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Post #521001  Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:49 am 
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But I do find this fetishisation of Saliba from some fans, particularly on Twitter as a bit odd seeing as he’s never played a competitive minute for us.

Basically we don’t have fans anymore

There is a whole generation of fans now days who attach themselves to a player, almost like a club. They seem to be doing it before a player makes it, as a look at me statement. Look at the way Bernard doubles down on Guendouzi and Xhaka if anyone dares suggest they aren’t up to it. Bizarre


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But I do find this fetishisation of Saliba from some fans, particularly on Twitter as a bit odd seeing as he’s never played a competitive minute for us.

Basically we don’t have fans anymore

There is a whole generation of fans now days who attach themselves to a player, almost like a club. They seem to be doing it before a player makes it, as a look at me statement. Look at the way Bernard doubles down on Guendouzi and Xhaka if anyone dares suggest they aren’t up to it. Bizarre

I think any use of 'doubling down' and 'Xhaka' in the same sentence points pretty inevitably in the direction of one particular forum member - and it isn't Bernard. Bernard is certainly more of a fan of Guendouzi than most of us, but that happens.

Regarding Saliba, it feels more like an anti-Arteta thing to me (something else to blame him for) than pro-Saliba, but I might be wrong about that.

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Saliba was nominated as one of the CBs in the French league team of the season despite only joining in Jan.

He definitely has something about him. Raw yes, but it’s not like we bought a dud. The kid looks destined for the top and if we lose him because we handled his situation poorly then more fool us.


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Basically we don’t have fans anymore

There is a whole generation of fans now days who attach themselves to a player, almost like a club. They seem to be doing it before a player makes it, as a look at me statement. Look at the way Bernard doubles down on Guendouzi and Xhaka if anyone dares suggest they aren’t up to it. Bizarre

I think any use of 'doubling down' and 'Xhaka' in the same sentence points pretty inevitably in the direction of one particular forum member - and it isn't Bernard. Bernard is certainly more of a fan of Guendouzi than most of us, but that happens.

Regarding Saliba, it feels more like an anti-Arteta thing to me (something else to blame him for) than pro-Saliba, but I might be wrong about that.


Hi mc,

Guendouzi was captain of the french u21 side, a team packed with outstanding players.

We are practically giving him and Xhaka away. I will see what kind of fees other players go for in the rest of the window before judging our selling prowess but it’s not looking great so far.


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Ultimately these players go on the same pitch and are given the same football to kick as the rest of the players. If they don’t take their opportunities it’s their fault. Arsenal down the years have given very good opportunities to young players who seized their chance. All arsenal managers in my time haven't really hesitated to give people a chance in the side and back in the day our fans would never have advocated sacking George Graham for not giving Mark Flatts enough minutes on the pitch.

Surely if Guendouzi is that good he would stand out a mile in the Hertha Berlin side ? But he didn’t.

Trying to desperately search for ulterior reasons such players didn’t make the grade is bizarre and self defeating. Apart from maybe Serge Gnabry we haven’t really dropped the ball with a young player and that was very specific


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We all have our differing views on this but Saliba clearly has talent.
To not afford the boy a chance to even prove himself is scandalous.
All down to one man Arteta.
And agreed with Mcq he does seem Anti Saliba rather than pro Saliba.
The boy never stood a chance.
Dreading how he is going to manage Balogun to be honest..


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We dont have the resources to be spending huge amounts.
That's why nurturing these youngsters is another way to do it.
Arteta is not the man to do it.


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We dont have the resources to be spending huge amounts.
That's why nurturing these youngsters is another way to do it.
Arteta is not the man to do it.


Am I missing something ? Willock, Emile Smith Rowe and Saka all products of hale end we’re used frequently last season.

There’s highlighting a difference in opinion and then there’s just highlighting the nonsense that wanders round inside your brain mate :58big-emoticons:


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Post #521009  Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 10:21 am 
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The transfer fee prices quoted in the media will be unreliable. That is sure not arguable. I’ve never said player quality isn’t a relevant factor and it would be a lie if you’re saying I did. What I do think is that there are other factors that influence the price paid and received.

This could include in no particular order the state of the market (depressed or not), players’ ages, length of time left on contracts with existing clubs, the eagerness or willingness for relevant players to leave current clubs and join a new ones, the skill or competence in negotiating transfer fees for buying and selling clubs, and I doubt that will be an exhaustive list. So it is NOT solely down to player quality, which you appeared to be suggesting.

Your post 530621 confirms player quality determines transfer value. No longer any need to continue this

My post 530621 was: “I thought I asked who all these players are you consider worse than Xhaka who will move for higher fees. So why did you mention Jorghino, let alone Castagne or Brewster? How about Allan, as it’s down to him now? By the way, do you consider £20m peanuts? Because that’s the fee I’ve seen for Xhaka, a player who’s approaching 29, his contract expires in two years, and appears eager to move on. You obviously buy your peanuts from Harrods.”

I have never said that transfer fees are unrelated to player quality. It is why, assuming he leaves Tottenham this summer, that Harry Kane will be transferred for more money than someone like Maupay will leave Brighton for, if he goes. What I am saying is that player quality is not the only single thing that influences transfer fee size. Age can. If Lewandowski was to leave Bayern this summer I am sure he would go for less money than Kane will leave Tottenham for. Not because of any vast difference in quality, because as players they’re quite possibly at similar sorts of level. But because Lewandowski is about five years older and is now a veteran, who is probably not only past his best but will be leaving his best further behind in the past as time moves on.

There will be other factors that influence transfer fees as well as quality and age. Among them time left on contracts, the eagerness of players to move, negotiating talent at buying and selling clubs, and judgements that inevitably to an extent will be subjective as to how good or bad a player is. And I don’t doubt there could be other factors too.

So I do agree with you that there is no longer any need to continue this.


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Bernard wrote:
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Your post 530621 confirms player quality determines transfer value. No longer any need to continue this

My post 530621 was: “I thought I asked who all these players are you consider worse than Xhaka who will move for higher fees. So why did you mention Jorghino, let alone Castagne or Brewster? How about Allan, as it’s down to him now? By the way, do you consider £20m peanuts? Because that’s the fee I’ve seen for Xhaka, a player who’s approaching 29, his contract expires in two years, and appears eager to move on. You obviously buy your peanuts from Harrods.”

I have never said that transfer fees are unrelated to player quality. It is why, assuming he leaves Tottenham this summer, that Harry Kane will be transferred for more money than someone like Maupay will leave Brighton for, if he goes. What I am saying is that player quality is not the only single thing that influences transfer fee size. Age can. If Lewandowski was to leave Bayern this summer I am sure he would go for less money than Kane will leave Tottenham for. Not because of any vast difference in quality, because as players they’re quite possibly at similar sorts of level. But because Lewandowski is about five years older and is now a veteran, who is probably not only past his best but will be leaving his best further behind in the past as time moves on.

There will be other factors that influence transfer fees as well as quality and age. Among them time left on contracts, the eagerness of players to move, negotiating talent at buying and selling clubs, and judgements that to inevitably to an extent be subjective as to how good or bad a player is. And I don’t suppose for a single minute there could be other factors.

So I do agree with you that there is no longer any need to continue this.


Your post 530621 confirms player quality determines transfer value. No longer any need to continue this

P.s you mentioned Jorginho who is also the same age as Xhaka


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My post 530621 was: “I thought I asked who all these players are you consider worse than Xhaka who will move for higher fees. So why did you mention Jorghino, let alone Castagne or Brewster? How about Allan, as it’s down to him now? By the way, do you consider £20m peanuts? Because that’s the fee I’ve seen for Xhaka, a player who’s approaching 29, his contract expires in two years, and appears eager to move on. You obviously buy your peanuts from Harrods.”

I have never said that transfer fees are unrelated to player quality. It is why, assuming he leaves Tottenham this summer, that Harry Kane will be transferred for more money than someone like Maupay will leave Brighton for, if he goes. What I am saying is that player quality is not the only single thing that influences transfer fee size. Age can. If Lewandowski was to leave Bayern this summer I am sure he would go for less money than Kane will leave Tottenham for. Not because of any vast difference in quality, because as players they’re quite possibly at similar sorts of level. But because Lewandowski is about five years older and is now a veteran, who is probably not only past his best but will be leaving his best further behind in the past as time moves on.

There will be other factors that influence transfer fees as well as quality and age. Among them time left on contracts, the eagerness of players to move, negotiating talent at buying and selling clubs, and judgements that to inevitably to an extent be subjective as to how good or bad a player is. And I don’t suppose for a single minute there could be other factors.

So I do agree with you that there is no longer any need to continue this.

Your post 530621 confirms player quality determines transfer value. No longer any need to continue this

P.s you mentioned Jorginho who is also the same age as Xhaka

Post 530621 was asking you, after not only calling Xhaka the worst Arsenal player you’ve ever seen but also saying he wouldn’t get into any of the better sides, why you were suddenly writing stuff that made me wonder if you might have considered him better than Jorghino who regularly gets into Chelsea’s side.

I have NEVER claimed player quality is the sole factor determining transfer fee size. Because it isn’t, full stop. I didn’t say it was in post 530621 or anywhere else. Because it isn’t. It is one of a number of factors.

Glad you still think there’s no need to continue this. Which makes me wonder why you did your last post unless you’re a sad obsessive determined to write the final post on any subject. For the sake of your mental stability, I hope that isn’t the case.


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Bernard wrote:
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Your post 530621 confirms player quality determines transfer value. No longer any need to continue this

P.s you mentioned Jorginho who is also the same age as Xhaka

Post 530621 was asking you, after not only calling Xhaka the worst Arsenal player you’ve ever seen but also saying he wouldn’t get into any of the better sides, why you were suddenly writing stuff that made me wonder if you might have considered him better than Jorghino who regularly gets into Chelsea’s side.

I have NEVER claimed player quality is the sole factor determining transfer fee size. Because it isn’t, full stop. I didn’t say it was in post 530621 or anywhere else. Because it isn’t. It is one of a number of factors.

Glad you still think there’s no need to continue this. Which makes me wonder why you did your last post unless you’re a sad obsessive determined to write the final post on any subject. For the sake of your mental stability, I hope that isn’t the case.

Your post 530621 confirms player quality determines transfer value. No longer any need to continue this

P.s you mentioned Jorginho who is also the same age as Xhaka


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Whats the way forward with the latest TVs ? should you pick Qled or whatever ? they have become so complex i'm out of touch with what needs consideration Need to order one for the mancave this looks decent


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https://football-italia.net/arsenal-make-correa-bid/

Never really heard of this guy.

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Wales v Switzerland ..... Xhaka playing. Interesting to see how Ramsey is nowadays.

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Awful scenes in the Denmark game. Eriksen just collapsed and the medics are on the pitch trying to resuscitate him. Hope he pulls through


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Awful scenes in the Denmark game. Eriksen just collapsed and the medics are on the pitch trying to resuscitate him. Hope he pulls through

Awful is right Rich. Don’t look good. I hope that ripple of applause at the end is a good sign. Fingers crossed for him.


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That was horrible to watch. Hope he pulls through


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Awful scenes in the Denmark game. Eriksen just collapsed and the medics are on the pitch trying to resuscitate him. Hope he pulls through

Awful is right Rich. Don’t look good. I hope that ripple of applause at the end is a good sign. Fingers crossed for him.

It's just awful. Eriksen appeared just to collapse according to reports, even showing his wife. Hoping he'll be alright. Game should be stopped immediately.

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Awful is right Rich. Don’t look good. I hope that ripple of applause at the end is a good sign. Fingers crossed for him.

It's just awful. Eriksen appeared just to collapse according to reports, even showing his wife. Hoping he'll be alright. Game should be stopped immediately.

I wasn’t watching the game so didn’t see Eriksen’s collapse as it happened. But saw what was happening when I turned over to catch the latest score. Hope he recovers. The game has been postponed.


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Seeing Eriksen reminded me of Fabrice Muamba in 2012, he had cardiac arrest with his heart stopped for 78 mins. It was the Bolton v Spurs FA Cup match. Luckily he survived.

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Bernard wrote:
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It's just awful. Eriksen appeared just to collapse according to reports, even showing his wife. Hoping he'll be alright. Game should be stopped immediately.

I wasn’t watching the game so didn’t see Eriksen’s collapse as it happened. But saw what was happening when I turned over to catch the latest score. Hope he recovers. The game has been postponed.

Thanks Bernard. Five Live said game is postponed.

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Bernard wrote:
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It's just awful. Eriksen appeared just to collapse according to reports, even showing his wife. Hoping he'll be alright. Game should be stopped immediately.

I wasn’t watching the game so didn’t see Eriksen’s collapse as it happened. But saw what was happening when I turned over to catch the latest score. Hope he recovers. The game has been postponed.

Photo circulating over here (USA) showing him conscious on the stretcher


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Photo circulating over here (USA) showing him conscious on the stretcher

Well that’s good as far as it goes. Thanks.


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Bernard wrote:
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Photo circulating over here (USA) showing him conscious on the stretcher

Well that’s good as far as it goes. Thanks.

Yes, apparently he's awake at the Copenhagen hospital. Good news that.

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BBC getting absolute pelters on the social media but I’m not sure what the broadcaster can do in those circumstances. It’s live so they have seconds to react and the inclination is to continue

Heartbreaking hope he’s ok


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Danish FA state he's awake and stable.

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BBC getting absolute pelters on the social media but I’m not sure what the broadcaster can do in those circumstances. It’s live so they have seconds to react.

Heartbreaking hope he’s ok

Wrighty was absolutely peeved about BBC coverage. Wanted them to cut back to the studio immediately.

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BBC getting absolute pelters on the social media but I’m not sure what the broadcaster can do in those circumstances. It’s live so they have seconds to react.

Heartbreaking hope he’s ok

Wrighty was absolutely peeved about BBC coverage. Wanted them to cut back to the studio immediately.

He’s right but there’s little protocol for it. I’m not sure the circumstance is something frequently expected.

That will change now and a precedent will be introduced surely


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Danish FA state he's awake and stable.

That’s a relief.


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Danish FA state he's awake and stable.

That’s a relief.


He's awake here.


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Wrighty was absolutely peeved about BBC coverage. Wanted them to cut back to the studio immediately.

He’s right but there’s little protocol for it. I’m not sure the circumstance is something frequently expected.

That will change now and a precedent will be introduced surely

It was quite a stressful situation and could've been better dealt with from BBC.

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Fantastic news that he's awake and stable. Credit to the amazing medics whose swift actions undoubtedly saved his life. True heroes.

Imagine how stressful it was for his family. Terrible.


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Danish FA state game going ahead tonight after conferring with Danish players.

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Danish FA state game going ahead tonight after conferring with Danish players.

Players back on pitch. I don’t believe this


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We dont have the resources to be spending huge amounts.
That's why nurturing these youngsters is another way to do it.
Arteta is not the man to do it.


Am I missing something ? Willock, Emile Smith Rowe and Saka all products of hale end we’re used frequently last season.

There’s highlighting a difference in opinion and then there’s just highlighting the nonsense that wanders round inside your brain mate :58big-emoticons:

Why the *%^@ do you ridicule everyone's opinion on here that doesn't agree with yours.
Whether I agree or not agree I would never stoop so low as to just ridicule or denigrate the forum members opinion .
Just grow the *%^@ up or *%^@ off.


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Thank God Eriksen seems ok


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Danish FA state game going ahead tonight after conferring with Danish players.

Players back on pitch. I don’t believe this

It's a positive as Eriksen is stable. Apparently game will pick up where it left off.
Belgium v Russia will go ahead anyway.

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Am I missing something ? Willock, Emile Smith Rowe and Saka all products of hale end we’re used frequently last season.

There’s highlighting a difference in opinion and then there’s just highlighting the nonsense that wanders round inside your brain mate :58big-emoticons:

Why the *%^@ do you ridicule everyone's opinion on here that doesn't agree with yours.
Whether I agree or not agree I would never stoop so low as to just ridicule or denigrate the forum members opinion .
Just grow the *%^@ up or *%^@ off.


A difference in opinion is brown or red with a bacon sandwich. (It’s brown btw)

Trashing our own manager for not picking young players blatantly not good enough is ridiculous and should frankly get called out.


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Zed wrote:
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Players back on pitch. I don’t believe this

It's a positive as Eriksen is stable. Apparently game will pick up where it left off.
Belgium v Russia will go ahead anyway.

Show must go on I guess


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