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Post #557801  Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2023 8:04 am 
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Post #557802  Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2023 8:11 am 
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I don’t really buy the notion that Declan Rice is going to just rock up at our place this summer I have to say

Some divvy owner is liable to bid 150 million and kroenke and Edu will run a mile. Honestly I’ll believe that one when I see it


Totally agree TG.

Player valuations have been so skewed by Chelsea's spending that West Ham must be thinking about £120m + for Declan Rice.

Don't see it happening personally and both he and Caicedo will probably end up at Chelsea.


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Talking of Chelsea can anyone tell me if this kind of spending can go on indefinitely with payments amortised over 7 or 8 years, effectively kicking the FFP can down the road. Can they do exactly the same in the summer unless UEFA intervene?


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Post #557804  Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2023 8:20 am 
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Talking of Chelsea can anyone tell me if this kind of spending can go on indefinitely with payments amortised over 7 or 8 years, effectively kicking the FFP can down the road. Can they do exactly the same in the summer unless UEFA intervene?

UEFA are intervening

https://www.football365.com/news/opinio ... imitations

They are also bound to see some bad knock on effects surely. Players on long term deals that can’t be shifted and have to be paid off.

What if there is a wilshere type scenario and a player suffers an injury that halves his ability but is on an 8 year contract. It’s a disaster surely


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Talking of Chelsea can anyone tell me if this kind of spending can go on indefinitely with payments amortised over 7 or 8 years, effectively kicking the FFP can down the road. Can they do exactly the same in the summer unless UEFA intervene?

UEFA are intervening

https://www.football365.com/news/opinio ... imitations

They are also bound to see some bad knock on effects surely. Players on long term deals that can’t be shifted and have to be paid off.

What if there is a wilshere type scenario and a player suffers an injury that halves his ability but is on an 8 year contract. It’s a disaster surely



Too little too late if Chelsea's spending pay's off (excuse the pun). They've literally bought a brand new side in a couple of windows.

I bet Chelsea are already exploring other loopholes.

What is does do is go against the spirit of the FFP rule but then City and PSG have already found ways to circumvent it in the past.


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Post #557806  Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2023 8:35 am 
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Rich wrote:
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Turner, Tierney, Tomiyasu, Kiwior, Holding, Jorginho, Emile Smith Rowe, Trossard, Nelson, Nketiah



Looks pretty good...


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Post #557807  Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2023 8:37 am 
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Similarly Omari Hutchinson (ex Arsenal) had a late loan deal to West Brom fall through at the last minute. He better get used to loan moves because he’s got no pathway to the Chelsea 1st team


Indeed. A penny for his thoughts. If he had stayed I'm guessing he would have played as much as he has done at Chelsea and in a title challenging team.


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Post #557809  Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2023 9:06 am 
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For anyone having a meltdown over our January business, we bought 3 players and loaned out a youngster and a CM who has never convinced in the games he has played. We got vital cover across the front positions, cover at left-CB and cover for def-mid. Of course we'd have all liked Caicedo but it will have to wait. Meanwhile Man City lost their most reliable (until this season) and versatile defender because he fell out with the manager and there are rumours of more unrest in that City dressing room.. In their last game against us Stone also pulled a hamstring - so City's defence is down to Dias, Laporte, Akanji, Ake, Walker, Lewis. That is only 6 defenders and only 2 natural full-backs.

We're 5 points clear with a game in hand and we've got stronger whilst City have got weaker. Still all to do but we've done ok


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Post #557810  Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2023 9:29 am 
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socrates wrote:
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UEFA are intervening

https://www.football365.com/news/opinio ... imitations

They are also bound to see some bad knock on effects surely. Players on long term deals that can’t be shifted and have to be paid off.

What if there is a wilshere type scenario and a player suffers an injury that halves his ability but is on an 8 year contract. It’s a disaster surely



Too little too late if Chelsea's spending pay's off (excuse the pun). They've literally bought a brand new side in a couple of windows.

I bet Chelsea are already exploring other loopholes.

What is does do is go against the spirit of the FFP rule but then City and PSG have already found ways to circumvent it in the past.

The way Chelsea have mitigated it in the past is loan deals - that is reliant to some degree on the loaning club picking up the tab on the high wages - but that amortised fee is still being paid off as a negative on the accounting books each year until the player is officially no longer a chelsea player.

There is also the small matter of actually forging these players in to a winning team and having a manager good enough to do that whilst keeping all the players happy and motivated when at least maybe 6-7 of them aren;t even going to be in the match day squad each week. Also a 10 point gap to bridge and 6 teams to usurp to get in to the CL places and the money that brings


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This has caused quite a furore here.

SA tourism is suffering because of electricity and water outages, crime, etc.

So what does the government do?

Sponsor Tottenham Hotspur to the tune of R1 billion! Obviously.

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Bored wrote:
Rich wrote:
Arsenal bench options when everyone is fit
Turner, Tierney, Tomiyasu, Kiwior, Holding, Jorginho, Emile Smith Rowe, Trossard, Nelson, Nketiah



Looks pretty good...

Vieira?


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...I don't know whether Jimmy Glass or Chris Balderstone ever made it into the Top 5 in the world.
I remember Balderstone attempting Test cricket and being blown away by Michael Holding at The Oval in 1976. To be fair, he wasn't the only one.

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...I don't know whether Jimmy Glass or Chris Balderstone ever made it into the Top 5 in the world.
I remember Balderstone attempting Test cricket and being blown away by Michael Holding at The Oval in 1976. To be fair, he wasn't the only one.

Yes, it seems he only played two Tests. Still, it's quite impressive that the bloke who scored the goal against Tottenham that put Carlisle top of the league (briefly) in 1974 also played Test cricket against the West Indies in 1976.

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Yes, it seems he only played two Tests. Still, it's quite impressive that the bloke who scored the goal against Tottenham that put Carlisle top of the league (briefly) in 1974 also played Test cricket against the West Indies in 1976.
He was a fine County player and probably deserved his Test opportunity. Sad for him he had to face "Whispering Death" at his most fearsome.

At one time playing both football and cricket professionally was not at all unusual. Arsenal had several men who played first-class cricket - Dennis and Leslie Compton, Ted Drake, Andy Ducat, Wally Hardinge, Arthur Milton, Don Roper, Jim Standen, Harry Storer, Ray Swallow and Henry White. The indomitable Brian Close of Yorkshire and England was on our books as a young man, though he never made it to our first team.

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Tis might have slipped unnoticed......Leicester chair Khun Top has relieved the club of debts to parent company King Power totaling over £194m.

That is still financial doping, rack up loads of debt and have your owner wipe it out so you can start again. We've seen how Chelsea circumnavigate the FFP rules, how do Leicester do it with this one?


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As part of the deal that took Porro to Spurs, Spurs have sold 15% of their sell on rights to Marcus Edwards. No telling how much that 15% could be worth - right now it is probably £2-3m or so


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Looks pretty good...

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Chelsea can only select 3 of their January signings to be part of the Champions League squad - so 4 of the players below will have signed for Chelsea but be unable to play CL. Id say it is really 3 from 4 (Fofana, Santos and Madueke will almost certainly be left out)

David Datro Fofana
Benoit Badiashile
Andrey Santos
Joao Felix
Mykhailo Mudryk
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"Relationship between Brighton & Arsenal,has been damaged. Brighton were left irritated and perplexed after the 2nd bid as they felt Arsenal did not get the message that the player is not for sale."

Haha, is that all it takes for Brighton to get a bit touchy. They'll sell when the price is right, you can't get upset if clubs make bids for your players (who want to leave).

If only all transfers worked this way.
Club A "We'd like to buy player X, we bid £xm for him"
Club B "We don't want to sell him"
Club A "Ok, thanks for your time, see you later"


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Rich wrote:
Tis might have slipped unnoticed......Leicester chair Khun Top has relieved the club of debts to parent company King Power totaling over £194m.

That is still financial doping, rack up loads of debt and have your owner wipe it out so you can start again. We've seen how Chelsea circumnavigate the FFP rules, how do Leicester do it with this one?


Hi Rich,

Didn't Abramovich do pretty much the same thing, wrote off £1.3b in debt so Chelsea were effectively debt free.

What's the difference between an owner doing that or just giving a club a few hundred million to spend with no obligation to pay it back.

Madrid and Barca have been financial doping for years except now with the likes of City, PSG and Chelsea it has reached obscene levels. Actually City have reigned back their spending a bit in recent seasons but that's after spending a billion or so in the few years before.

European clubs are only going along with it because they can fleece english clubs for the kind of money they would never get selling within the rest of europe.

Benfica have just got £100m for a player they payed about £10m for a season ago. How mad is that.


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Benfica have just got £100m for a player they payed about £10m for a season ago. How mad is that.


Yep. Its bonkers


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Talking of Chelsea can anyone tell me if this kind of spending can go on indefinitely with payments amortised over 7 or 8 years, effectively kicking the FFP can down the road. Can they do exactly the same in the summer unless UEFA intervene?

UEFA are intervening

https://www.football365.com/news/opinio ... imitations

They are also bound to see some bad knock on effects surely. Players on long term deals that can’t be shifted and have to be paid off.

What if there is a wilshere type scenario and a player suffers an injury that halves his ability but is on an 8 year contract. It’s a disaster surely

New Chelsea owner running rampant siphoning up any player he fancies that just winks in his direction with that 'come get me look'.

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Zinchenko!

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In this window Chelsea have outspent all the clubs in the Italian, German, Spain, French leagues - combined!

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Chelsea have a fine midfielder in Fernandez, but imagine how much this magnifico would be worth today!

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Rich wrote:
"Relationship between Brighton & Arsenal,has been damaged. Brighton were left irritated and perplexed after the 2nd bid as they felt Arsenal did not get the message that the player is not for sale."

Haha, is that all it takes for Brighton to get a bit touchy. They'll sell when the price is right, you can't get upset if clubs make bids for your players (who want to leave).

If only all transfers worked this way.
Club A "We'd like to buy player X, we bid £xm for him"
Club B "We don't want to sell him"
Club A "Ok, thanks for your time, see you later"

Rich,
This bidding war between clubs smacks of a high tiered auction. Might as well just parade any players that clubs hope to get on a stage at Wembley ( a neutral ground) and let the bidding auction begin.
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Balogun has just scored a hat trick for Reims, he’s now the top scorer in the French league with 14 goals


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The balogun thing could create some difficult decisions this summer. His goals are insane you can’t ignore that. 3 strikers vying for 1 spot doesn’t work though. Who goes ? I wouldn’t like to be making that decision right now. He’s got to be given a run next season now.


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The most goals scored in the five major leagues in Europe this season so far..

1- Erling Haaland (25 goals)
2- Harry Kane (16 goals)
3- florin Balogun (14 goals)


… if your selling then you have to ask for 70 million quid. In this market no way should you ask less. Find a 22 year old with similar record.

Look at his third. No player in our squad would have scored that.

Also you have to say like Nketiah it’s madness he hasn’t had an England call and surely needs to be in the next squad.

Totally bizarre situation coming up this summer and a decision that the management won’t win any way


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The balogun thing could create some difficult decisions this summer. His goals are insane you can’t ignore that. 3 strikers vying for 1 spot doesn’t work though. Who goes ? I wouldn’t like to be making that decision right now. He’s got to be given a run next season now.

For sure.
That's why I find it ridiculous and hilarious when we are continually linked with vlahovic or encouraged by some of our fans to sign another striker.
We have Jesus, Eddie showing what a quality striker he is and Balogun top scorer in France.
Difficult decision awaiting Edu and Arteta next season as they all are going to want regular football.
You can satisfy 2 but not 3.
You're right though.
Balogun has to be given a run.


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Eddie and Folarin could be our strike force for the next 10 years but one brilliant player standing in their way
....Jesus.
I'd hate to lose any of them.
Horrible dilemma for the club but great position to be in talent wise


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The balogun thing could create some difficult decisions this summer. His goals are insane you can’t ignore that. 3 strikers vying for 1 spot doesn’t work though. Who goes ? I wouldn’t like to be making that decision right now. He’s got to be given a run next season now.

For sure.
That's why I find it ridiculous and hilarious when we are continually linked with vlahovic or encouraged by some of our fans to sign another striker.
We have Jesus, Eddie showing what a quality striker he is and Balogun top scorer in France.
Difficult decision awaiting Edu and Arteta next season as they all are going to want regular football.
You can satisfy 2 but not 3.
You're right though.
Balogun has to be given a run.

Trust me mate it’s going to be a long while till we are linked with strikers again.

Thing is Southgate needs to be quick here because Balogun qualifies to play for the US and he will need a replacement for Harry Kane in 2 years. That lad looks likelier than any to be able to do that role.

The only thing Arteta can do is start next season with all 3 and let them duke it out but the one with least minutes is bound to ask for a transfer or loan in the next window. That’s going to be really interesting but also don’t rule out some club making a huge bid for him. Strikers are in short supply


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For sure.
That's why I find it ridiculous and hilarious when we are continually linked with vlahovic or encouraged by some of our fans to sign another striker.
We have Jesus, Eddie showing what a quality striker he is and Balogun top scorer in France.
Difficult decision awaiting Edu and Arteta next season as they all are going to want regular football.
You can satisfy 2 but not 3.
You're right though.
Balogun has to be given a run.

Trust me mate it’s going to be a long while till we are linked with strikers again.

Thing is Southgate needs to be quick here because Balogun qualifies to play for the US and he will need a replacement for Harry Kane in 2 years. That lad looks likelier than any to be able to do that role.

The only thing Arteta can do is start next season with all 3 and let them duke it out but the one with least minutes is bound to ask for a transfer or loan in the next window. That’s going to be really interesting but also don’t rule out some club making a huge bid for him. Strikers are in short supply

Which 2 would you keep moving forward TG?


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For sure.
That's why I find it ridiculous and hilarious when we are continually linked with vlahovic or encouraged by some of our fans to sign another striker.
We have Jesus, Eddie showing what a quality striker he is and Balogun top scorer in France.
Difficult decision awaiting Edu and Arteta next season as they all are going to want regular football.
You can satisfy 2 but not 3.
You're right though.
Balogun has to be given a run.

Trust me mate it’s going to be a long while till we are linked with strikers again.

Thing is Southgate needs to be quick here because Balogun qualifies to play for the US and he will need a replacement for Harry Kane in 2 years. That lad looks likelier than any to be able to do that role.

The only thing Arteta can do is start next season with all 3 and let them duke it out but the one with least minutes is bound to ask for a transfer or loan in the next window. That’s going to be really interesting but also don’t rule out some club making a huge bid for him. Strikers are in short supply

Very true.
Clubs will be taking notice of his exploits in France.


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Trust me mate it’s going to be a long while till we are linked with strikers again.

Thing is Southgate needs to be quick here because Balogun qualifies to play for the US and he will need a replacement for Harry Kane in 2 years. That lad looks likelier than any to be able to do that role.

The only thing Arteta can do is start next season with all 3 and let them duke it out but the one with least minutes is bound to ask for a transfer or loan in the next window. That’s going to be really interesting but also don’t rule out some club making a huge bid for him. Strikers are in short supply

Which 2 would you keep moving forward TG?

Exceptionally hard on Nketiah but I think Balogun looks a far more rounded player with more to his game. Can hold it up and score penalty box goals so you would have to say Jesus and possibly Balogun.

However many football teams operate a social hierarchy and I could see a scenario especially if we win the league ! That Balogun would be on the outside trying to displace 2 firm members of the squad again.


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Which 2 would you keep moving forward TG?

Exceptionally hard on Nketiah but I think Balogun looks a far more rounded player with more to his game. Can hold it up and score penalty box goals so you would have to say Jesus and possibly Balogun.

However many football teams operate a social hierarchy and I could see a scenario especially if we win the league ! That Balogun would be on the outside trying to displace 2 firm members of the squad again.

I honestly can't call it.
Not many gave Eddie a chance when Jesus got injured but he has been absolutely superb and his game is definitely improving.
If Jesus was 28 29 it would be an easier decision to get big money for him and go with the 2 youngsters but Jesus is only 25.
If pushed I'd go Jesus and Balogun.....just
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Any time Arsenal sign a player and he's pictured with Arteta and Edu it makes me realise how huge Edu is, the guy must be 6ft 3 or 4 minimum!


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The most goals scored in the five major leagues in Europe this season so far..

1- Erling Haaland (25 goals)
2- Harry Kane (16 goals)
3- florin Balogun (14 goals)


… if your selling then you have to ask for 70 million quid. In this market no way should you ask less. Find a 22 year old with similar record.

Look at his third. No player in our squad would have scored that.

Also you have to say like Nketiah it’s madness he hasn’t had an England call and surely needs to be in the next squad.

Totally bizarre situation coming up this summer and a decision that the management won’t win any way

England have an prolific but aging striker - Arsenal are delivering two great strikers on a plate for England, and England could still balls it up and lose both of them to Ghana and USA


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