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dec · **#441681**

socrates wrote:

dec wrote:

Those stats don't show that White is appreciably better than our centre backs. He played some games at right back so the "attacking" stats should be better. Also, I don't agree with Rich's point about needing a new central defender to improve our attacking. That could be said for fullbacks but building attacks through the middle of the pitch rests with midfielders. And as for dribbling out of defence....no thanks.

If we were paying £30m for White, that would be fine. £50m is way over the top. We are talking about a player who has played a single season of top flight football and one in which nobody was really talking about him until he got called up to England's large pre-Euros squad. That fee will also put a lot of pressure on him to deliver.

Our midfield is our biggest area of weakness by a long way and that is where the investment should be going. Maybe, I am jumping the gun and we will spend £60m or £70m on a midfielder. I won't hold my breath on that one.

Hi Dec,

I am actually looking forward to seeing him play. I have seen some of his highlight reels and the thing that stands out is his composure and ability on the ball. He’s also quick and athletic which are big assets. He can play RB and DM as well.

I think we have overpaid but clearly we see something really special in him to have payed that much.

Can’t wait to see if it’s justified. I’ve said before, if he matures into a worldclass cb and stays with us for 10 years it’s money well spent.

Hi Soc,

It is quite a leap from one season in the PL with Brignton to world class centre back who stays with us for a decade.

The way I see it, we already have 5 centre backs but a big weakness in midfield and here we are spending huge money on another centre back. That's over £100m on centre backs in two seasons. I just think that the money would be better spent elsewhere, especially as we are spending well over the odds here.

Hazuki · **#441682**

dec wrote:

The way I see it, we already have 5 centre backs but a big weakness in midfield and here we are spending huge money on another centre back. That's over £100m on centre backs in two seasons. I just think that the money would be better spent elsewhere, especially as we are spending well over the odds here.

The question is how many of our current centre backs have the quality to be a starter for a team that's aiming for Europe? I would say only Gabriel has shown that type of talent, and even he didn't really do it consistently last season. We need to improve our starting eleven in several positions, and centre back is one of them.

A lot of signs point to us going out to spend on a midfielder if Xhaka leaves, so I have no problem going big for White if he's identified as someone who can help take our defense up a level.

AmericanGooner · **#441683**

Time will tell if White's fee is too much. Again, Ferdinand, eventually justified his then astronomical fee. I would suggest that the success they got with van Dijk playing no small part was worth 75 million to Liverpool. Paying Sol 100k a week, astronomical at that time, basically paying him over time for the fee a club would have to pay, was well worth it.

Less I remind everyone we paid 36 million for....cough....Mustafi. :8surprise:

14 mil more shouldn't be too much for someone tested in the league.

gooner7 · **#441684**

It is wonderful we are getting the transfers in :58big-emoticons:

Looking forward to the new season :emoticon_mClapp:

AmericanGooner · **#441685**

I have to assume Henry had some part in our signing of Lokonga. Players talk and they ask each other or former players their opinion. I recall Gallas saying that Vieira (I think) saying that if he comes to Arsenal, he'll laugh at something every day in training.

socrates · **#441686**

dec wrote:

socrates wrote:

Hi Dec,

I am actually looking forward to seeing him play. I have seen some of his highlight reels and the thing that stands out is his composure and ability on the ball. He’s also quick and athletic which are big assets. He can play RB and DM as well.

I think we have overpaid but clearly we see something really special in him to have payed that much.

Can’t wait to see if it’s justified. I’ve said before, if he matures into a worldclass cb and stays with us for 10 years it’s money well spent.

Hi Soc,

It is quite a leap from one season in the PL with Brignton to world class centre back who stays with us for a decade.

The way I see it, we already have 5 centre backs but a big weakness in midfield and here we are spending huge money on another centre back. That's over £100m on centre backs in two seasons. I just think that the money would be better spent elsewhere, especially as we are spending well over the odds here.

You're right, it's a massive leap Dec, and I am fearful that we could have got this one badly wrong but I still can't help but be excited that we are willing to spend that kind of dosh on a relative rookie, though. There has to be something special that makes us think he's worth that kind of outlay......doesn't there?

mcquilkie · **#441687**

TOP GUN wrote:

Guendouzi and Cebackpass

'Cebackpass'. Hilarious!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NEWA32jqk0

Rich · **#441688**

The links with Ramsdale who Sheff Utd want £40m for but a deal could probably be struck for £25m appear so incredibly strange when there is Sam Johnstone who is available for £10m (as he only has 1 year left on his deal). Both fulfil the home grown status and many would think Johnstone is the better GK. Johnstone is however 5 years older than Ramsdale but when you're buying a No.2 GK does it matter enough to spend £15m more on an inferior GK?
I can't see us spending £20m+ on a number 2 GK, it would be laughable, so if we spent that much then he would be No.1 and Leno would surely be off.

Rich · **#441689**

Spurs are swapping Erik Lamella and £25m for Bryan Gil from Sevilla. 20 year old left winger, handful of caps for Spain. Don't know much about him, but left wing is where Son plays normally.

Lincoln gooner · **#441690**

Rich wrote:

Spurs are swapping Erik Lamella and £25m for Bryan Gil from Sevilla. 20 year old left winger, handful of caps for Spain. Don't know much about him, but left wing is where Son plays normally.

Sevilla getting the better of that deal. Gil is unproven and Lamela will thrive in la Liga.

Zed · **#441691**

According to the Athletic, Arsenal have withdrawn from their preseason US tour due to Covid 19 cases at the club.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/theathleti ... MW%3famp=1

Rich · **#441692**

Zed wrote:

According to the Athletic, Arsenal have withdrawn from their preseason US tour due to Covid 19 cases at the club.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/theathleti ... MW%3famp=1

Heard it is some players who have tested positive but are asymptomatic.

Not great preparation to a)not have the friendlies and b)have half the team not able to train with the others.....there's probably a financial hit because we can't compete

We need to try to get some other friendlies arranged else we could go in to the season undercooked.

Bernard · **#441693**

I hope the stated expectation that Ivan Gazidis will make a full recovery from his throat cancer is true. I wasn’t his biggest fan as Arsenal’s chief executive. But I do hope he makes a full recovery.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football ... dium=email

Zed · **#441694**

Rich wrote:

Zed wrote:

According to the Athletic, Arsenal have withdrawn from their preseason US tour due to Covid 19 cases at the club.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/theathleti ... MW%3famp=1

Heard it is some players who have tested positive but are asymptomatic.

Not great preparation to a)not have the friendlies and b)have half the team not able to train with the others.....there's probably a financial hit because we can't compete

We need to try to get some other friendlies arranged else we could go in to the season undercooked.

Read later that a few players were asymptomatic as well. A cancellation fee may have to be paid though. Rumours that Inter may withdraw due to Covid and Delta variant concerns in Florida. Also a cancellation fee would be imposed. If that happens, an MLS side could be substituted but only for one game as the MLS season is ongoing now.
Not a good start at all financially.

Zed · **#441695**

Bernard wrote:

I hope the stated expectation that Ivan Gazidis will make a full recovery from his throat cancer is true. I wasn’t his biggest fan as Arsenal’s chief executive. But I do hope he makes a full recovery.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football ... dium=email

No Ivan wasn't popular as chief exec. Do hope though he recovers from the cancer.

TOP GUN · **#441696**

Zed wrote:

Rich wrote:

Heard it is some players who have tested positive but are asymptomatic.

Not great preparation to a)not have the friendlies and b)have half the team not able to train with the others.....there's probably a financial hit because we can't compete

We need to try to get some other friendlies arranged else we could go in to the season undercooked.

Read later that a few players were asymptomatic as well. A cancellation fee may have to be paid though. Rumours that Inter may withdraw due to Covid and Delta variant concerns in Florida. Also a cancellation fee would be imposed. If that happens, an MLS side could be substituted but only for one game as the MLS season is ongoing now.
Not a good start at all financially.

I genuinely don’t understand how it’s gonna work. I mean football aside most people are going to catch this thing over the next few weeks, all of us. Only a matter of time even if you are careful

So out of 25 players say plus 10-15 staff for a match day ? Surely they are going to have issues separating people affected by this and many league matches could be at risk.

TOP GUN · **#441697**

Rich wrote:

The links with Ramsdale who Sheff Utd want £40m for but a deal could probably be struck for £25m appear so incredibly strange when there is Sam Johnstone who is available for £10m (as he only has 1 year left on his deal). Both fulfil the home grown status and many would think Johnstone is the better GK. Johnstone is however 5 years older than Ramsdale but when you're buying a No.2 GK does it matter enough to spend £15m more on an inferior GK?
I can't see us spending £20m+ on a number 2 GK, it would be laughable, so if we spent that much then he would be No.1 and Leno would surely be off.

I would keep an eye on links to the Brazilian keeper Neto we’ve been linked with him before and he would be cheap as Barcelona are desperate to shift funds from their wage bill, plus crucially he’s a Kia Joorabachian client. Lump a few quid on this and thank me later

Personally I think a homegrown keeper would make sense

dec · **#441698**

Zed wrote:

According to the Athletic, Arsenal have withdrawn from their preseason US tour due to Covid 19 cases at the club.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/theathleti ... MW%3famp=1

Heading to America in the middle of a global pandemic to play a couple of friendlies was not exactly the smartest plan.

long time gooner · **#441699**

TOP GUN wrote:

I genuinely don’t understand how it’s gonna work. I mean football aside most people are going to catch this thing over the next few weeks, all of us. Only a matter of time even if you are careful

Is that right? There have been 5.5 million confirmed cases in the UK so far, most of whom have ‘recovered’.

It’s a scary leap to think that in a few weeks 10 times that number will succumb. Currently about 7,000 a day are new cases. I sincerely hope that you are wrong.

Rich · **#441700**

Links today with James Maddison again, this time suggesting Arsenal will offer Nelson and AMN in the deal. These sort of swap deals rarely come off mainly because it nearly always is based on one side getting rid of a player they don’t want.
Maddison at £60m when you could have Aouar for £20-25m doesn’t seem the best idea.

socrates · **#441701**

More speculation today about an Arsenal move for Chelsea's Tammy Abraham. Initial loan with £40m obligation to buy.

Can't see it myself, just like I cant see the logic of the interest in Sheff Utd's Aaron Ramsdale, not at £20m+ anyway.

Nevertheless, these links persist.

TOP GUN · **#441702**

long time gooner wrote:

TOP GUN wrote:

I genuinely don’t understand how it’s gonna work. I mean football aside most people are going to catch this thing over the next few weeks, all of us. Only a matter of time even if you are careful

Is that right? There have been 5.5 million confirmed cases in the UK so far, most of whom have ‘recovered’.

It’s a scary leap to think that in a few weeks 10 times that number will succumb. Currently about 7,000 a day are new cases. I sincerely hope that you are wrong.

I really can’t see another way it will unfold. We are what getting around 30 to 50 thousand new infections a day ? Seems to be increasing an increasing.

I’ve lost a relative to it and also known people had it who are now perfectly fine so the introduction of the vaccine will help massively but they were saying around 40% of hospitalisations currently have had 2 jabs anyway ?

If you have had 2 jabs and have had it the chances of getting again are reduced so it may get better eventually but in the meantime I don’t really understand how premier league games are likely to be unaffected if you have 3/4 players from the 2 teams involved in the game sidelined by covid

TOP GUN · **#441703**

socrates wrote:

More speculation today about an Arsenal move for Chelsea's Tammy Abraham. Initial loan with £40m obligation to buy.

Nevertheless, these links persist.

Really odd link and it seems to have substance behind it.

The only way it makes sense is if they know one of our senior strikers is leaving. Even with Nketiah going you still have 4 solid striker options which seems plenty.

Who’s going ?

david.d · **#441704**

socrates wrote:

More speculation today about an Arsenal move for Chelsea's Tammy Abraham. Initial loan with £40m obligation to buy.

Can't see it myself, just like I cant see the logic of the interest in Sheff Utd's Aaron Ramsdale, not at £20m+ anyway.

Nevertheless, these links persist.

Morning Soc
These bizarre links continue to persist as you say.
What with Ramsdale and Abrahams. No thanks to both.
The only way i can see Abrahams having any chance of happening is if we sold Lacazette and Eddie which would just leave us with Aubameyang and Balogun..... Oh my days i forgot all about Martinellii!! who could also play up front.
Just brainless to bring in Abrahams when you havent sold Lacazette and or Eddie.
I certainly wouldnt want another Chelsea cast off albeit a younger version coming in to block the pathway of Martinelli and Balogun.
Does Balogun sign that contract if he thinks someone like Abrahams is being brought in???
ffs lets give game time to Martinelli and Balogun rather than bringing in someone externally.
Their celings are much higher than Tammy Abrahams.

david.d · **#441705**

TOP GUN wrote:

socrates wrote:

More speculation today about an Arsenal move for Chelsea's Tammy Abraham. Initial loan with £40m obligation to buy.

Nevertheless, these links persist.

Really odd link and it seems to have substance behind it.

The only way it makes sense is if they know one of our senior strikers is leaving. Even with Nketiah going you still have 4 solid striker options which seems plenty.

Who’s going ?

Surely two strikers have to be leaving to even comprehend this Abrahams foolishness?
Even if 2 left Aubameyang , Martinelli and Balogun should be enough for a season with no European football??

TOP GUN · **#441706**

david.d wrote:

TOP GUN wrote:

Really odd link and it seems to have substance behind it.

The only way it makes sense is if they know one of our senior strikers is leaving. Even with Nketiah going you still have 4 solid striker options which seems plenty.

Who’s going ?

Surely two strikers have to be leaving to even comprehend this Abrahams foolishness?
Even if 2 left Aubameyang , Martinelli and Balogun should be enough for a season with no European football??

If they also sell Willian they may need Martinelli to cover wide left a bit more.

For what it’s worth I don’t think Abraham’s is a bad option up front to perform a squad role.

Up front Aubameyang, Abraham’s, Balogun

Wide Saka, Martinelli, Pépé

Sell Nketiah and Lacazette to generate 37 million quid to sign a midfielder

long time gooner · **#441707**

TOP GUN wrote:

long time gooner wrote:

Is that right? There have been 5.5 million confirmed cases in the UK so far, most of whom have ‘recovered’.

It’s a scary leap to think that in a few weeks 10 times that number will succumb. Currently about 7,000 a day are new cases. I sincerely hope that you are wrong.

I really can’t see another way it will unfold. We are what getting around 30 to 50 thousand new infections a day ? Seems to be increasing an increasing.

I’ve lost a relative to it and also known people had it who are now perfectly fine so the introduction of the vaccine will help massively but they were saying around 40% of hospitalisations currently have had 2 jabs anyway ?

If you have had 2 jabs and have had it the chances of getting again are reduced so it may get better eventually but in the meantime I don’t really understand how premier league games are likely to be unaffected if you have 3/4 players from the 2 teams involved in the game sidelined by covid

It’s not around 30 to 50 thousand infections a day. It’s around 7,000.

I can’t see how we are going to go from 5.5 million people to pretty well everybody in a few weeks.

And yes it is seriously scary. And I am taking every possible reasonable precaution.

TOP GUN · **#441708**

long time gooner wrote:

TOP GUN wrote:

I really can’t see another way it will unfold. We are what getting around 30 to 50 thousand new infections a day ? Seems to be increasing an increasing.

I’ve lost a relative to it and also known people had it who are now perfectly fine so the introduction of the vaccine will help massively but they were saying around 40% of hospitalisations currently have had 2 jabs anyway ?

If you have had 2 jabs and have had it the chances of getting again are reduced so it may get better eventually but in the meantime I don’t really understand how premier league games are likely to be unaffected if you have 3/4 players from the 2 teams involved in the game sidelined by covid

It’s not around 30 to 50 thousand infections a day. It’s around 7,000.

I can’t see how we are going to go from 5.5 million people to pretty well everybody in a few weeks.

And yes it is seriously scary. And I am taking every possible reasonable precaution.

It’s not 7000 is it ? 294k in the last 7 days

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/cases

socrates · **#441709**

long time gooner wrote:

TOP GUN wrote:

I really can’t see another way it will unfold. We are what getting around 30 to 50 thousand new infections a day ? Seems to be increasing an increasing.

I’ve lost a relative to it and also known people had it who are now perfectly fine so the introduction of the vaccine will help massively but they were saying around 40% of hospitalisations currently have had 2 jabs anyway ?

If you have had 2 jabs and have had it the chances of getting again are reduced so it may get better eventually but in the meantime I don’t really understand how premier league games are likely to be unaffected if you have 3/4 players from the 2 teams involved in the game sidelined by covid

It’s not around 30 to 50 thousand infections a day. It’s around 7,000.

I can’t see how we are going to go from 5.5 million people to pretty well everybody in a few weeks.

And yes it is seriously scary. And I am taking every possible reasonable precaution.

Hi ltg,

It's around 40-50k testing positive a day at the moment.

Hospitalisations are still relatively low but even if you have had both jabs and don't get hospitalised you could still end up with a moderate to nasty flu-like illness and who know about the possible long covid issues even to those who are symptomless or have relatively mild symptoms.

long time gooner · **#441710**

I’m wrong about Covid numbers. I read the 7 day average of 47,438 as being the total figure across the 7 days, as opposed to it being a figure per day.

I have to say that despite lots of scrutiny I do find the various Covid stats obscure and conflicting to say the least.

Even allowing for say 50,000 per day it seems improbable that we would go from 5.5 million to everybody in just a few weeks.

long time gooner · **#441711**

socrates wrote:

Hi ltg,

It's around 40-50k testing positive a day at the moment.

Hospitalisations are still relatively low but even if you have had both jabs and don't get hospitalised you could still end up with a moderate to nasty flu-like illness and who know about the possible long covid issues even to those who are symptomless or have relatively mild symptoms.

Hi to you too. You are absolutely right about that. Scares me somewhat, especially the (many) unknown bits.

long time gooner · **#441712**

TOP GUN wrote:

It’s not 7000 is it ? 294k in the last 7 days

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/cases

Sadly so. None of it good at all.

Makes the concept of freedom day and crowded events seem even more bizarre.

TOP GUN · **#441713**

long time gooner wrote:

I’m wrong about Covid numbers. I read the 7 day average of 47,438 as being the total figure across the 7 days, as opposed to it being a figure per day.

I have to say that despite lots of scrutiny I do find the various Covid stats obscure and conflicting to say the least.

Even allowing for say 50,000 per day it seems improbable that we would go from 5.5 million to everybody in just a few weeks.

Sorry everybody is an exaggeration I’d say a lot. I have kids of school age and it’s only a matter of time till one of them brings this into our house.

I know several people now who have had double jabs but have had it, said it’s not too bad essentially a cold in most cases. However someone else I know vocally opposed the vaccine for her and her daughters and is now bed ridden with covid.

Stay safe, believe in the vaccine and take precautions I’d say LTG. My initial comment was more along the lines that If the match day squads and staff account for about 100 odd people per game then for the next 6 months or so I don’t understand how we will be able to avoid several absences if 1 in 8 people in the UK has this thing.

long time gooner · **#441714**

TOP GUN wrote:

Stay safe, believe in the vaccine and take precautions I’d say LTG.

Spot on. Vaccinations done a while ago. All reasonable precautions ongoing.

Seems to me that (other than vaccinations) the situation hasn’t changed since the beginning of last year. All that changes is the number of people who intermingle.

TOP GUN · **#441715**

We are now being linked to Jordan Henderson.

This is great we are literally signing every player in the league. This one would make a bit of sense if your are selling Xhaka.

DHD · **#441716**

Lot of Covid-related doom and gloom at the moment but we should understand that the pretty alarming case numbers are heavily weighted towards the youth, young adults, the vulnerable and the un-vaxed.

The statistic that should be of most interest to those of us hereabouts who are of a certain age is that if you're double-jabbed and don't have existing health issues, you have very little to fear.

DHD · **#441717**

TOP GUN wrote:

I know several people now who have had double jabs but have had it, said it’s not too bad essentially a cold in most cases. However someone else I know vocally opposed the vaccine for her and her daughters and is now bed ridden with covid.

I also know a few fully jabbed-up people ('seniors', one and all) who have contracted Covid recently. One, who got it for the second time, had no symptoms at all, another had symptoms which she thought were hay fever while the others reported cold-like to mild-flu reactions. None were particularly spooked by the experience.

I have one friend in her late '50s who has a heart condition. She is an ex-nurse indeed she ran a Care Home but she won't take the vax. There are no cultural or religious reasons; she just doesn't want to be jabbed. To be fair, she lives her life very carefully but her views make no sense whatever. Her circle of friends have given up trying to convince her. It is her choice but we all fear the worst.

Rich · **#441718**

Liverpool sell Grujic for £10.5m and Awoniyi for £6.5m. £17m for a pair that a lot of Liverpool fans won't have even heard of and we're scrapping around to get £15m for Xhaka.

We must find ways of selling better. We've lacked that blockbuster sale that most of the other big clubs have and we lack the ability to sell fringe players for good money

Rich · **#441719**

TOP GUN wrote:

We are now being linked to Jordan Henderson.

This is great we are literally signing every player in the league. This one would make a bit of sense if your are selling Xhaka.

No Thanks. 2 years left on his deal, 31 years old, this is the time Liverpool are (rightly) considering selling as they'll look to get the maximum price for a player who is likely to only decline from here.

TOP GUN · **#441720**

DHD wrote:

TOP GUN wrote:

I know several people now who have had double jabs but have had it, said it’s not too bad essentially a cold in most cases. However someone else I know vocally opposed the vaccine for her and her daughters and is now bed ridden with covid.

I also know a few fully jabbed-up people ('seniors', one and all) who have contracted Covid recently. One, who got it for the second time, had no symptoms at all, another had symptoms which she thought were hay fever while the others reported cold-like to mild-flu reactions. None were particularly spooked by the experience.

.

A mate of mine has it and is isolating at the moment, just said it’s a very light cold and currently in his back garden jacuzzi listening to music with a cold drink. Doesn’t sound the worst thing I have to say.

I think a problem with this rotten thing is the fact it isn’t an issue for some people leading to complacency and conspiracy nonsense etc

Now we have the vaccine just a case of being sensible for another 12 months.

Personally I’m desperate for a *%^@*** holiday but can’t deal with the aggro for the time being. When normality resumes I’m desperate to get out to Florida and sit by the water with a cold modelo

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