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Decaf · **#440481**

TOP GUN wrote:

I’d start Saka tonight. Southgate won’t but if there’s a player who can pick out Kane it’s him.

Brave selections from Southgate.

gooner7 · **#440482**

Saka is finally playing :53big-emoticons:

DHD · **#440483**

So Grealish provides the chance for Sterling BUT that was Saka all the way.

The ability to beat a man in mf sets Saka apart.

gooner7 · **#440484**

Blind referee. Can't spot the foul and yet gave Saka a talking to.

gooner7 · **#440485**

It won't be long before the top clubs start baiting Saka. Arsenal need to show ambition and progress much faster to retain Saka's loyalty when it happens.

Hazuki · **#440486**

I think there's an interesting stylistic dilemma for England this tournament with your attacking options. Guys like Foden and Mount are brilliant players, but more team oriented, works well in a system but doesn't provide the same cutting edge as guys like Grealish, Rashford and Saka. Maybe the latter is better suited for a tournament like this, where almost every game is a decider.

Rich · **#440487**

Saka the best player on the pitch in that half. Showed what England have missed in the first two games. A willingness to drive with the ball. Everything good England has done has involved Saka

dec · **#440488**

Hazuki wrote:

I think there's an interesting stylistic dilemma for England this tournament with your attacking options. Guys like Foden and Mount are brilliant players, but more team oriented, works well in a system but doesn't provide the same cutting edge as guys like Grealish, Rashford and Saka. Maybe the latter is better suited for a tournament like this, where almost every game is a decider.

Grealish is an absolute gem of a player. I can't understand why he isn't a fixture in the team.

Hazuki · **#440489**

DHD wrote:

So Grealish provides the chance for Sterling BUT that was Saka all the way.

The ability to beat a man in mf sets Saka apart.

Love how he just kept going after driving the ball forward from his own half. His run into the box for the cross from Grealish pulled the Czech defense apart and left Sterling completely open, brilliant stuff.

Bernard · **#440490**

dec wrote:

Bernard wrote:

What’s the logic behind the location of games? For example, both Germany’s games have been played in Munich, which I’m comfortable with as I want them to win it. Yet I accept it seems an unfair advantage.

Although I only saw brief moments of them, haven’t all three of England’s (including tonight’s) been played at Wembley? I heard somewhere that the final will also be at Wembley whatever teams reach it. Again, why are England (should they reach the final) getting an unfair advantage?

Why aren’t the matches being spread around a bit more? Covid, or are they not bothered about giving some countries an advantage despite there no longer (as far as I’m aware) being a host nation like there used to be?

Hi Bernard,

It isn't Covid related. The format for Euro 2020 which was agreed several years ago was that it would be played in cities all across Europe.

With the exception of largely empty stadia, I think it is the biggest negative about this tournament. It is daft that a number of countries get to play their games at home while others are travelling all over the continent.

Also, there is something missing in not having a host nation.

Thanks dec. you’re right it seems daft to give what seems like so many countries having so many home games. If there’s a host nation one can understand them having an advantage. But why should England not only benefit from all their group games being at Wembley, but the final if they reach it when they’re not the host nation? Will their knockout rounds before the final be at Wembley too?

Bernard · **#440491**

Zed wrote:

Could've sworn I saw TG on the Independent live sit of fans arriving at Wembley. :14laughter:

Easy to see, he was flailing his arms in exasperation. :angel9:

Did he have his ‘Xhaka For The Guillotine’ t-shirt on?

Bernard · **#440492**

I’m watching Scotland bromley. Sadly 1-2 down with some twenty minutes left, with them needing to win to qualify.

EDIT: Scotland are 1-3 down now with ten minutes left. Realistically it’s all over for them. Shame, I really wanted them to win.

Hazuki · **#440493**

Something is up with Kane. He's either carrying a knock or just badly out of form, he's not moving well at all, not attacking crosses or making good runs.

Hazuki · **#440494**

Watching Pickford and Maguire try to play out from the back gives me PTSD from the Čech days

gooner7 · **#440495**

Oh no Kane, that trick is only good with English referees in the EPL.

Hazuki · **#440496**

Mings on for Stones, that'll sort that out

Lincoln gooner · **#440497**

Bernard wrote:

I’m watching Scotland bromley. Sadly 1-2 down with some twenty minutes left, with them needing to win to qualify.

EDIT: Scotland are 1-3 down now with ten minutes left. Realistically it’s all over for them. Shame, I really wanted them to win.

Outclassed I'm afraid Bernard. No complaints.

Hazuki · **#440498**

What a goal by Modric

Gaz from Oz · **#440499**

Hazuki wrote:

Something is up with Kane. He's either carrying a knock or just badly out of form, he's not moving well at all, not attacking crosses or making good runs.

Crook back from continually backing into players, fouling them and being given permission by English refs.

long time gooner · **#440500**

Bernard wrote:

dec wrote:

Hi Bernard,

It isn't Covid related. The format for Euro 2020 which was agreed several years ago was that it would be played in cities all across Europe.

With the exception of largely empty stadia, I think it is the biggest negative about this tournament. It is daft that a number of countries get to play their games at home while others are travelling all over the continent.

Also, there is something missing in not having a host nation.

Thanks dec. you’re right it seems daft to give what seems like so many countries having so many home games. If there’s a host nation one can understand them having an advantage. But why should England not only benefit from all their group games being at Wembley, but the final if they reach it when they’re not the host nation? Will their knockout rounds before the final be at Wembley too?

Their next game (last 16 will be at Wembley). No quarter finals are at Wembley. Both semi finals and the final are at Wembley.

long time gooner · **#440501**

Nice one. Saka is man of the match. Well done that man.

Bernard · **#440502**

long time gooner wrote:

Bernard wrote:

Thanks dec. you’re right it seems daft to give what seems like so many countries having so many home games. If there’s a host nation one can understand them having an advantage. But why should England not only benefit from all their group games being at Wembley, but the final if they reach it when they’re not the host nation? Will their knockout rounds before the final be at Wembley too?

Their next game (last 16 will be at Wembley). No quarter finals are at Wembley. Both semi finals and the final are at Wembley.

So if England reach the final, the only game they won’t have at Wembley will be the quarter final. One single game off having the home advantage England had in Euro 96 as the home nation? What a joke. Hope they get knocked out.

Lincoln gooner · **#440503**

Bernard wrote:

long time gooner wrote:

Their next game (last 16 will be at Wembley). No quarter finals are at Wembley. Both semi finals and the final are at Wembley.

So if England reach the final, the only game they won’t have at Wembley will be the quarter final. One single game off having the home advantage England had in Euro 96 as the home nation? What a joke. Hope they get knocked out.

Every chance they'll be playing your lot next Bernard.

Bernard · **#440504**

bromley gooner wrote:

Bernard wrote:

So if England reach the final, the only game they won’t have at Wembley will be the quarter final. One single game off having the home advantage England had in Euro 96 as the home nation? What a joke. Hope they get knocked out.

Every chance they'll be playing your lot next Bernard.

Is there? Multiply the last sentence of my previous post enormously.

TOP GUN · **#440505**

Zed wrote:

Could've sworn I saw TG on the Independent live sit of fans arriving at Wembley. :14laughter:

Easy to see, he was flailing his arms in exasperation. :angel9:

It was me

Horrendous England performance lightened up by a young lad with bundles of talent and spirit. Well done B

Told you :laughing7:

Gaz from Oz · **#440506**

Sterling not interested in swapping to Spurs

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footb ... -deal.html

bubblechris · **#440507**

TOP GUN wrote:

long time gooner wrote:

I have regularly seen reports as to how Brexit is affecting the general populace negatively. I have yet to see a single example of a benefit.

Hopefully somewhere along the line…..

The vaccine rollout would be rightly lauded as a success however our desperation for a remedy was definitely heightened by us being riddled with covid. So yes maybe you got a jab a couple months quicker because of it. Not sure that’s logical justification for wrecking several industries though

Well that wasn't what you was saying when I was calling for an end to lockdowns? I suppose that makes you sergeant Hindsight!

:42laughter:

bubblechris · **#440508**

long time gooner wrote:

TOP GUN wrote:

Turkeys still think Christmas is a great idea

https://twitter.com/bylinetv/status/140 ... 45190?s=21

I have regularly seen reports as to how Brexit is affecting the general populace negatively. I have yet to see a single example of a benefit.

Hopefully somewhere along the line…..

You're obviously reading the wrong newspaper and watching the wrong news stations or maybe you have your head in the sand?

As a one off try reading the Express for starters :42laughter:

TOP GUN · **#440509**

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bubblechris wrote:

TOP GUN wrote:

The vaccine rollout would be rightly lauded as a success however our desperation for a remedy was definitely heightened by us being riddled with covid. So yes maybe you got a jab a couple months quicker because of it. Not sure that’s logical justification for wrecking several industries though

Well that wasn't what you was saying when I was calling for an end to lockdowns? I suppose that makes you sergeant Hindsight!

:42laughter:

Did you get the vaccine? If you did you're a total hypocrite

You’re ridiculous anti lockdown petition showed you up mate :58big-emoticons:

bubblechris · **#440510**

Did I ever say I was anti vax. You lie every time your mouth moves and the *%^@ you make up is beyond belief.

Read this Take that, Brussels! Brexit Britain booms as UK investment surges even DURING a pandemic

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics ... p_AppShare

Rich · **#440511**

I thought Saka's back to goal play was really good last night, his first touch is always sound and then he has the strength to hold off the pressing defender and often rolling or turning him and driving forward 40-50 yards. Easy to see why Southgate picked him as he gives a dimension that was missing from the first two games.

Also, Saka has made 3 starts and got 3 man of the match awards for England

Rich · **#440512**

Apparently Villa are coming back with an improved bid of £30m for Smith-Rowe. It seems a strange one that Villa think they can sign him from us. I wouldn't put it beyond clubs to make 'posturing' bids - bids that they know won't happen but show the ambition of the club to the fans. I'm sure we've done it in the past.

It would be tempting to just string Villa along until the end of the window making them think they have a chance.

Bernard · **#440513**

Rich wrote:

Apparently Villa are coming back with an improved bid of £30m for Smith-Rowe. It seems a strange one that Villa think they can sign him from us. I wouldn't put it beyond clubs to make 'posturing' bids - bids that they know won't happen but show the ambition of the club to the fans. I'm sure we've done it in the past.

It would be tempting to just string Villa along until the end of the window making them think they have a chance.

Might doing your second paragraph make Smith Rowe wonder if Arsenal could be tempted to accept an offer for him? If so, I would be against it. Also, I’ve never had any problem with Villa. A fine old, established and traditional club. Why deliberately try to mess up their transfer window? I think that would make us look petty, if not somewhat pathetic.

DHD · **#440514**

This extract from Jonathan Liew's piece on Saka in this morning's Grauniad:

There are a few reasons why Saka feels like he’s slipped under the radar a bit. First of all, his raw numbers are really nothing special. He has just five goals and three assists for Arsenal this season. More often than not, he’s the man who plays the pass before the pass: or in Arsenal’s case the pass before the pass before Nicolas Pépé puts the ball straight out for a goal kick. So often this season Saka has felt like a sparkling player being tethered down by the dunderheads around him.

Bernard · **#440515**

DHD wrote:

This extract from Jonathan Liew's piece on Saka in this morning's Grauniad:

There are a few reasons why Saka feels like he’s slipped under the radar a bit. First of all, his raw numbers are really nothing special. He has just five goals and three assists for Arsenal this season. More often than not, he’s the man who plays the pass before the pass: or in Arsenal’s case the pass before the pass before Nicolas Pépé puts the ball straight out for a goal kick. So often this season Saka has felt like a sparkling player being tethered down by the dunderheads around him.

I think that’s grossly unfair on Pépé. But despite that, the comments do explain why I think people who focus heavily on assists and goals scored as the reliable measure of a player’s effectiveness are hopelessly misguided.

DHD · **#440516**

Bernard wrote:

DHD wrote:

This extract from Jonathan Liew's piece on Saka in this morning's Grauniad:

There are a few reasons why Saka feels like he’s slipped under the radar a bit. First of all, his raw numbers are really nothing special. He has just five goals and three assists for Arsenal this season. More often than not, he’s the man who plays the pass before the pass: or in Arsenal’s case the pass before the pass before Nicolas Pépé puts the ball straight out for a goal kick. So often this season Saka has felt like a sparkling player being tethered down by the dunderheads around him.

I think that’s grossly unfair on Pépé. But despite that, the comments do explain why I think people who focus heavily on assists and goals scored as the reliable measure of a player’s effectiveness are hopelessly misguided.

I think the reference to Pépé was more for comic effect, Bern. This is the full (highly complimentary) article, if there's interest:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2021/jun/22/bukayo-saka-euro-2020-england-czech-republic

Rich · **#440517**

Tierney knocked out so should be able to get a decent full preseason with us after a bit of a holiday. Xhaka and Saka still involved but I can't think of too many others who are away. I think we have Gabriel and Martinelli in the Brazil Olympics squad.

Massively important pre season, Arteta's first proper pre-season, we need to get our signings done asap and hit the ground running at the start of the season to take advantage. We don't have any long term injuries at the moment either - first time in a while I can think we've gone in to a season without someone on a long term injury.

Rich · **#440518**

Bernard wrote:

Rich wrote:

Apparently Villa are coming back with an improved bid of £30m for Smith-Rowe. It seems a strange one that Villa think they can sign him from us. I wouldn't put it beyond clubs to make 'posturing' bids - bids that they know won't happen but show the ambition of the club to the fans. I'm sure we've done it in the past.

It would be tempting to just string Villa along until the end of the window making them think they have a chance.

Might doing your second paragraph make Smith Rowe wonder if Arsenal could be tempted to accept an offer for him? If so, I would be against it. Also, I’ve never had any problem with Villa. A fine old, established and traditional club. Why deliberately try to mess up their transfer window? I think that would make us look petty, if not somewhat pathetic.

Yeah I wouldn't advocate actually doing it, we're certainly better than that. I was more a jokey suggestion to annoy Villa.

Even if we did decide to do it I would expect we'd tell Smith Rowe that we have absolutely no intention of selling him first.

Lincoln gooner · **#440519**

Rich wrote:

Apparently Villa are coming back with an improved bid of £30m for Smith-Rowe. It seems a strange one that Villa think they can sign him from us. I wouldn't put it beyond clubs to make 'posturing' bids - bids that they know won't happen but show the ambition of the club to the fans. I'm sure we've done it in the past.

It would be tempting to just string Villa along until the end of the window making them think they have a chance.

It is slightly worrying that they see any point in making a second bid, as it suggests they weren't told he was not for sale under any circumstances. They must feel there's a chance of coming to some agreement.
Given who owns us I wouldn't be surprised if they sold him.

old man of hoy · **#440520**

First job well done by England. The reward is a match against a potential trophy winning team, so history suggests we may not go any further in the competition. Southgate may have to release the handbrake to buck the odds, but for me there were some good signs last night. Saka was the obvious highlight and Kane looked more mobile. Grealish faded but has a brilliant first touch and ability to win free kicks. Sterling will always cause trouble when running forward, though he has the annoying habit of slowing build-up play at times. The major bonus is the defence which apart from Stones' scary far forward excursion last night has been almost Italian in its pragmatism.

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