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Post #377681  Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2021 4:11 pm 
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Good open match between Turkey & Wales. Turkey Captain Burak nearly scored.

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Ramsey nearly scored. Should have done better.

Followed up by missing a sitter.

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Post #377683  Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2021 4:40 pm 
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I like the movement from the Turkish players. Always moving the ball forward with one touch football.

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So apparently we’ve bid £40m for White and at the same time are in the process of selling Mavropanos to Stuttgart for £7m.

Now, Mavropanos was one of the most promising young defenders in the Bundesliga last season, a regular starter for a relatively high profile club, getting plaudits for his performances and just capped for Greece.

Why are we asking a measly £7m. I’d expect to pay that for a young defender in the English League Two or Ligue 2 in France.

I think one thing that's being overlooked with Mavropanos is his injury record. By all accounts he was excellent for Stuttgart when he played, but he was once again hampered by injuries and only started 19 of 34 league games. Since his breakthrough season in Greece he has only played 56 games in 4 seasons, which isn't a whole lot - just 14 games per season, and a lot of that is down to him being injured.

If an English team was in for him we'd probably get £10m or more, but clubs in Europe are strapped for cash at the moment so I don't expect to get much more than the quoted £7m.


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Ramsey nearly scored. Should have done better.

Followed up by missing a sitter.

Followed by scoring a sitter.

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Post #377686  Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2021 4:43 pm 
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And now he's scored with a perfectly timed run and a neat finish.


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Post #377687  Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2021 4:43 pm 
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And Ramsey scores on the third attempt! Always loved him as a player, and this is one of the reasons - no matter how many times he misses he never lets his head down and always keeps trying.


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Post #377688  Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2021 4:44 pm 
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Post #377689  Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:00 pm 
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So apparently we’ve bid £40m for White and at the same time are in the process of selling Mavropanos to Stuttgart for £7m.

Now, Mavropanos was one of the most promising young defenders in the Bundesliga last season, a regular starter for a relatively high profile club, getting plaudits for his performances and just capped for Greece.

Why are we asking a measly £7m. I’d expect to pay that for a young defender in the English League Two or Ligue 2 in France.

I've said the same thing many times. Of course we don't know exactly what the 'asking prices' really are, but why are our asking prices reported so often consistently lower (or reasonable) than any other club.

I'm hearing we're interested in Ramsdale the Sheff Utd GK. The rumours say £20m but Sheff Utd bosses want £40m because of his england call up. Ramsdale has had back to back relegations and I didn't see anything in the last two seasons that suggests he's any more than a £10m GK. He's only in the England squad because of injuries to Pope and Henderson.

If the interested club is a prem club then it seems fair game to set the price sky high. So Nketiah has 3 english clubs after him, why aren't we saying it is £25m to start the bidding? Brewster and Solanke went for that sort of price and Nketiah has a better record than both at club and international level.


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Chris Wheatley (football Journalist )on twitter
Told that Arsenal have made offers for four players in the past week.

They're confident of wrapping up two of those deals soon - believed to be Ben White and Albert Sambi Lokonga.

Xhaka, Mavropanos & Guendouzi leaving, with Eddie Nketiah also for sale.


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Post #377691  Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:20 pm 
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Bale missed his penalty. Shockingly poor penalty.

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Rich wrote:
Chris Wheatley (football Journalist )on twitter
Told that Arsenal have made offers for four players in the past week.

Yeah, a lot of signs pointing to us going big this summer. Need to get the deals over the line of course, but encouraging start to the summer.


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Despite the early misses, Ramsey is playing a blinder


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Despite the early misses, Ramsey is playing a blinder

He is indeed (or at least he was until he went off).

Most entertaining game of the tournament so far.

Referee is pretty useless and officious.

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Cracking finish to a cracking game.

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Cracking finish to a cracking game.

God, who was the co-commentator on BBC1? What an annoying prat!


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Bale is fantastic. Man of the match.
Worth staying up to watch. Fast moving football.

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Bernard wrote:
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Cracking finish to a cracking game.

God, who was the co-commentator on BBC1? What an annoying prat!

Is that tongue in cheek Bernard and you do know who it is? Robbie Savage, a prat at the best of times, adds nothing insightful and is even worse when he commentates on Wales


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Top 6 sides we've had to play in the opening 6 fixtures for the past 4 seasons. Compare to Man U who don't play a top 6 side until they face Leicester in week 8.

18/19:
MCI (h)
CHE (a)

19/20:
LIV (a)
TOT (h)
UTD (a)

20/21:
LIV (a)
MCI (a)
UTD (a)

21/22:
CHE (h)
MCI (a)
TOT (h)

Don’t want to ruin a hard luck story but Spurs didn’t finish top 6 last year. So technically we have a better start than the previous year. Then of course we play Chelsea who we beat home and away last season. If we have improved then a home game against Spurs should give us a big advantage.

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Italy are superb. The football is top top drawer.

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Post #377701  Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2021 7:36 pm 
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Rich wrote:
Chris Wheatley (football Journalist )on twitter
Told that Arsenal have made offers for four players in the past week.

They're confident of wrapping up two of those deals soon - believed to be Ben White and Albert Sambi Lokonga.

Xhaka, Mavropanos & Guendouzi leaving, with Eddie Nketiah also for sale.

Ramsdale, white, lokonga and Maddison?

That little lot would cost around 140 odd million? Makes sense though.

Then if we sell Bellerin and Lacazette we recruit like for like replacements with the money obtained.


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Rich wrote:
Chris Wheatley (football Journalist )on twitter
Told that Arsenal have made offers for four players in the past week.

They're confident of wrapping up two of those deals soon - believed to be Ben White and Albert Sambi Lokonga.

Xhaka, Mavropanos & Guendouzi leaving, with Eddie Nketiah also for sale.

Ramsdale, white, lokonga and Maddison?

That little lot would cost around 140 odd million? Makes sense though.

Then if we sell Bellerin and Lacazette we recruit like for like replacements with the money obtained.


White and Maddison both massively overpriced with the English premium. Is that really a good use of scarce resources? There must be better value around surely.


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Italy are superb. The football is top top drawer.

Just banged in their second. They are great to watch.


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Oh well, we can scrub Locatelli off the list of possibles.


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Oh well, we can scrub Locatelli off the list of possibles.


Sneaky bid would be worth a shot.

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White and Maddison both massively overpriced with the English premium. Is that really a good use of scarce resources? There must be better value around surely.

I get what you mean, sadly if you want English players you're never getting value for money. I'm not overly keen on Maddison myself, but if we have money this summer I like to see us go for the players we really want rather than finding better deals for players who are maybe not as good. Think White in particular has the potential to be an excellent, ball-playing defender.


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socrates wrote:
Oh well, we can scrub Locatelli of the list of possibles.

Just what I was thinking. You can't let these sorts of players have great tournaments before you make a bid. £50m+ midfielder already on the back of these first two games.


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socrates wrote:
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Ramsdale, white, lokonga and Maddison?

That little lot would cost around 140 odd million? Makes sense though.

Then if we sell Bellerin and Lacazette we recruit like for like replacements with the money obtained.


White and Maddison both massively overpriced with the English premium. Is that really a good use of scarce resources? There must be better value around surely.


Honestly at the moment I think we need committed players and recruiting players who have already impressed in the league makes sense. I question the long term motivation of some of our recent signings like Torreira and Willian.

Luiz out white in ? That sounds like we are thinking about our future logically right ?


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Rich wrote:
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God, who was the co-commentator on BBC1? What an annoying prat!

Is that tongue in cheek Bernard and you do know who it is? Robbie Savage, a prat at the best of times, adds nothing insightful and is even worse when he commentates on Wales

Hi Rich. No I didn’t know it was Robbie Savage, although it doesn’t surprise me to hear it was him. I didn’t see him introduced in the pre-match chat. In fact I haven’t been watching much of the Euro games. A few minutes here and there, but the only one I’ve seen all of was Germany’s loss to France.

That’s the way football is for me these days. Unless I have an emotional affinity with a team, I never watch games from the kick off to final whistle. Hence the only matches I see in full are all those involving Arsenal, and whenever Bayern Munich, Glasgow Rangers and the German national team are on live (far, far fewer). As I’ve said, I’m therefore not the person to give legitimate views on players from other clubs. Take this Ben White for example. Hazuki is very positive and socrates seems less convinced he’s worth the money.

I don’t know which of them is right as the only times I’d have seen him are when he’s played against us for Brighton, and I can’t say he really did anything to stick in my mind.


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Locatelli looks like a player, but sadly I think he's bound for Juventus. They always seem like the top destination for Italian players, much like Bayern are for Germans.


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Hazuki is very positive and socrates seems less convinced he’s worth the money.

Think that tells you everything you need to know about how to rate White, to be fair.


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White and Maddison both massively overpriced with the English premium. Is that really a good use of scarce resources? There must be better value around surely.


Honestly at the moment I think we need committed players and recruiting players who have already impressed in the league makes sense. I question the long term motivation of some of our recent signings like Torreira and Willian.

Luiz out white in ? That sounds like we are thinking about our future logically right ?


It really depends how much money we have to spend. Of course £50m represents good value if he forms the backbone of our defence for years to come but is he really that good? I can't say I've ever really noticed him and thought he's a great player.

I'm thinking whether £100m on White and Maddison would be better spent on Grealish. It's just massive money whichever way you look at it and not something I realistically expected to be talking about.

Personally, I don't see Maddison at Arsenal. Too much money for player who's very good, but not great, and comes with some baggage.


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Mama Mia...that was a fantastic football match from the Italians. Meanwhile, Xhaka's shop value may have dropped a bit. AS Roma may just have their bid readjusted if still interested.

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Is that tongue in cheek Bernard and you do know who it is? Robbie Savage, a prat at the best of times, adds nothing insightful and is even worse when he commentates on Wales

Hi Rich. No I didn’t know it was Robbie Savage, although it doesn’t surprise me to hear it was him. I didn’t see him introduced in the pre-match chat. In fact I haven’t been watching much of the Ruro games. A few minutes here and there, but the only one I’ve seen all of was Germany’s loss to France.

That’s the way football is for me these days. Unless I have an emotional affinity with a team, I never watch games from the kick off to final whistle. Hence the only matches I see in full are all those involving Arsenal, and whenever Bayern Munich, Glasgow Rangers and the German national team are on live (far, far fewer). As I’ve said, I’m therefore not the person to give legitimate views on players from other clubs. Take this Ben White for example. Hazuki is very positive and socrates seems less convinced he’s worth the money.

I don’t know which of them is right as the only times I’d have seen him are when he’s played against us for Brighton, and I can’t say he really did anything to stick in my mind.


Hi Bernard,

Its more the money than the player. I cant recall ever noticing him but I rarely watch Brighton.

Haz thinks he a top ball playing CB and he's probably seen much more of him than me. It just seems one heck of a lot of money unless he proves to be the real deal.

That said, if he is the real deal it would be an awesome purchase, akin to the VVD deal at Liverpool.


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Donaruma is out of contract 2 weeks time, Only 22.

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Donaruma is out of contract 2 weeks time, Only 22.


Hi Gun,

Isn't he off to Juve?


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socrates wrote:
TOP GUN wrote:

Honestly at the moment I think we need committed players and recruiting players who have already impressed in the league makes sense. I question the long term motivation of some of our recent signings like Torreira and Willian.

Luiz out white in ? That sounds like we are thinking about our future logically right ?


It really depends how much money we have to spend. Of course £50m represents good value if he forms the backbone of our defence for years to come but is he really that good? I can't say I've ever really noticed him and thought he's a great player.

I'm thinking whether £100m on White and Maddison would be better spent on Grealish. It's just massive money whichever way you look at it and not something I realistically expected to be talking about.

Personally, I don't see Maddison at Arsenal. Too much money for player who's very good, but not great, and comes with some baggage.


We won’t get Grealish though surely we are a basket case of a club right now.

I’d have Maddison but have a feeling that’s too complex but white makes sense especially as we have a number of players like Nketiah and chambers we could include in the deal.


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Hi Gun,

Isn't he off to Juve?

Think it's PSG actually.

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For those interested in
Donnarumma.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/sempremila ... g-days/amp

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Haz thinks he a top ball playing CB and he's probably seen much more of him than me. It just seems one heck of a lot of money unless he proves to be the real deal.

I can't say I've watched him extensively, but I saw probably 6-7 games with Brighton last season and I did take a little extra look at White because of the hype after his season at Leeds. He's not a huge guy at 6ft, but agile and pretty quick, and very good with the ball. So much of football these days are based on pressing, so defenders who can play out from the back and beat the press are essential and from what I've seen he fits that profile.


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