I didn’t open Gaz’s link but from your mention of Simon Jordan, I’m assuming it was about him advising Ben White to not join Arsenal because the club is ‘all over the place’. Everyone should know what that expression means, and I’m not sure I would argue with Jordan about it.

I realise it’s relevant who else might be interested in him as Arsenal are a better team and bigger club than Brighton, and pay much higher wages. But Jordan saying Arsenal as a club is ‘all over the place’? Currently he certainly isn’t going to get any argument from me on that.

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Rumours are the Xhaka to Roma deal is done for 18 million euros.
Feels a bit cheap considering what we’ll have to pay to replace him. But this is a player who we’ve had for all the time we’ve been out of the champions league.

Sorry Rich, but you do come out with some odd things sometimes. Factually correct as far as qualifying for it is concerned. But you can also say that about Saka being in the first team as well, and Tierne, and Leno, and Aubameyang.

He did say all of the time that we’ve been out. So certainly not Saka or Tierney.

Having a player in the middle of the park with such a lack of mobility has been a massive part of us dropping out of the European spaces. Your kidding yourself or don’t understand the sport of you don’t get this

Fair enough.

Although perhaps not revealing as big a misunderstanding of the sport as a fan who’s been round quite a few years saying Xhaka is the worst Arsenal player he’s ever seen?

I'd forgotten that TG post, Bernard. That was a comedy classic.

Nope never said that.

I said considering the fee and appearances your misquoting me deliberately

I remember that ridiculous post as well.

What's funny about your post is that it quite subtly suggests that women aren't as intelligent as men. It's the subtlety that makes it very funny and reinforces how clever men like you (and me, obviously) actually are. Good one, AG.

Even considering the fee and appearances it was a ridiculous post. Why should players be blamed for transfer fees paid anyway? It’s the buying club who decides to pay it. Xhaka or his agent didn’t hold a gun to Wenger’s head instructing him to pay it. There’s been nothing wrong with his appearance record either. Every manager he’s played for here has rated his performances highly enough to keep picking him.

I won’t be bothered if he leaves. However, as I’ve said before I think overall Xhaka deserves to be seen as a good signing. I reckon DHD was spot on not too long ago when he said words to the effect that we routinely look a worse team when he doesn’t play.

Poor diddums how horrible for you

He simply isn’t a success we are selling for half the fee we bought him for when we paid more than kante for him. That type of fee should guarantee extreme quality at the time.

He’s not moving to a big club meaning the rest of the football world isn’t impressed by him either. He’s been a collective disaster when we needed a midfield dynamo

I remember it too. Not horrible, just terribly silly (even with the qualifiers).

At least partly because he was 5 years younger when we bought him?

My own view is that Xhaka has suffered at Arsenal from the lack of quality around him.

Wales playing with good pace going forward. Bale looking dangerous whenever he has the ball.

Both teams playing high tempo football. Good to watch highly driven teams.

What a well worked goal from Denmark. And brilliantly scored.

Danish players doing a lot of off the ball running. That was key to them getting the goal.

Decaf is right about Xhaka’s age being part of the equation why he may go for less money than he joined. It isn’t difficult to understand the relevance of age. If Bayern sold Lewandowski this summer, does anyone think they’d get anything like as much as Tottenham will get for Kane if they sell him? Of course Bayern wouldn’t, even though Lewandowski and Kane are strikers at a similar level. Lewandowski is five years older and fast approaching being past his peak than a still at his peak Kane.

Also, the transfer market is depressed and it’s silly to pretend otherwise. That will influence any drop in Xhaka’s selling price as well as his age. Some clubs can so will spend heavily to get players. Hence if City do get Kane, I strongly suspect Tottenham would have insisted on even more for him had they sold when the transfer market wasn’t depressed.

Wales lost all mojo after going a goal down. Denmark running all over them

He hasn’t impressed you're kidding yourself

Your opinion of players is, in my view, influenced way too much by whether you like them.

Not me. How many times has Kante been booed off the pitch by his own fans. Zero

You can’t admit the truth

I don't know what his valuation was but if I had to guess, and its only a guess, I'd have wanted 25 million but 18 million and we get rid of someone who I at least thought we could do much better in that position.

TG and AG, what a combination.

Poor diddums

Your new favourite phrase.

Certainly is

You seem to want to draw comparisons between Xhaka and Kante. The truth is that not being as good as Kante does not make Xhaka as bad as you suggest: namely the worst player you’ve seen play for the club regardless of qualifications like appearances or fees.

I’ve said here before. I was at that game when Xhaka was booed off the pitch. It was a small if not tiny minority, albeit a very vocal one. In a crowd of 60k statistically you’ll always get a few idiots. Different crowd size but when we drew 2-2 at Stamford Bridge in January last year, Martinelli scored his goal because Kante slipped and fell over, putting Martinelli through on goal.

For many years now I’ve gone home from Chelsea getting a train from Fulham Broadway tube station. On the train the huge majority were Chelsea fans. Clearly an immediate reaction to him falling over but there were some Chelsea fans moaning about Kante, with a couple of morons even saying get rid of him. Take people from any grouping imaginable and I’m sure you will be able to find people who don’t think things through so end up making ridiculous points. Football fans of any club, including Arsenal, are one of them.

It's just a typical Top Gun ploy, Bernard: when he's losing the argument, he changes the terms of the argument. As you've said, TG reckons Xhaka is the worst player he's seen play for the club - Kante being a better player than Xhaka is irrelevant.

Poor diddums = I've run out of coherent arguments and concede defeat with a nonsensical phrase.

I'll feel sorry for Sako if he is not played but he will have a long, arduous season ahead for us so the more rest he can have the better for us.
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Took a little break from following football and slowly getting back into it. Ben White, huh? Okay, the reported 50 mil seems steep but I'm grudgingly okay with that much for a proper, quality CB alongside Gabriel.

If we can get a decent playmaker to partner with Partey we will be 'top 6' contenders in earnest. I think. Yes we lack other positions but we have enough to make a go of it. But obviously far from a completed roster.

What arguments ? If people wanna get upset about perfectly logical posts it’s up to them.

You are misquoting me. As I pointed out to Bernard I never said that I said relevant to the transfer fee. Check the original post.

If you are unable to read the English language you shouldn't participate in a forum that requires it. You clearly don’t know how to read and are probably uneducated.

Says the person who fails to use “your” and “you’re” correctly.

Please behave yourself.