players we need to really consider every offer with a stance towards selling - it does seem the only way to make decent money on a player in this window.


I think in Willock there is a quality player waiting to be released. Would rather he stayed.

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For the life of me I can never understand why people put together these "Welcome To Arsenal" clips until a player has actually signed for us.

Reminds me when in 2008, Chelsea inadvertently put Robinho shirts for sale on the Chelsea online store, before the deal was completed for his move from Real Madrid.

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Unfortunate for both parties, especially Arsenal. He still gets a fat wage every week, and now he has a stomach to match.

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Kane to City for £160m? City are bonkers if they’re paying that. Kane will be 28 next week and has a more regular history of injuries and a habit of taking some time to get back up to match fitness after. You could get Haaland or probably Mbappe for a similar price.

From Spurs side £160m would be huge and could easily facilitate a rebuild in a number of positions. I’m still amazed no big club comes in seriously for Son. He would improve most teams.


I would take Son in a heartbeat.

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Arsenal not willing to extend Lacazette's deal, want to invite offers in the region of £15m and find someone to take on his big salary.

If we can't sell Lacazette you have 2 options, new contract or keep him 1 more year and lose him for free
A new 3 year deal for Lacazette at £200k per week would cost us £31m and we have a player for 3 more year who is probably on the decline.
Losing him for free next year means we lose any potential fee (£15m)

I lament us losing players for free but in Lacazette's case it would be preferential to lose him for free than to give him a new deal in my view


C'mon Rich, we've already seen this movie before. We won't be able to sell him and we won't extend. He'll spend the season not trying to get hurt for his next club and leave on a free.

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...and I'm going to sound defeatist and negative but we won't sell Willock for what we want, nor AMN and we'll end up getting much less than we wanted if we get anything.

I wish the same people making transfer deals for Arsenal were on the other side of the negotiating table when I am in contract discussions.

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With Kane leaving, I'd say they have offered him a big contract. A bit like our situation with Alexis and Özil, they couldn't afford to lose the two of them and for it to happen in the same window would be a huge hit.

That makes sense, but doesn't explain why no other clubs have come in for him, particularly Premier League clubs - as a left winger in a front 3 he'd improve Chelsea, City and Man U for me


Anyone who pays mega bucks for Kane has to be crazy. He will become an Özil type Albatross for the club. One injury, one setback and his form will drop like a brick ala Aubameyang who needs to move on.


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Post #489556  Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2021 7:29 am 
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Arsenal not willing to extend Lacazette's deal, want to invite offers in the region of £15m and find someone to take on his big salary.

If we can't sell Lacazette you have 2 options, new contract or keep him 1 more year and lose him for free
A new 3 year deal for Lacazette at £200k per week would cost us £31m and we have a player for 3 more year who is probably on the decline.
Losing him for free next year means we lose any potential fee (£15m)

I lament us losing players for free but in Lacazette's case it would be preferential to lose him for free than to give him a new deal in my view


C'mon Rich, we've already seen this movie before. We won't be able to sell him and we won't extend. He'll spend the season not trying to get hurt for his next club and leave on a free.


Yes I think your probably going to be right on this. Who is going to offer him 182k a week elsewhere plus pay a fee for a 2 or 3 year contract at 30 years old.

This is the thing, the wages for these players long eclipsed the talent. I wouldn’t be againest offering him an extension and maybe the club did but they go into it knowing his agent is going to ask for the same or greater salary for a player who blows hot and cold a bit. It’s a discussion that won’t go amicably before you even sit down.

Like you said I’d expect him to stay for another year before leaving on a free


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Post #489557  Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2021 7:58 am 
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That makes sense, but doesn't explain why no other clubs have come in for him, particularly Premier League clubs - as a left winger in a front 3 he'd improve Chelsea, City and Man U for me


Anyone who pays mega bucks for Kane has to be crazy. He will become an Özil type Albatross for the club. One injury, one setback and his form will drop like a brick ala Aubameyang who needs to move on.

From Spurs perspective, yes. That's why I think Spurs will pretty well take what City offers. They don't want to be relying on Kane to drag them into the top 6 every year.

I do fear it will be quite a lot, unfortunately. Its not just silly money. City can make much better use of him. They can manage his game time and more than make do when he is not available. They want to win the CL, and Kane is exactly what the need for that.

The comparison with Aubameyang is questionable. Kane is 28, and has an excellent chance of actually winning stuff at City, so is rather unlikely to treat it as a retirement berth. Giroud certainly didn't treat his move to Chelsea as such. And we still need to see whether Aubameyang is past it. Last season was a weird one all round.

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Post #489558  Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2021 8:04 am 
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AmericanGooner wrote:
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Arsenal not willing to extend Lacazette's deal, want to invite offers in the region of £15m and find someone to take on his big salary.

If we can't sell Lacazette you have 2 options, new contract or keep him 1 more year and lose him for free
A new 3 year deal for Lacazette at £200k per week would cost us £31m and we have a player for 3 more year who is probably on the decline.
Losing him for free next year means we lose any potential fee (£15m)

I lament us losing players for free but in Lacazette's case it would be preferential to lose him for free than to give him a new deal in my view


C'mon Rich, we've already seen this movie before. We won't be able to sell him and we won't extend. He'll spend the season not trying to get hurt for his next club and leave on a free.

I think that Lacazette deserves a bit more respect than that. Generally when we have needed him, he has stepped up well. He also showed his leadership last season.

I agree that he is probably not worth that much money and it would be decent business to sell him, but to somehow turn that into an assault on his character, is pretty poor in my opinion.

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Post #489559  Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2021 9:03 am 
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If city are going to unload 120 to 150 million on spurs for Kane I really hope it’s towards the end of the window rather than sooner as they could go into over drive and gazump us for any remaining targets.

The suggestion in the press is that city are prepared to offer them 120 and no more so if it’s done at that price thats a healthy budget to sign 2 or 3 really quality players.


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This would have made a decent documentary. One of the good things about not being English (and there are too many to name. :42laughter: ) and not growing up a football fan is there are tons and tons of football stories, current and historical as well as cultural things I've just skimmed in totality.

Derby historically and currently are an interesting club. PS: You guys are pronouncing the name incorrectly, 'er' sound, not 'ar'...may wanna work on that. :1laughter:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQbNBbnsta0&t=1452s

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