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Post #476001  Posted: Fri May 07, 2021 7:54 pm 
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So who thinks Arteta should start next season as Arsenal manager?

I was behind his appointment but unfortunately this season has been the worst for 30 years!
If we can get an experienced manager and back him then I think we have to. However, we all know the deeper problem is KSE are investors who dont prioritise sporting success.

I only think you can answer that question if you know what the alternative is?


Arteta may have not slept well last night, but who knows...

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Post #476002  Posted: Fri May 07, 2021 8:56 pm 
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So tonight might not have been the best night for me to make an Arsenal and Leicester comparison! :42laughter:


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Post #476003  Posted: Fri May 07, 2021 9:41 pm 
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Anybody aware of this from David Dein.


Unconfirmed: I'm hearing Gian Piero Gasperini will be leaving Atalanta in the summer.

He's a reputable and tactically nuanced. He transformed Atalanta from being relegation candidates to regulars in European competitions.

Would you take him?


Don't care focus should be 100% on Kroenke out.

No offence just don't see the point caring about managers unless they get someone like Conte or Allegri and give them a £400M budget, which is about as likely as WBA winning the title next season.

We are not Sevilla Stan so f*ck off!.

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Anybody aware of this from David Dein.


Unconfirmed: I'm hearing Gian Piero Gasperini will be leaving Atalanta in the summer.

He's a reputable and tactically nuanced. He transformed Atalanta from being relegation candidates to regulars in European competitions.

Would you take him?

Don't care focus should be 100% on Kroenke out.

No offence just don't see the point caring about managers unless they get someone like Conte or Allegri and give them a £400M budget, which is about as likely as WBA winning the title next season.

We are not Sevilla Stan so f*ck off!.

Well said Wilts. Kroenke is poison, with quite a few full stops or exclamation marks.


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So UEFA fines plus withholding some payments from European games as I understand it. Yet to see it in writing

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Post #476006  Posted: Sat May 08, 2021 2:13 am 
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We still need to do what we needed to do after Wenger left. The first step in that rebuild was being humble enough to accept that there wasn't a quick fix and that things may need to get worse initially but as long as the principles were clear, agreed then it would be better in the long term.
In Wenger's last season and in the next 2 seasons we went with quick fix options, experienced big budget signings, or free transfers on huge wages - hoping those players could lead a recovery back to the champions league. It has been totally flawed.

People compare us to Man U after Fergie left but it so vastly different because of the money available to man u to spend, they could keep throwing it at players and managers and of course eventually some of it will hit the right note.

If we are serious about getting back some respectability and challenging for top honours again then the inquest and actions need to be ruthless. Next year with no europe only requires us to have a 22 man squad maximum really. That's about 10 fewer than this season. The wage budget needs to be cut drastically, so every high earner needs to be carefully considered whether we want to build with them or we're better off selling them now if we can - that includes Aubameyang.

The only players I'm really keen to keep are Saka, Tierney, Partey, Martinelli, Smith-Rowe. Saliba needs to play next year and Balogun given chances. I wouldn't shed a tear over any of the others leaving.


I would add Gabriel to the list.

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There's a very real possibility we end up 10th at season's end. The one big thing I will fault Arteta on is who he plays. Martinelli should have been playing much more. Other players playing less.

I didn't post in on here because there would have been a wave of 'are you a nutter?' (for a few I can say 1+1=2 and that would be the same answer...lol :1laughter: ) is that I never thought Willock was as bad as most thought. I didn't think he would be a starter. But I thought he'd be useful in league cup games, weaker FA cup competition, off the bench in league games, early competition in Europa league games. He could be a squaddie. Do I think he shouldn't be sold? No, lets get the money for him that he's currently worth to Newcastle. The Geordies should have to pay for his current form and his potential and age.

One has to ask why he's Messi for the Toon right now. I've been to their forums. The fans want him bad and are worried he's going to be expensive because of his form. They love him. They respect that Arsenal always seems to have great youth players. I think a lot of Arsenal fans are very impatient. I recall early on reading and hearing how young players were brought along slowly and get experience over months.

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I would be curious to see if Rodgers would come if we approached him. Leicester are a better club, but we are a bigger club. We are losing our reputation for being patient with managers. We are looking like Sunderland when it comes to managers. So, the one thing potential managers will ask themselves is 'Will I be given time? If I'm not winning like the old Arsenal right away will get the sack? Will I even get a season?'

Or is that being hyperbolic? My guess is Rodgers would love to prove himself again with a big club.

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Post #476009  Posted: Sat May 08, 2021 6:46 am 
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If you think Arteta's the problem, what about Edu? If it's Edu, does Vinai get off? What about the players? And does any of this matter while the Kroenkes are in situ? The problem with pointing fingers around Arsenal is that there are so many targets


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Rich wrote:
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If you think Arteta's the problem, what about Edu? If it's Edu, does Vinai get off? What about the players? And does any of this matter while the Kroenkes are in situ? The problem with pointing fingers around Arsenal is that there are so many targets


Hi Rich,

Arteta picks the team, chooses the formation and tactics, makes the substitutions and has a big role in making sure that the players are motivated to produce the required performances.

I can't honestly say, bar the odd game here and there, that his management has delivered impressively in any of those areas.

Arteta talks the talk very eloquently but as far as I am concerned he has so far failed to walk the walk.


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This is a good article, fed up with Arteta and scathing towards KSE

https://7amkickoff.com/index.php/2021/0 ... gotiables/


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This is a good article, fed up with Arteta and scathing towards KSE

https://7amkickoff.com/index.php/2021/0 ... gotiables/


Agree with the opinions regards Arteta, especially the way he manages dissenting players. I thought Wenger (in his latter years) was bad for us, Arteta is worse.

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If you think Arteta's the problem, what about Edu? If it's Edu, does Vinai get off? What about the players? And does any of this matter while the Kroenkes are in situ? The problem with pointing fingers around Arsenal is that there are so many targets


Hi Rich,

Arteta picks the team, chooses the formation and tactics, makes the substitutions and has a big role in making sure that the players are motivated to produce the required performances.

I can't honestly say, bar the odd game here and there, that his management has delivered impressively in any of those areas.

Arteta talks the talk very eloquently but as far as I am concerned he has so far failed to walk the walk.

I do understand all that and agree Arteta has made mistakes, but did we not expect him to as a rookie manager.
I put the guardian quote up for context, rather than putting it up because I agree with every word, but blame for our demise can’t be laid at a single person.


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Now I’ve calmed down from the disappointment of Thursday, and having thought about what people have said, both here and elsewhere, including all the ramifications of managerial change, I think I’m in the give Arteta one more season camp. I think.

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Now I’ve calmed down from the disappointment of Thursday, and having thought about what people have said, both here and elsewhere, including all the ramifications of managerial change, I think I’m in the give Arteta one more season camp. I think.


I think it makes sense, give him till Christmas. He’s made mistakes granted but we need to restructure and wont get anywhere till this is done.

Also I just don’t believe there’s an alternative. Allegri won’t want anything to do with us and if he did isn’t his preference to play a certain system with wingbacks and 3 defenders. It means tearing everything up again system, coaches, acquiring certain types of players.

All of that said I was half expecting Arteta to be fired by now in an act of deflection from Kroenke.


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Now I’ve calmed down from the disappointment of Thursday, and having thought about what people have said, both here and elsewhere, including all the ramifications of managerial change, I think I’m in the give Arteta one more season camp. I think.


All of that said I was half expecting Arteta to be fired by now in an act of deflection from Kroenke.


The idea that KSE would seek to distance themselves as the root cause of our problems by sacking our manager is one of the main points in my thinking.

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A long time I said if we won anything it would be 'in spite of' Kroenke not 'because of'. That family may ultimately be able claim they won a lot of trophies (we're talking at least a couple decades of ownership at a minimum) and still be the worse owners in Arsenal history.

Complaining about KSE is like complaining about the weather in London. It is what it is, may as well accept it.

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All of that said I was half expecting Arteta to be fired by now in an act of deflection from Kroenke.


The idea that KSE would seek to distance themselves as the root cause of our problems by sacking our manager is one of the main points in my thinking.

I think also the lack of footballing expertise on the board may also save Arteta thinking about it.

Last time Gazidis chose Wengers replacement and at least he had an understanding of European and global football and who was respected and not in the coaching profession. Then they just went to 2nd in the previous queue when we sacked Emery.

If josh Kroenke and edu select a replacement ? Surely largely selected on reputation and availability alone. I’d be shocked at an innovative or progressive appointment and would expect a mid tier manager recently dismissed by someone else to avoid paying compensation.

In the highly likely circumstance we got Allegri or conte that would feel a bit satisfying to me but anyone else ? Not really and I’d certainly be disappointed and underwhelmed if Sarri, Benitez or potter came in.


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So, am I to understand that the rest of the season is a wash and the only thing to play for is Arteta's job?

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Spurs losing 3-1 to Leeds almost certainly ends their top 4 hopes.
Leicester shock loss last night means they could slip out of the top 4 yet again, their last 3 games are all very tough.
Chelsea and Liverpool could get 3rd and 4th. West Ham have some favourable fixtures, would be great to see them get top 4 but without significant investment in their squad the champions league will absolutely kill them next season


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Buendia has 15 goals and 15 assist this season. In my opinion he'd be a better buy for us than Ødegaard even if they were the same price. I can't see how we can get Buendia though, Norwich are coming up, have no reason to sell and his price tag is already meant to be £40m. He also mostly plays from the right side not in a No.10 position


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Sorry to yell something non football here.

Lewis Hamilton just achieved his 100th Pole position in F1 qualifying !!!!!!!!

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Back to football ...... Spurs lose, yay!!!!!!

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Really hope to have Joe Willock back and playing regularly next season. He has it in him,to develop into a very good player. Arteta needs to find a role that allows him to play his best.

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Hope Athletico Madrid beats Barca today.

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A long time I said if we won anything it would be 'in spite of' Kroenke not 'because of'. That family may ultimately be able claim they won a lot of trophies (we're talking at least a couple decades of ownership at a minimum) and still be the worse owners in Arsenal history.

Complaining about KSE is like complaining about the weather in London. It is what it is, may as well accept it.


Accept it?, that is the same as accepting the club is dead.

https://www.justarsenal.com/why-i-dont- ... eta/281513

I've said it before but I would take relegation if that is what it took to be rid of KSE.

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Your anger is completely justified. Now, how do we go about getting Kroenke out? Reasonable ways please.

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Unconfirmed: I'm hearing Gian Piero Gasperini will be leaving Atalanta in the summer.

He's a reputable and tactically nuanced. He transformed Atalanta from being relegation candidates to regulars in European competitions.

Would you take him?


Don't care focus should be 100% on Kroenke out.

No offence just don't see the point caring about managers unless they get someone like Conte or Allegri and give them a £400M budget, which is about as likely as WBA winning the title next season.

We are not Sevilla Stan so f*ck off!.

Actually, according to Atalanta's website, Gasperini is being considered by Spurs.
Allegri/Conte/Simeone would desire a hefty war chest. Kroenke doesn't or won't do that. Buys on the cheap as long as they have a good rep. Nothing against Arteta, but you know....

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A long time I said if we won anything it would be 'in spite of' Kroenke not 'because of'. That family may ultimately be able claim they won a lot of trophies (we're talking at least a couple decades of ownership at a minimum) and still be the worse owners in Arsenal history.

Complaining about KSE is like complaining about the weather in London. It is what it is, may as well accept it.


Accept it?, that is the same as accepting the club is dead.

https://www.justarsenal.com/why-i-dont- ... eta/281513

I've said it before but I would take relegation if that is what it took to be rid of KSE.

Spot on this article.

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Villa have a rough schedule for the duration. They probably won't get anything out of their remaining games. That alone will spare us. I'm not so sure we'll finish ahead of Leeds. Other than their pride, and saving Arteta's job, the players don't have anything to play for.

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Your anger is completely justified. Now, how do we go about getting Kroenke out? Reasonable ways please.
"We"? Sorry AG, the only people who can move the Kroenke family out of Arsenal are billionaires who have enough money to pay them enough to go away. Then you will simply have another billionaire to contend with, who will be just as keen as Kroenke on making money from their investment. I am afraid to say the time has long passed since we fans had any meaningful say in the club's future. The occasional protest gathering, flying of planes, interruption of matches or social media campaigns barely touch the skin of these businessmen. That is elite football now.

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European football on the horizon for us :15laughter:

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Your anger is completely justified. Now, how do we go about getting Kroenke out? Reasonable ways please.
"We"? Sorry AG, the only people who can move the Kroenke family out of Arsenal are billionaires who have enough money to pay them enough to go away. Then you will simply have another billionaire to contend with, who will be just as keen as Kroenke on making money from their investment. I am afraid to say the time has long passed since we fans had any meaningful say in the club's future. The occasional protest gathering, flying of planes, interruption of matches or social media campaigns barely touch the skin of these businessmen. That is elite football now.


Exactly my point about 'accepting' it. The only possible way for fans to have any effect is an across the board boycott and that won't happen.

Kroenke is doesn't care about not being liked. Or rather doesn't care enough to sell for reasons that he's not liked. He wasn't liked in his own hometown before he moved the team. He wasn't motivated to sell it then. Not sure why anyone would think he'd be motivated to sell Arsenal now for non financial/business reasons.

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Xhaka, Luiz and Mari all out of tomorrow’s game - as if the game matters much. Although I think a win officially relegated Fat Sam.

We need to just play those who we want to be here next season. Martinelli has to start, Balogun on the bench ahead of Nketiah of needs be. Azeez on the bench or get him in alongside Partey - why not?!


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Wilts-Gooner wrote:
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A long time I said if we won anything it would be 'in spite of' Kroenke not 'because of'. That family may ultimately be able claim they won a lot of trophies (we're talking at least a couple decades of ownership at a minimum) and still be the worse owners in Arsenal history.

Complaining about KSE is like complaining about the weather in London. It is what it is, may as well accept it.


Accept it?, that is the same as accepting the club is dead.

https://www.justarsenal.com/why-i-dont- ... eta/281513

I've said it before but I would take relegation if that is what it took to be rid of KSE.


According to Wenger they were looking for 12 not 2 million for Schwartzer so the assertions in that piece are dubious. I would never except relegation.

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Accept it?, that is the same as accepting the club is dead.

https://www.justarsenal.com/why-i-dont- ... eta/281513

I've said it before but I would take relegation if that is what it took to be rid of KSE.


According to Wenger they were looking for 12 not 2 million for Schwartzer so the assertions in that piece are dubious. I would never except relegation.

My understanding was we tried to get Schwartz when he was at Fulham. They wanted at least 10 mil and we offered 2. Then a number of years later we chased him again at Chelsea and I think we baulked at 2 mil then.

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I see Leicester are said to be close to signing Boubakary Soumare from Lille.

That is exactly the sort of talent we should be targetting........young with huge potential, a decent level of experience and well suited physically and technically to the demands of the PL.

You have to admire Leicester's approach to transfers. Signing youthful players with big upside who can fit seamlessly into their footballing philosophy and have the attributes to cope in the PL.


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Allegri comments he’s keen to return to management but said this...

“After a year out and five years at Juventus, I don't want to go back into the game and do badly. That would do my head in."

He’s not coming to Arsenal guys and I thought Artetas comments were telling seemingly saying look don’t pin this all on me we haven’t competed for 5 years.

I bet top tier managers will go running for the hills when the board discuss transfer budgets with them.


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Bayern secured their 9th title in a row yesterday


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I see Leicester are said to be close to signing Boubakary Soumare from Lille.

That is exactly the sort of talent we should be targetting........young with huge potential, a decent level of experience and well suited physically and technically to the demands of the PL.

You have to admire Leicester's approach to transfers. Signing youthful players with big upside who can fit seamlessly into their footballing philosophy and have the attributes to cope in the PL.

Exactly, he seems raw but as you say, all the physical attributes to suit the prem.
We spend £31m plus signing on fee for Willian and he’ll be worth nothing when his contract is up. Soumare would likely cost something similar in transfer fee and then maybe another £10m in wages for a similar 3 year deal. But in theory he should improve during that time not decline like Willian and would likely still be worth what we paid in 3 years time.

In some respects we’ve done some very good business and got some good young players signed up to long term deals but we’re also doing quick fix transfers that are actually quite high risk. Needs to be a clear change of strategy in the summer


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