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Post #528961  Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 6:47 pm 
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Rich wrote:
Strikers that have cost over £65m in history
Mbappe £130m
Felix £114m
Griezmann £108m
Ronaldo £105m
Lukaku £103m
Ronaldo £85m
Higuain £81m
Lukaku £76m
Suarez £74m
Osimhen £68m
Lukaku £67m

Both hits and misses in that bunch. If we spend that much we can't afford to be one of the misses.

The forward Ousmane Dembele at £135m looks like being a complete financial hit for Barcelona. They can’t offload him and he’s sitting it out. Serves them right, as the chickens come home to roost there.

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Post #528962  Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 6:54 pm 
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The Xhaka yellow card v Leeds, 4-1, incident for time wasting. This, of course, doesn't necessarily mean he's guilty.

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Post #528963  Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 8:01 pm 
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Leicester one up!!


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Post #528964  Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 8:03 pm 
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There is a guy on twitter who does a huge amount of stat based scouting on potential Arsenal players. One of the things I like that he sometimes does if just give you the stats of various players but doesn't tell you the player. You decide who's looks like the sort of player you want.

Anyway, these are 4 Serie A strikers - in all cases the taller the bar the better that attribute is. Which striker would you want?


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Post #528965  Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 8:25 pm 
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There is a story floating around that Vlahovic has previously signed some contract with Juventus to sign with them on a free by seeing out his current contract. Not sure if true but nothing surprises me and I’m not thinking this is a done deal. Not because our club and his club haven’t worked hard to find a deal but because of this contract. Will wait and see if there is any truth in it.

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Post #528966  Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 8:29 pm 
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Rich wrote:
There is a guy on twitter who does a huge amount of stat based scouting on potential Arsenal players. One of the things I like that he sometimes does if just give you the stats of various players but doesn't tell you the player. You decide who's looks like the sort of player you want.

Anyway, these are 4 Serie A strikers - in all cases the taller the bar the better that attribute is. Which striker would you want?

Very interesting. Judging just by these stats I'd probably lean towards player D; high amount of goals, xG and xA says it's a player that makes things happen. High dispossessed stat could just mean it's a player that often tries to get past his defender - Saka gets dispossessed more than any other Arsenal player by a pretty big margin. Not very impressive pressing stats, but pressing is such a team thing, if you play for a team that doesn't focus too much on it your stats probably won't look great in that regard. Doesn't mean you can't be an effective presser in a different setup.


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Post #528967  Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 9:06 pm 
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Xhakas yellow card being investigated. Suggestion it was deliberate by the player

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football ... s-25993200


Would explain a lot


If lots of people were to suddenly bet on one player getting a yellow card and it was just coincidence, and not spot fixing, surely that player would be Granite Xhaka, who you literally called a walking Red card :laughing7:

Also as an aside at the end of the article what on earth is this all about?

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An alleged match-fixing plot also cropped up in Ghana last summer.
Inter Allies' Ghana Premier League clash with Ashanti Gold which was at the centre of the scandal.

Inter defender Hashmin Musah intentionally scored two own goals for his already-relegated side to prevent an alleged pre-arranged result involving his team.

Musah's deliberate actions went viral across social media, having come on with 12 minutes remaining as Allies trailed 5-0, and he claimed to have received praise for his teammates after the match ended 7-0.

"After the game, my technical team commended me for spoiling the bet they had staked," Musah revealed to Kumasi FM post-match.

"I promised my coach that if he allows me to play from the bench, I will spoil the bet. And after the game, my team congratulated me."


I don’t understand what I’ve just read. They all knew about the bet and it was for a 5-0 scoreline which presumably they’d enacted on the pitch but then praised one player for ruining it by scoring 2 own goals???? Eh??


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Post #528968  Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 9:10 pm 
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South Africa's trajectory in the AFCON is possibly the most ignominious of all.

They won it at the first attempt (1996). were runners up in the next tournament (1998), semi-finalists in 2000, quarterfinalists in 2002, failed to get to knockout stages in 2004, came last in their groups in both 2006 and 2008, and failed to qualify in 2010.

As a former driving instructor you will appreciate such smooth backward maneuvering :laughing7:

However they actually managed to top that in terms of wretchedness in 2012, by failing to qualify after laughably misreading the rules and playing out a draw when they needed to win. An excruciating experience. I stopped watching their televised matches after that. Life is too short.


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Post #528969  Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 9:17 pm 
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Tottenham are a couple of minutes away from losing to Leicester, who have been quite poor.


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Post #528970  Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 9:25 pm 
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Incredible, Tottenham scores two goals in added time to turn it around.


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Post #528971  Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 9:26 pm 
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Spurs late equaliser.

never mind most important thing is they have blown their extra games without overtaking us. We have a real chance of top 4 if we can keep our players fit


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*%^@ you Leicester : weak effort at the end. I hope they plummet down the table. Gutless

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Post #528973  Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 9:26 pm 
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Offs .. spoke to soon. Mental

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Post #528974  Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 9:27 pm 
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How the *%^@ did they lose that one


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Post #528975  Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 9:29 pm 
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We're not getting top 4. Bergwijn scores two goals in added time, it's just their season. They have the gods on their side.


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Post #528976  Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 9:34 pm 
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Seriously one of the worst bottle jobs I've seen. How can you be 2-1 up and then just let the opponents run right through your team to score in the 94th and 96th minute. Shocking stuff


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*%^@*** *%^@
I can't believe it.
2 1 down to win 3 2

This was a game they should have dropped points
Jammy *%^@*

As for utd second best all game but *%^@*** winning 2 0
I hate these 2 teams
Top 4 looking shaky
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Post #528978  Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 9:40 pm 
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Harvey Barnes
*%^@*** idiot
He square's it instead of shooting they win 3 1
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I expected both to drop points actually but that's how it is. Brentford should have been up minimally one nil first half, but 2 one on one chances with De Gea and they didn't score.

How Leicester lost that game I don't know. A set back but still lots of football to be played.

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Top 4 isn't going to end on a January night. Too much football to be played. We beat sperz and its forgotten.

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Post #528981  Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 9:46 pm 
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Shane that they both didn’t drop points but take solace in the fact neither really can keep this level of luck and poor performance up without being properly punished it just isn’t sustainable.

Relying on injury time winners or poor finishing from opponents just doesn’t cut it in the long run


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Post #528982  Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 9:57 pm 
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Rich wrote:
Shane that they both didn’t drop points but take solace in the fact neither really can keep this level of luck and poor performance up without being properly punished it just isn’t sustainable.

Relying on injury time winners or poor finishing from opponents just doesn’t cut it in the long run

Really hope you're right Rich.
That actually feels like a defeat for us.
Sickening seeing that cumt kane celebrating at the end


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Post #528983  Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 9:58 pm 
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We're not getting top 4. Bergwijn scores two goals in added time, it's just their season. They have the gods on their side.

It feels a bit like that.

They seem to win games they don’t deserve at all. Leaves you shaking your head.

Long way to go but the game at their place looks critical and will probably have a huge impact on where either team finishes


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Rich wrote:
Shane that they both didn’t drop points but take solace in the fact neither really can keep this level of luck and poor performance up without being properly punished it just isn’t sustainable.

Relying on injury time winners or poor finishing from opponents just doesn’t cut it in the long run


Exactly. Like one night in January is the end of the season. lol

It hurts, no doubt about that, I felt sick to my stomach, seeing dropped points from both but I'm not going to overreact as well. I'm sure both those sides felt the same about us with our form in the league.

I'd be more worried if either side completely dominated their games and seemed on another level.

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Rich wrote:
Shane that they both didn’t drop points but take solace in the fact neither really can keep this level of luck and poor performance up without being properly punished it just isn’t sustainable.

Relying on injury time winners or poor finishing from opponents just doesn’t cut it in the long run

There’s also the possibility that it happens so often, can it genuinely all be down to coincidence? Let me say I didn’t watch either game. But the regularity with which they play poorly but get a positive result could mean they have more about them than you want to accept.


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If the game had gone ahead at the weekend. Arteta out would probably be trending on Twitter right now and people would be saying all the silly stuff like “we have no style of play”


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Bernard wrote:
Rich wrote:
Shane that they both didn’t drop points but take solace in the fact neither really can keep this level of luck and poor performance up without being properly punished it just isn’t sustainable.

Relying on injury time winners or poor finishing from opponents just doesn’t cut it in the long run

There’s also the possibility that it happens so often, can it genuinely all be down to coincidence? Let me say I didn’t watch either game. But the regularity with which they play poorly but get a positive result could mean they have more about them than you want to accept.


I think your right Bernard. They aren’t the poor side many believe. Not many “names” but There’s enough talent there to cause teams problems.


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Giroud was very underrated in my opinion.
For the 12 to 14 million we bought him for he gave us fantastic service and could never understand why he was given a hard time by some of our fans.
Very good striker albeit lack of pace but excellent technique.
He would be so good for this current team.


I liked Giroud too and see Vlahovic in a very similar mould. Similar to Soc, I'd prefer a little more pace in the central striker but maybe with Saka and Martinelli on the flanks we have enough pace and having someone taller than Lacazette as the central striker gives us a heading option in the centre. DHD's point about the defences playing against Vlahovic in the highlight reels being 'ropey' is pretty fair too and he wouldn't be afforded anywhere near that much space in the PL.

I'm still not convinced Vlahovic is the right player for the long term but having read the collective wisdom on here he would at least give us more height in the midfield and the box to keep defenders like Maquire busy.


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Hazuki wrote:
Tottenham are a couple of minutes away from losing to Leicester, who have been quite poor.


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Bernard wrote:
...the regularity with which they play poorly but get a positive result could mean they have more about them than you want to accept.
Yes. Score two goals in the opening minutes and nobody calls it lucky as they do when scored at the end. The old Clough cliche of it only takes a second to score a goal should never be forgotten.

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Bernard wrote:
There’s also the possibility that it happens so often, can it genuinely all be down to coincidence? Let me say I didn’t watch either game. But the regularity with which they play poorly but get a positive result could mean they have more about them than you want to accept.


I think your right Bernard. They aren’t the poor side many believe. Not many “names” but There’s enough talent there to cause teams problems.


Thought the same when Rich mentioned they keep getting lucky. He's right in saying that luck only runs so far but it also gives them time to get their act together and do it more consistently while they've already got the 'lucky' points on the board. Same with Man Utd who are still adjusting to Rangnick and tolerating Ronaldo's childish tantrums.

On top of the NLD I expect Spurs to be even more fired up with the 'injustice' of not being able to play us when our team was severely diminished and it will a tough match.


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Score two goals in the opening minutes and nobody calls it lucky as they do when scored at the end. The old Clough cliche of it only takes a second to score a goal should never be forgotten.


I'd guess that as unworthy we are of being labled lucky, that our rise from bottom of the table to legitimate top 4 contenders were littered with 'lucky Arsenal', 'referees favor Arsenal', etc. on our way up.

I certainly heard 'lucky Arsenal' almost on a weekly basis at the pub in LA during our heyday.

It's common for fans to say this, I say this. Sometimes its painfully legitimate such as referees rarely giving Man Utd a penalty at OT in previous years (if not now...I have no idea).

If these teams were so routinely lucky we wouldn't have caught them. :1laughter:

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My use of the word ‘lucky’ in my post was more aimed at Man U as they have played genuinely poorly in every game I’ve watched them recently and should have been 3-0 down at half time.
Spurs was more about their very late winners - by all accounts they were the more dominant team against a pretty decimated Leicester team. I recall a time about 10 years ago when Arsenal scored about 4 last minute winners in consecutive games - felt amazing as a fan but you just can’t keep doing that - and we didn’t. If scoring a goal was as easy as taking off a defender and throwing on another striker teams wouldn’t just do it for the last 10 minutes. It’s chaos football that rips up any structure and formation.

That said it’s hugely frustrating to see these wins when you think it’s a good opportunity for them to drop points. Spurs still have to go away to Chelsea, Liverpool, City and Man U. Let’s see how they get on v Chelsea at Stamford Bridge at the weekend - lose that and we beat Burnley as we should then we’re back 2 points above them with them only having 1 game in hand


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The Leicester defending for the spurs winner is as bad as you’ll see. They lose the ball cheaply after their own kick off then one simple pass and Leicester have 7 men ahead of the ball, their back 3 are too high and holding a terribly staggered line, there’s no pressure on the ball. And finally and I think worst of all Schmiechel has a poor starting position and doesn’t come out to clear it, if your defence is 10 yards short of half way as a gk you need to be on the edge of the box, when the ball is played through Bergwein gets on to it and takes his first touch 5 yards outside the box. If Smcheichel’s position is correct he sweeps that through ball up in his sleep!the screenshot below shows about a second before Bergwein makes his first touch, that ball has travelled from the half way line to the edge of the box, awful awful Goalkeeping


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As I’ve said a few times, I’ve never seen Vlahovic kick a ball even on YouTube let alone telly. There’s been discussion about his alleged lack of pace. For those who have seen something of him, how does it compare to Harry Kane’s, who I’ve never seen as a speed merchant even though he’s arguably the world’s best centre forward, or at least one of them?


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In the mess that saw the first leg of our semi called off it turns out Liverpool did their tests and nearly all were negative, they then ordered more tests (which were not required) and had their infamous false positives. It seems they were desperate for some positive tests one way or another.


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Bernard wrote:
As I’ve said a few times, I’ve never seen Vlahovic kick a ball even on YouTube let alone telly. There’s been discussion about his alleged lack of pace. For those who have seen something of him, how does it compare to Harry Kane’s, who I’ve never seen as a speed merchant even though he’s arguably the world’s best centre forward, or at least one of them?

From what I’ve seen which is limited he looks like a left footed Harry Kane with fractionally more pace. One the things you rarely notice about Kane is his lack of pace because it’s compensated by his positional awareness, ability to link play and anticipation. Seems similar from what I’ve seen. He’s a van nistelrooy really by the looks of it not a wright or Henry.


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Bernard wrote:
As I’ve said a few times, I’ve never seen Vlahovic kick a ball even on YouTube let alone telly. There’s been discussion about his alleged lack of pace. For those who have seen something of him, how does it compare to Harry Kane’s, who I’ve never seen as a speed merchant even though he’s arguably the world’s best centre forward, or at least one of them?

From what I’ve seen which is limited he looks like a left footed Harry Kane with fractionally more pace. One the things you rarely notice about Kane is his lack of pace because it’s compensated by his positional awareness, ability to link play and anticipation. Seems similar from what I’ve seen. He’s a van nistelrooy really by the looks of it not a wright or Henry.

Many thanks. Being a bit like a left footed Harry Kane or another Van Nistelrooy doesn’t seem a bad starting point to me, even if he’s not another Henry or Wright.


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Seems like Liverpool really wanted the first leg to get postponed. Wonder what Jamie Carragher's take on this will be.


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Seems like Liverpool really wanted the first leg to get postponed. Wonder what Jamie Carragher's take on this will be.

Thing is I knew I had covid but had to do 4 tests to return a positive one myself. The testing process isn’t perfect


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