I'm not surprised they suffered I'm amazed anyone came out of that situation unscathed. Millions came through it and went back into society with trauma, one just can't imagine the suffering. When I was a kid there were still men suffering what was considered a weakness "shell shock". You would see them walking around with the shakes. Poor bastards, nothing done to help them. Yet we still send our young men out to battle without a thought to their mental health when they return.

That is terrible treatment of a person who fought for what we have today.

Probably the most embarrassing day for Britain I can recall

Not seen any news today. What's happened?

Football leaks - Roberto Firmino, who has a €98million exit clause which can be triggered two years ahead of the end of his contract…”IF the interested club is NOT Arsenal FC”

Trumpy Bear!

Don't know if this is of interest to any old or not so old timers. My Mum passed away last year and left some super 8 reels which we had converted. In there was some footage of Arsenal v Derby from April 1974. It was taken by my Dad.

Lovely muddy pitch, half time scoreboard, lots of Geordie Armstrong, Raddy, and a young Liam Brady paired with Alan Ball in midfield. Enjoy.

https://vimeo.com/301071378

That was great. Thanks for posting the link. The celebration for our penalty was rather muted by the players. A pitch invasion but my favourite was the flying header by one of our players to clear the ball from our area.

This ones for Kiwi. Next time you are having withdrawal symptoms because you haven’t visited Oz lately you can play this.

I was at that match ....DaveyBoy

Derby were a quality side ..... Roy McFarland , Colin Todd in defence... Archie Gemmel , Bruce Rioch pulling the strings in midfield some extended beanpole up front [ John McGovern Roger Davies can't remember ]
We were coming out of the doldrums and that was a bright spot in a mediocre season .

To put it in context Derby won the league the next year .

Bound to be something about Brexit ..... where he thinks the minute you pull out ; Russia will invade the UK .

For all the talk around Ramsey and Welbeck's contract's expiring I thikn a lot of people have forgotten than Monreal's contract is also expiring. Even at 32 he should get a new 2 year deal. Very consistent for us.

yeah thanks for that Gaz ..... I keep thinking I should thunder over visit Granty Boy get my savings out of the NAB and Sunsuper before they wither on the vine .

I've met a lot of dead balls red neck blokes in Oz but by God the times I've had over there , [ working with two of my sons along the way ] have been the most vibrant of my life .

Created memories I'd have never ever come close to if I'd stayed in NZ .

My grandfather/ grandmother bound for NZ stopped off in Oz due to birth complications with what was going to be my father .

They settled in Annandale , Sydney ... he enlisted in the Aussie forces and was sent to France . He was wounded and sent home , my auntie [ his daughter ] said he never adjusted properly after the experience .

I checked the Oz Army records for his contribution ...... first day they arrived in England he was arrested for drunken disorderly , AWOL , trespassing ....... fined two weeks wages .

Reading this I said to Mrs Kiwi .... don't blame me when I get pissed now and than ...it's a genetic thing

Enjoyed that!

I would have been as well, though I can't say I remember it. People were moaning when Puma started doing the home shirts with a brighter red as though it wasn't traditional. The shirts in that clip looked a bright red to me. I don't think it can be put down to a dodgy old film either, as that's how I recall the shirts from those days - a very bright red.

Pretty sure I was as well. Alan Ball. What a player. Has to be a shout for any all time Arsenal XI. Post double we signed him and no one else. If we'd signed a goalkeeper and centre half as good as him and Charlie hadn't hated Bertie Mee so much the mid 70s might not have been so bad. But then if my auntie had.....

I really hate international breaks. If it was for the rugger against the Blacks on Saturday it would be a sporting wasteland.

I agree about Ball. We didn't win anything whilst he was at the club. But I reckon without him we'd have been relegated in the mid-70s.

that was great........it also made me miss the North Bank

If you read Brady's autobiography (written in 1980!) he says what an unhappy squad it was, and it what a breath of fresh air it was to meet up with the Irish squad. In fact, it wasn't until his Irish call up that he realised what a happy squad was. In particular I think that maybe Alan Ball might not have been popular with the others.

That was a decent Derby side.

I don't *think* I was at the game. I was taken from birth so I don't actually remember my first game. I remember a few reserve games around 1970 as a five year old, Birmingham away in 1974 is the first live game I can really remember. It was miserable.

Make sure you tell them to dedicate "Go Your Own Way" to AmericanGooner who "borrowed" his older sister's
'Rumours' album and played that song over and over for Sue Scirozinski breaking his heart in middle school. Thanks.
PS: tell them they may want to correct the spelling of 'Rumours' to 'Rumors'

Politics for a moment. Despite reading about in the news as well as on news programs. What exactly are the issues with Theresa May's managing of Brexit?
Is the Irish border a big deal? That border or at least parts of it has been open and porous for some time, pre Brexit, right?
What else? Exactly 'how' England will exit?
Not quite sure if that's the jist of it and why she is facing a possible vote of no confidence.

If or when Wenger is installed as Milan's manager, this would seem to contradict what I thought and that was that Gazidis wasn't a fan of Wenger and that he thought Wenger had way too much power within the club.

I think it's a cry for help.

I think you're right. Being incontinent and having only American Gooner to change your nappies can't be fun.

It might be a good idea to gargle with listerine when you're done. Lord only knows where Babu's sphincter has been.

Try, Stockdale!

Waves at Kiwi.

And Granty (although I don't think he gives a *%^@)

Too true ..... this rabid half wit is going to kill this great forum .

Logging on and wading through his constant load of crap makes me think why bother .

Warrior missed his chance ; he should have banned the stupid pr**ck for that gross anal spunk message he sent to Gunfire a couple of weeks back .

Neither do I now ..... very well played Ireland ; good game plan well executed . I went out into the shed eight minutes after half time .

We were very very poor , kicked away possession , handling errors , hospital passes , Sam Whitelock putting his hand up to touch that ball , Keiran Read going for the impossible pick up and knocks on when a try is beckoning .... dive on the ball you half wit , secure possession .
We should have lost against England .
Only positive I can see is it might be a wake up call before the World Cup .

Had to do a search to find out what you were talking about.. your Review Kiwi could have been for every game that Cheika has been in charge of Australia for. The fact I was watching a sport program & they mentioned we actually won a game last night in rugby & I didn’t even know we were playing says it all. They tell me there is less than a year to another WC.

I am suddenly feeling very old. I have no interest in rugby, could not tell you any names of players in the cricket team, do not even know whether we are playing 20 or 50 over games, am sick of being told to gamble responsibly & are continually bombarded with news of American sport when I watch pay TV.

WTF has happened. Just in case you are wondering l don’t use drugs unlike some of our other posters. One of whom I intend to sadly put on the ignore list. If he reads this it is because life is too short to waste time on drivel.

I hear you Gaz ... my tastes have changed . The room to shag around and time waste in rugby as ruined it for me ... any team under pressure can get someone to flop over and give everyone a rest and the clock keeps ticking , Rolling mauls , the need to bounce the ball five hundred times before every kick off

Used to love tennis , same thing ... call for and inspect seven balls before every serve

Aussie rugby league and a decent one dayer or Twenty / Twenty in the cricket with NZ involved does it for me

Following your lead blocked the druggie ..... magic .... should have done that ages ago .

Anybody watching the Switz - Belg game. 2-0 down pretty quickly the Swiss are now 3-2 up just before halftime....................

Don’t know if any of u are interested in motor racing but if u r. Have a look at the F3 crash at Macau today

I love watching the All Blacks. They have been the best team in the world for years now. But the last month or so has been really interesting because they haven't been hammering teams. The two games against South Africa were a great watch. I thought Ireland were outstanding last night and it was highly unusual to see this New Zealand team fail to score a try. I've no doubt they will come roaring back and remain strong favourites for next year's World Cup. It's great for the game for a few teams to show that they can take your boys on.

BTW, in terms of entertainment, my 13 year old son gets much more excited about an Ireland rugby match these days than any game of football. And he has played football for the local club since hes been 7 years old but has never played rugby.

If you really want him to follow football rather than rugby show him videos of the last 10 Australian rugby tests, that will kill his interest forevermore.

Nato manages to sink one of their own frigates in 'war games' ... imagine what they could do if a few real life Russki missiles and planes were involved .

https://news.sky.com/story/us-sailor-wa ... ian-frigat

" US officer onboard role unclear"

... navigator or skipper would be my guess

To be honest Dec ....... I've been disappointed with Coach Hansen of late .... he doesn't seem to adapt . The test v South Africa in NZwas thrown away ... Beauden Barrett was having nightmare , missed two penalties from right in front and Hansen let him carry on . Damian McKenzie is a far better kicker .

Barrett continues to kick away possession ,exciting player with ball in hand but boy he makes some incredibly stupid tactical decisions at times , both our half backs did the same . That half wit Peranara nearly threw away the English test doing just that .

The way the game is played these days you don't get the ball back for ten minutes after an aimless kick

The backline should have been instructed to stand deeper not give the Poms and your lot the chance to disrupt the backline so easily

Disappointing to see them carry doing the same old same old as the ship went down .

I think the retirement of the four titans at the same time McCaw , Carter , Nonu and Conrad Smith is finally having an effect . The aura was still there initially but I think now a few cracks are appearing , Keiran Reid ; very good player but nowhere near the leader McCaw was .

plus he perserveres with Sonny Bill Williams ... who is a braindead clueless moron .

Bournemouth is going to be a tough nut to crack. It's going to be tough to leave their with any result better than a draw. Emery, Sarri and Howe have done a lot this season so far.
A fourth straight draw does us no good for a few reasons. It will be a tough match to win.