Sorry Rich but I disagree. It’s Kroenke’s choice for Arsenal to be where they are under his ownership because every decision derives from his ownership. In my view what you’re doing is a bit like, in principle anyway, accepting the actions of one multi billionaire’s company because he drives a Toyota Yaris and his wife drives a Honda Jazz but moaning about another multi billionaire’s firm because he drives a Ferrari while his wife drives a Lamborghini. It’s their respective choices how they spend their money.

Why bring Danny Fiszman's dying wishes into it? I imagine he might have been thinking more about his family at that point than the future of a football club, and who wouldn't have done the same? Your point about Kroenke's lack of personal investment in the team stands well enough without mentioning Danny, a man who did a lot for Arsenal.

I think this is where it gets a bit tricky as even though finacially doped clubs are allowed under the rules to inject unearned billions into thir clubs, in my opinion it absolutely taints their success. Does it make Arsenal morally superior if the owner chooses to operate under a different business model? Perhaps if the owner is choosing not to dope the club for maral reasons. Could you make a case that if a football club utilises billions of ££ of unearned income thereby distorting the market and blowing most of its competitors out of the water, is this ethical in a sporting context?

Every huge company in the world would have used money, vast sums of it, to grow. Manchester City and Chelsea are now worth massively more than they were when Mansour and Abramovich took them over so long term are they not doing the same? Let’s forget firms. How about countless individuals? Me and my wife are home owners. When we pass on (hopefully decades away), our daughters will get valuable property to do whatever they want with. I have a huge fine wine collection that I’m never going to drink and is worth many, many times more than the money I invested in it to buy.

I’m sorry Bored. I genuinely respect all the views you share here whether I agree or disagree with them. But I’m not comfortable with criticism of City and Chelsea’s success under their current owners. I find it at best ‘ill thought out’, and at worst a bit hypocritical. We’d all (okay maybe not all, but I’m sure many or most) would love Kroenke to spend his own money to win Arsenal trophies.

Being dead in my view isn’t enough to save anyone, including Fiszman, from criticism. Was he thinking of his family when selling the control of Arsenal to Kroenke? I’m in no position to say he wasn’t but I think it’s debatable because I’ve little doubt that he could have got the same or more money from another buyer. My own suspicion is that on his deathbed, excluding Dein from Arsenal’s future (as he was linked to Usmanov at the time) was more important to Danny than the well being of the club after his own passing.

However I certainly do accept that while alive Fiszman did a lot of positive things for Arsenal, especially over the new ground. So there’s no argument from me on that point of yours.

For *%^@* sake

Whatever Leicester is doing, its working.

“At this moment, lying on the bed, sick and remembering all my life, I realize that all my recognition and wealth that I have is meaningless in the face of my imminent death ...... oh hang on bollocks I don’t wanna sell it to an American “

That’s precisely how it should have worked Hoy

We're a 4/1 shot for the Europa. That seems about right.

If we win, don't you think the fans will rally behind Arteta and Kroenke will be drawing even more trouble on himself if he changes managers? Do you think he cares?

If we don't win, especially if we don't win tonight, I think Arteta will be gone very soon. A pity, but patience is not in long supply as we know, and Arteta's selections haven't been helping those of us who do want to defend him.

Otherwise Hitler, Trump*, Attila the Hun, Vlad the Impaler etc. would be above criticism.

*still alive last time I checked but if he did pop off, he would certainly still warrant criticism.

Some memory you have Decaf.

What's the best guess as to who would be owner if Fiszman didn't sell?

Yep Danny Fiszman sure is in rich company with that lot eh.

Being "financially doped" has its benefits. We just have "financially doped" owners who are a bit stingy,

Atilla the Hun probably would also object to being classed with Trump (not to mention Hitler and Vlad):

"He was a man born into the world to shake the nations, the scourge of all lands, who in some way terrified all mankind by the dreadful rumors noised abroad concerning him. He was haughty in his walk, rolling his eyes hither and thither, so that the power of his proud spirit appeared in the movement of his body. He was indeed a lover of war, yet restrained in action, mighty in counsel, gracious to suppliants and lenient to those who were once received into his protection."

Indeed David a must win this time. Actually 2 years on being in another EL final is commendable if it happens.

Interesting line up. Lots of creativity in midfield

Leno, Bellerin, Holding, Mari, Xhaka, Partey, Saka, Smith Rowe, Ødegaard, Pépé, Aubameyang

Not certain who plays where in that line up

Tierney and Lacazette both make the bench

Guessing ...

Bellerin, Holding, Mari, Saka
........Partey ... Xhaka
..............Ødegaard
Smith Rowe Aubameyang ..... Pépé

We must come out firing on all cylinders. No holding back. Getting the first goal early is key. 3-0 is a likely score.

Tierney at left back, not Xhaka.

Xhaka injured in warm up! Tierney starts. Let’s hope that works out then.

It is such a rare occurrence that a player gets injured in the warm up but it seems to happen to us a disproportionate amount of times even considering how much our injury record has improved.

Ceballos suspended and Xhaka injured in warm up, I have a good feeling about this, gods are smiling on us.

Partey almost lobs Leno from 40 yards!

How’s that working out then?

Best shot from distance he’s had so far!

Shades of Lee Dixon. Lives long in the memory.

Gooner7 omitted to say ‘early’ is up to 44 minutes

Villarreal looking much too comfortable at the moment.

Bellerin has been really poor so far. Lost the ball in terrible positions on multiple occasions.

I meant 89th min

If that’s the first goal we win it! But all the fans would be dead.

Worth the cost.

I worry whenever he has the ball. He is no longer good enough. Where was he when Saka needed help earlier?

Aaaaaahhh. Post by Aubameyang. Nice effort.

Finally a threat on their goal, good effort Aubameyang.

And of course not immune from criticism just because of that!

And the goal will be from Coquellin, his gift to us.