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Post #368201  Posted: Sat May 13, 2017 12:10 pm 
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A question that has come up in my mind a few times over the years:

What on earth happened in our 2005/6 CL run?.

Didn't we get 11 clean sheets in a row?, what was different there or was it just a fluke?, I think we had Flamini at LB as Cole had just left and Senderos was playing regularly (!), even Eboue may have been involved (!!).

It just seems odd that we were so defensively organised in that competition, I just looked up our league performance which was not especially impressive, our defensive record was okay but not spectacular.

It just seems at odds with Wenger's teams post invincibles where we've typically been defensively frail, am I missing something or maybe it was just a fluke..

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It's not so much a clear out so much as A realisation

Özil and Sanchez and ox have all realised arsene is useless and will leave

Jack will need to move to get first team football.

That's 4 historically key players going. It's definitely going to be a summer of change regardless of what happens to to Arsene Wenker

Jack and Ox are not historically key. Jack because he is constantly injured and Ox due to a mix of injuries and not ever putting in a run of games where he has played consistently well. If Liverpool want to give us 25/30m for Ox, we should take it.


Jack has been ruined by injuries but was a good player but I think people won't be aware how much we'll miss ox. He can play in a variety of positions and provides energy in the midfield area. I don't think it's a good move letting him go


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A question that has come up in my mind a few times over the years:

What on earth happened in our 2005/6 CL run?.

Didn't we get 11 clean sheets in a row?, what was different there or was it just a fluke?, I think we had Flamini at LB as Cole had just left and Senderos was playing regularly (!), even Eboue may have been involved (!!).

It just seems odd that we were so defensively organised in that competition, I just looked up our league performance which was not especially impressive, our defensive record was okay but not spectacular.

It just seems at odds with Wenger's teams post invincibles where we've typically been defensively frail, am I missing something or maybe it was just a fluke..

Wasn't Martin Keown involved in coaching the defence that year?


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Post #368204  Posted: Sat May 13, 2017 12:35 pm 
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A question that has come up in my mind a few times over the years:

What on earth happened in our 2005/6 CL run?.

Didn't we get 11 clean sheets in a row?, what was different there or was it just a fluke?, I think we had Flamini at LB as Cole had just left and Senderos was playing regularly (!), even Eboue may have been involved (!!).

It just seems odd that we were so defensively organised in that competition, I just looked up our league performance which was not especially impressive, our defensive record was okay but not spectacular.

It just seems at odds with Wenger's teams post invincibles where we've typically been defensively frail, am I missing something or maybe it was just a fluke..


Martin keown was briefly involved in coaching the defence and still don't forget we had Sol too. After that season Wenger ditched keown because he was reportedly being to vocal and hands on with the players.

Cole left the pre season after the final as he was injured with pires and the rest is history.


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If Bould isn't involved in coaching the squad defensively or training then I can't imagine what his day to day job is. He's basically a version of Gunnersaurus without the green costume and happy movements.

Have you ever watched him and wenger on the bench. There's hardly any dialogue between the 2 what so ever during the game. They literally sit there looking like they are watching the movie Schindlers List instead of their own team.

He can't like Wenger

It's most peculiar, Arsenal are an absolute dictatorship it's just bizarre


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Post #368206  Posted: Sat May 13, 2017 12:59 pm 
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Obviously if City or LFC drop points its game on. I want Wenger out but I can't help cheering for The Arsenal.


Only if we beat Stoke..

City now 1-0 up.


End to end match as of this writing, City up 2-1, could end up a draw....crossed fingers.

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On another note, why haven't we seen more of Perez? These Wenger purchases where he buys them they show some promise and are hidden in the attic like an unwanted stepchild is bewildering.

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Post #368208  Posted: Sat May 13, 2017 1:07 pm 
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Let's get real chaps, Ox has had a good run and is playing some good football.

Unfortunately he has no end product and at times still looks headless. Another great squad player but not the answer to our prayers.

Would like to keep him but if a good offer comes in it might be worth considering.


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According to @lequipe Wenger will sign a 1-year contract extension & will be given huge amounts of funds to improve the squad.

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TOP GUN wrote:
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Jack and Ox are not historically key. Jack because he is constantly injured and Ox due to a mix of injuries and not ever putting in a run of games where he has played consistently well. If Liverpool want to give us 25/30m for Ox, we should take it.


Jack has been ruined by injuries but was a good player but I think people won't be aware how much we'll miss ox. He can play in a variety of positions and provides energy in the midfield area. I don't think it's a good move letting him go

Ox was exciting when we signed him but for me he was just one of those players who was promising for his age but hasn't made the progress you would expect from 18/19 to 23 years old. He is still hugely inconsistent, switches off frequently, doesn't have a great touch and frankly doesn't score enough - this season's 6 goals is his best ever. He has games or parts of games where he starts buzzing and takes players on but there isn't enough end product. If he was at another club, I doubt we would be too excited about signing him.

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Post #368211  Posted: Sat May 13, 2017 3:25 pm 

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If we lose Sanhez and the replacement is Iwobi, the team will be worse off. If Sanchez stay and we add someone like Reus, we would have a better team. Hence, players matter.

After a settling in period I think Wenger would make Reus go downhill as a player. Any difference will be marginal once Wenger has destroyed (too strong a word but I'll use it anyway) him. Players come, players go. But Arsenal's problems stay the same. What else can it be if it isn't Wenger?

Look, I accept there will be a difference if we had Messi rather than a modern day version of Jimmy Carter. But my point is that under Wenger, the difference will not be anything like as significant as it would be, or should be, under a manager who isn't a past it has-been. I therefore don't think who we buy and sell is as critical as some probably hope it is.


  
 
 
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Great game in the Bundesliga: Leipzig 4 - 5 Bayern.


  
 
 
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Bernard wrote:
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If we lose Sanhez and the replacement is Iwobi, the team will be worse off. If Sanchez stay and we add someone like Reus, we would have a better team. Hence, players matter.

Wenger will make Reus go downhill as a player. Any difference will be marginal once Wenger has destroyed (too strong a word but I'll use it anyway) him. Players come, players go. But Arsenal's problems stay the same. What else can it be if it isn't Wenger?

So true, Wenger is playing Reus in a different position every week if we had him.


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old man of hoy wrote:
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...Wenger is a control freak but no one on the board, and certainly not the owner, appears willing to bring him down a peg or do and end this abuse and misuse of power.
Reminds you of Ceaucescu a bit...

Wenger will be hoping that when his regime comes to its inevitable end, things don't go quite so badly as it did for the odious Romanian dictator.. although he might be advised to leave sooner rather than later.


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What the hell is wenger playing at ???
Ramsey and xhaka are beginning to strike up an understanding. Why disrupt that????
Against neanderthal brutes like shawcross you need pace and movement.
So he brings giroud back in at expense of welbeck.
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Post #368216  Posted: Sat May 13, 2017 3:56 pm 

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Wenger will make Reus go downhill as a player. Any difference will be marginal once Wenger has destroyed (too strong a word but I'll use it anyway) him. Players come, players go. But Arsenal's problems stay the same. What else can it be if it isn't Wenger?

Wenger will make Reus go downhill? Like Sanchez who has scored 20 league goals and having his best career season?

Yes I firmly believe he would make Reus go downhill. Ask bubblechris if Sanchez is having his best season, as I think his opinion will show it's debatable.

How many players have made the strides under Wenger we'd have hoped for? Was Koscielny the last unarguable one, because although I don't share bubblechris' opinion of him, I'm not convinced it is Sanchez? If it was Koscielny, he joined seven years ago.

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Wenger must rotate the squad. We have had a match every three days since the 7th. We have another match on the 16th. Playing the same XI will kill the FA Cup final possibly.

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So can our team of under achieving overpaid spoilt children rack up another win? I'm glad Pulis isn't the Stoke manager anymore, we've got more chance against this version. Still expecting it to get a bit spicy though, and I'm already worried about a Xhaka red card.
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Within the last week we have had two very tough matches. Home to Man Utd and away to Soton. This will mark a 3rd consecutive tough match. Combined with it being at the end of the season where legs are tired and fatigue is a factor. Team sheets are a tricky thing at this time. I am hoping there is enough team spirit and belief to see us through.

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Yes I firmly believe he would make Reus go downhill. Ask bubblechris if Sanchez is having his best season, as I think his opinion will show it's debatable.

How many players have made the strides under Wenger we'd have hoped for? Was Koscielny the last unarguable one, because although I don't share bubblechris' opinion of him, I'm not convinced it is Sanchez? If it was Koscielny, he joined seven years ago.

You obviously love the past it has-been.


But has Sanchez gone downhill?

Stop asking stupid questions and look at the stats not Bernards opinion.

Since Xmas he is no longer the same play and playing him has 24/7 has wrecked the rest of the forward line.


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According to @lequipe Wenger will sign a 1-year contract extension & will be given huge amounts of funds to improve the squad.

It's never ending
Or it could end in a year's time?

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Post #368222  Posted: Sat May 13, 2017 4:13 pm 

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But has Sanchez gone downhill?

From the exciting player we had when he first joined, maybe. I'm sure bubblechris would say he has. As I've said I don't share the opinions bubblechris has of him. But I suggest that from the player who burst onto the 'Arsenal scene' when he initially arrived, I probably would have to accept it's arguable - especially in the second half of this season.


  
 
 
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...I am hoping there is enough team spirit and belief to see us through.
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Wenger will be hoping that when his regime comes to its inevitable end, things don't go quite so badly as it did for the odious Romanian dictator.. although he might be advised to leave sooner rather than later.
We can safely say he has been 'advised'.

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What the hell is wenger playing at ???
Ramsey and xhaka are beginning to strike up an understanding. Why disrupt that????
Against neanderthal brutes like shawcross you need pace and movement.
So he brings giroud back in at expense of welbeck.
Bloody stupid.


DD I think your wrong. He had to rotate or risk more breakdowns before the FA Cup final. It's a tall team possibly one of the tallest teams AW has ever played.If Monreal and Bellerin can use the wings we could have a good maybe even a great result.


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old man of hoy wrote:
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...I am hoping there is enough team spirit and belief to see us through.
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I like the traditional yellow away kits but I must say the blue ones are nice. Sharp looking.

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According to @lequipe Wenger will sign a 1-year contract extension & will be given huge amounts of funds to improve the squad.

It's never ending
Or it could end in a year's time?

Then what's the point in offering him a year. An 8 million golden handshake

He should be fired, escorted from the premises and never allowed to return


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Stop asking stupid questions and look at the stats not Bernards opinion.

Since Xmas he is no longer the same play and playing him has 24/7 has wrecked the rest of the forward line.


I gave the stats you fool. Sanchez has now scored 20 league goals, he has never done that before.


Fool, 12 before Xmas 8 since and more important only 3 assists this year and not a single assist since Jan 31st?


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I agree we should sell the 2 of the 3 Ws.

Wilshere will forever be injury prone. This has limited his game time. Instead of growing strength to strength, he is declining. Sad for him, cause he had a really bright future.



Mate I'd gut the squad like a fish and start again. There's an opportunity to bring some cash in and rebuild. The likely departures

Sanchez 50m
Ox 30million
Jack 20 million?
Debuchy 3
Jenkinson 3
Ospina 5m

.. but I'd also sell the following

Giroud 20m times up!
Xhaka 30m I know he's been decent in the last few games but something about him just screams to me it won't work out and we need a dog baller in midfield.
El Nenny 5m. He's just a bog average player not good enough for us
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THEO !! 20m


Opportunity to boost the transfer fund and get some talent in so they can start the 2 year cycle of working out arsene has lost it and want to leave


You are selling the entire team :icon_mrgreen:

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Just saw a plane flying over the stadium with a 'Wenger - Out means out!' banner.

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You are selling the entire team :icon_mrgreen:

No he's keeping Sanogo :icon_mrgreen1:


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Goodness, so boring game

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Unsurprisingly Giroud has done nothing. Why he was picked for this type of game is beyond me.

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Giroud does it again!
A good pass from both Le Coq amnd Bellerin.

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Unsurprisingly Giroud has done nothing. Why he was picked for this type of game is beyond me.


His goal notwithstanding. :icon_mrgreen:

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Unsurprisingly Giroud has done nothing. Why he was picked for this type of game is beyond me.


His goal notwithstanding. :icon_mrgreen:


My stream is so behind, he still hasn't!!

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Yes I firmly believe he would make Reus go downhill. Ask bubblechris if Sanchez is having his best season, as I think his opinion will show it's debatable.

How many players have made the strides under Wenger we'd have hoped for? Was Koscielny the last unarguable one, because although I don't share bubblechris' opinion of him, I'm not convinced it is Sanchez? If it was Koscielny, he joined seven years ago.

You obviously love the past it has-been.

i can understand frustrations against Wenger. But some of the criticisms are just ridiculous. Like your Reus claim.


Indeed. The players aren't as good, but most depart better than they arrived.

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So frustrating that when we play Giroud when we are in good position to cross in the air we almost always cut back and try to keep the ball on the floor, often we then end up either losing the ball or back on the halfway line, I don't especially rate Giroud but ffs at least play to his strength, luckily Stoke are terrible today so we'll probably win inspite of this.

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