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Post #376121  Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2023 9:35 am 
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When teams double up on your wingers, as is increasingly the case now, then you need to adapt your play to counteract that. Teams know that if they can take Saka and Martinelli out of the game they can get a result.

If opponents have two players on each winger then there must be space in the middle of the park to exploit

Maybe play orthodox fullbacks who overlap, thus creating space for the wingers, and move Zinny to centre midfield (he is probably more technically gifted than our other midfielders anyway) to exploit the added space.

I think that’s it, at the moment when our wide men are doubled up on our full backs stay deeper still not making that much use of the extra man. If they overlap then you get the 2v2 in wide areas and whilst not a numerical advantage in the middle there is a lot more space.

The other way is just move the ball much quicker once you’ve drawn the two defenders out in the wide area. The opposite wide man would be in 20-25 yards of space if he’s hugging the other touchline and it moves the defence. Relatively static defences where you’re just doing 10 yard shuttle runs covering a small zone because teams are playing in front of you is pretty basic stuff. Quick switches force the entire defence to shift 25 yards to the side, much easier to find a chink in the armour and space


Hi Rich,

I noticed yesterday most of our play was evolving down the right with Saka and Ødegaard whilst Martinelli was standing all alone out on the left in acres of space. By the time we shuffled the ball across to him he was doubled up on.

What we needed was someone to hit big diagonals to switch play quickly. I am pretty sure both White and Saliba can hit those long passes.


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Post #376122  Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2023 9:36 am 
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10 home games left for us. No reason to think we can’t win them all, unlikely to but it should be the aim because we will drop points on the road.
10 home wins takes us to 80 points. Then you’re looking at maybe 4 out of 8 away wins could be good enough for the title.

If we did that City would need to take 47 points from 17 games which is 15 wins, 2 draws and zero defeats.


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Post #376123  Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2023 10:00 am 
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I won’t hold my breathe for the media outrage over Sean Dyche, kicking every ball, being out of his technical area most of the game, arguing with the 4th official, shouting all game and waving his arms around like a mad man….?

Of course there is nothing wrong with it so these pundits need to explain why they have a problem with Arteta doing it but no one else


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Post #376124  Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2023 10:13 am 
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Moyes said when Declan Rice moves it will be for a British record transfer fee. Which is either £107m for the record paid by a British team or £100m for the record paid for a British player. I don’t think it will be, Rice only has 1 year left on his deal and won’t sign a new one. No one is paying £100m+ for a guy with 12 months on his deal when they could wait for a year and get him for free. I’d say he’s going for £70m


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BREAKING NEWS: German woman claims she tried to warn US of balloon danger.

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Post #376126  Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2023 11:32 am 
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BREAKING NEWS: German woman claims she tried to warn US of balloon danger.

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Nay. Nuh.

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Post #376127  Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2023 11:59 am 
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BREAKING NEWS: German woman claims she tried to warn US of balloon danger.

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Post #376128  Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2023 1:10 pm 
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Salah has gone off the boil so much, at times he can barely control the ball. It’s part of the reason I’d never have him in the top tier of Prem greats. The very best were great every season. Think of Henry, pretty much unplayable from 10 games in to his Arsenal career until when he left


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If we are to face more of these ten man defences, doubling up on wingers then it would seem one of the obvious personnel switches would be to take of Xhaka and play either Vieira/Emile Smith Rowe/Trossard there. Players who excel in tight spaces


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You realise we will take far more stick than Liverpool or Chelsea are for being mid table


Jesus give it a rest ffs!

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Yes, it seems he only played two Tests. Still, it's quite impressive that the bloke who scored the goal against Tottenham that put Carlisle top of the league (briefly) in 1974 also played Test cricket against the West Indies in 1976.


Hey, mcq, sent you a pm....

Received! Thanks, Daz.

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Game on! Kane opens the scoring.

Am I allowed to be excited by that?

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Rich wrote:
Moyes said when Declan Rice moves it will be for a British record transfer fee. Which is either £107m for the record paid by a British team or £100m for the record paid for a British player. I don’t think it will be, Rice only has 1 year left on his deal and won’t sign a new one. No one is paying £100m+ for a guy with 12 months on his deal when they could wait for a year and get him for free. I’d say he’s going for £70m


I’ve read conflicting things about 1 year options so it might be 2 years from this summer. Either way it’ll be high enough that the negotiators will be protracted allowing every club, his dog and his wife to horn in on it. I very much remain to be convinced he’ll sign for us.


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Post #376134  Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2023 4:54 pm 
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Game on! Kane opens the scoring.

Am I allowed to be excited by that?


Let me know what soap you use afterwards and if it works…


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Not that I’m complaining this time but how do City gift Spurs so many easy goals? It’s crazy how they fall apart v spurs.


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Yeah I’m admiring Harry Kane’s use of his physicality, gonna need that soap info stat please.


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Post #376137  Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2023 5:01 pm 
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Rich wrote:
Not that I’m complaining this time but how do City gift Spurs so many easy goals? It’s crazy how they fall apart v spurs.


It’s got a very us against Everton away feel about it.


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Post #376138  Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2023 5:05 pm 
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Moyes said when Declan Rice moves it will be for a British record transfer fee. Which is either £107m for the record paid by a British team or £100m for the record paid for a British player. I don’t think it will be, Rice only has 1 year left on his deal and won’t sign a new one. No one is paying £100m+ for a guy with 12 months on his deal when they could wait for a year and get him for free. I’d say he’s going for £70m


I’ve read conflicting things about 1 year options so it might be 2 years from this summer. Either way it’ll be high enough that the negotiators will be protracted allowing every club, his dog and his wife to horn in on it. I very much remain to be convinced he’ll sign for us.


You are negotiating with David Sullivan and Karen Brady. Total spivs that will inevitably turn it into an auction regardless of contract expiry.

The only thing you can really say is that they have a duty to the player given his contribution to the club so a mudryk type situation would be less likely and united, chelsea and city seem stocked,up in that department with all recently acquiring defensive midfield players


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You realise we will take far more stick than Liverpool or Chelsea are for being mid table


Jesus give it a rest ffs!

But it’s true. How much have you seen in the media about Liverpool this year? How many difficult questions for Klopp? Plenty of people think Liverpool are borderline untouchable in the media. Compare it also to when they went head to head with City for the title - the media to a man absolutely fawning and willing them to win it. Look at the treatment Arteta has received in contrast.

Can you imagine what it would be like if we were 10th with Liverpool’s results? Any tough questions of £80m flopp Nunez? I recall when Sancho had no goal and no assists in 7 games sky sports did a whole 007 James Bond micky take of Sancho….well Cody Gakpo also has zero goals and assists in 7 games. Not a peep from anyone about how poor a signing he’s been so far…?


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Ash wrote:
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Moyes said when Declan Rice moves it will be for a British record transfer fee. Which is either £107m for the record paid by a British team or £100m for the record paid for a British player. I don’t think it will be, Rice only has 1 year left on his deal and won’t sign a new one. No one is paying £100m+ for a guy with 12 months on his deal when they could wait for a year and get him for free. I’d say he’s going for £70m


I’ve read conflicting things about 1 year options so it might be 2 years from this summer. Either way it’ll be high enough that the negotiators will be protracted allowing every club, his dog and his wife to horn in on it. I very much remain to be convinced he’ll sign for us.


I know someone that was with him a couple of nights ago and it’s a move to Chelsea he wants, so I think the £100m + fee will be a given. They also mentioned something else which would not sit well with Arteta, I think it will be the Brighton lad we pursue.

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I wonder how much cash Boehly would throw at signing Saka. Lots I’d venture to suggest.


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Ash wrote:
Rich wrote:
Not that I’m complaining this time but how do City gift Spurs so many easy goals? It’s crazy how they fall apart v spurs.


It’s got a very us against Everton away feel about it.

Holding thumbs :icon_eek1:

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Ash wrote:
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Not that I’m complaining this time but how do City gift Spurs so many easy goals? It’s crazy how they fall apart v spurs.


It’s got a very us against Everton away feel about it.

Not now it hasn’t. City have woken up. Sadly we never did. Also Tottenham have gone passive, and Everton certainly didn’t.

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Game on! Kane opens the scoring.

Am I allowed to be excited by that?

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Would be massive for us if spurs can hang on here but they are fluffing real chances to finish City off.


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Would be massive for us if spurs can hang on here but they are fluffing real chances to finish City off.

I’m watching, but trying not to think about it too hard.

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long time gooner wrote:
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Would be massive for us if spurs can hang on here but they are fluffing real chances to finish City off.

I’m watching, but trying not to think about it too hard.

Spurs have missed so many chances you feel it’s inevitable City will score in the last minute. Even a draw is a good result though


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long time gooner wrote:
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Would be massive for us if spurs can hang on here but they are fluffing real chances to finish City off.

I’m watching, but trying not to think about it too hard.

Not allowing myself to hope until the final whistle blows. Spurs have disappointed too many time in the past.

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TOP GUN wrote:
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I’m watching, but trying not to think about it too hard.

Spurs have missed so many chances you feel it’s inevitable City will score in the last minute. Even a draw is a good result though

I’m back into counting down the clock mode. Not enjoying it much.

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Enjoying it even less now with the red card.

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Here we go.


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So far so good.....


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Wow. Excellent result in the circumstances.

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Amazing how these small teams raise their game when the big boys are in town.

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Looking like a great result for us
Only downside is it narrows our comfort zone to champions league football to 11 points though we do have game in hand on spurs.
Bigger.picture though is city didn't take advantage to our result!!!!!
Still 5 points clear!!!


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Post #376156  Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2023 7:39 pm 
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City surrounding the ref so much in that game. The charge they put on us is being made to look more and more questionable every week.


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Looking like a great result for us
Only downside is it narrows our comfort zone to champions league football to 11 points though we do have game in hand on spurs.
Bigger.picture though is city didn't take advantage to our result!!!!!
Still 5 points clear!!!

11 points and 2 games in hand on spurs. Win those 2 home games in hand and even if spurs go at 2.5 points per game (all but the form of the greatest prem sides ever) then we’d only need 8 wins from our last 16 games to finish above them.

Of course stranger things have happened but I can’t see this season being a 95+ point title win despite the 50 points we reached at half way. If you gave me 90 points now I’d snap your hand off for it


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It’s got a very us against Everton away feel about it.

Holding thumbs :icon_eek1:


Is this the South African version of fingers crossed?


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Holding thumbs :icon_eek1:


Is this the South African version of fingers crossed?

Precisely. I wasn't aware that it is SA-specific. :laughing7: :laughing7: It appears to be Dutch/German idiom that has migrated into SA English.

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Decaf wrote:
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Is this the South African version of fingers crossed?

Precisely. I wasn't aware that it is SA-specific. :laughing7: :laughing7: It appears to be Dutch/German idiom that has migrated into SA English.


I love it. We used to do something like that at primary school. You’d stick your thumb between your first and second finger in a fist and say “Paxis” (we pronounced it pax-ees) and then you were safe in any game you were playing and couldn’t be caught. I can see now it probably came frm the Latin Pax meaning peace. Looking back we were 7years old or whatever and had no clue what it meant. How far back did that tradition go I wonder!!


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