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dec wrote:

He suffered an injury which essentially caused him to miss a full season. That's going to skew the stats. In addition, the 1 goal in 6 is hardly representative when many of those appearances are 10 or 15 minutes as a sub. Two seasons ago when he got the run of games, he was really good and finished the season as our second highest scorer, I think. He got 10 league goals that season, something Havertz has yet to achieve. Also, I know you are trying to be objective by saying if we ignore the academy graduate piece, but that is very important. He's Arsenal through and through. He gets it. That makes a difference. He at least deserves a run and certainly ahead of the likes of Vieira.

Hi Dec, I don't disagree with this. I was just putting the other side of the argument out there. I think as fans we can sometimes inflate the ability of a player when they're out with injury. I'm sure I'm guilty of it, I bemoan the loss of Timber to his awful injury as he was our swiss army knife defender who would make us more unpredictable - but we only saw 50 minutes of him in a competitive game.

In the 21/22 season where he got 10 league goals he did start the season very well, but ended it a bit indifferent, he lost his place to Martinelli part way through the season and scored 3 goals in 3 games coming off the bench to seal or put the gloss on a convincing win. 22 starts in the league that season, he only completed 90 minutes twice after november that season
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/emile-s ... aison=2021

if we sell smith rowe how do we adapt the status quo chant ?

who replaces the smith rowe part? that alone should mean he’s unsellable

mcquilkie wrote:

I've got a Mac, so I'm not sure how that fancy tech talk of yours works for us humble Apple folk.

If you highlite some text then right click it, does a menu come up ?

If so, it might have a Bing or Google search built in ?

Firefox rules for Macs/Windows - It supports many plugins too.

Zinchenko and Jesus back. Trossard starts ahead of Martinelli.

Man for man we have a better player than Palace in all 12 positions. That’s not being arrogant, but no excuse not to win today

Rich wrote:

Hi Rich,

I realise that you were playing devils advocate to some extent and there’s no doubt that a player’s abilities are subject to exaggeration when out injured. With Emile Smith Rowe, I just think he should get more game-time. Martinelli is struggling this season, Havertz is unconvincing and Eddie doesn’t really have a great ceiling. There’s a lot more room for rotation.

Trying one touch. Good to see even if it’s not working.

Gabriel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now for his hattrick

Awful since we scored.

Good job we’re good at set pieces. We have been far from fluent but really solid at the back. Still play in fits and bursts and too slow for my liking.

2-0 at half time, we need to turn the screw second half and go and win this by 4

Gabriel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now for his hattrick

gooner7 wrote:

Gabriel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now for his hattrick

Settle down Raffles Management ... it's been credited as an own goal .

While happy to be 2 -0 up I'm a bit disappointed with our failure against such an abject side to create anything cohesive on the ground .

Author:	dec [ Sat Jan 20, 2024 10:28 am ]
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Rich wrote: dec wrote: He suffered an injury which essentially caused him to miss a full season. That's going to skew the stats. In addition, the 1 goal in 6 is hardly representative when many of those appearances are 10 or 15 minutes as a sub. Two seasons ago when he got the run of games, he was really good and finished the season as our second highest scorer, I think. He got 10 league goals that season, something Havertz has yet to achieve. Also, I know you are trying to be objective by saying if we ignore the academy graduate piece, but that is very important. He's Arsenal through and through. He gets it. That makes a difference. He at least deserves a run and certainly ahead of the likes of Vieira. Hi Dec, I don't disagree with this. I was just putting the other side of the argument out there. I think as fans we can sometimes inflate the ability of a player when they're out with injury. I'm sure I'm guilty of it, I bemoan the loss of Timber to his awful injury as he was our swiss army knife defender who would make us more unpredictable - but we only saw 50 minutes of him in a competitive game. In the 21/22 season where he got 10 league goals he did start the season very well, but ended it a bit indifferent, he lost his place to Martinelli part way through the season and scored 3 goals in 3 games coming off the bench to seal or put the gloss on a convincing win. 22 starts in the league that season, he only completed 90 minutes twice after november that season https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/emile-s ... aison=2021 Hi Rich, I realise that you were playing devils advocate to some extent and there’s no doubt that a player’s abilities are subject to exaggeration when out injured. With Emile Smith Rowe, I just think he should get more game-time. Martinelli is struggling this season, Havertz is unconvincing and Eddie doesn’t really have a great ceiling. There’s a lot more room for rotation.

Author:	TOP GUN [ Sat Jan 20, 2024 11:08 am ]
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if we sell smith rowe how do we adapt the status quo chant ? who replaces the smith rowe part? that alone should mean he’s unsellable

Author:	mcquilkie [ Sat Jan 20, 2024 11:13 am ]
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TOP GUN wrote: if we sell smith rowe how do we adapt the status quo chant ? who replaces the smith rowe part? that alone should mean he’s unsellable 'Nuno Tavares' scans quite well.

Author:	mcquilkie [ Sat Jan 20, 2024 11:16 am ]
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warrior wrote: mcquilkie wrote: I've got a Mac, so I'm not sure how that fancy tech talk of yours works for us humble Apple folk. If you highlite some text then right click it, does a menu come up ? If so, it might have a Bing or Google search built in ? Firefox rules for Macs/Windows - It supports many plugins too. Thanks for your help, Rog. It didn't quite work (possibly due to my ineptitude), but never mind.

Author:	Rich [ Sat Jan 20, 2024 11:18 am ]
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When we look at squad building we need to be mindful of the homegrown rules. Current players who qualify are: Raya, ramsdale, Saliba, White, saka, rice, Emile Smith Rowe, Martinelli, Nketiah, Nelsen Of that list of 10 there are at least 4 who have question marks on their future.

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Author:	Rich [ Sat Jan 20, 2024 11:41 am ]
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Zinchenko and Jesus back. Trossard starts ahead of Martinelli. Man for man we have a better player than Palace in all 12 positions. That’s not being arrogant, but no excuse not to win today

Author:	Decaf [ Sat Jan 20, 2024 12:27 pm ]
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Rich wrote: Zinchenko and Jesus back. Trossard starts ahead of Martinelli. Man for man we have a better player than Palace in all 12 positions. That’s not being arrogant, but no excuse not to win today Not a bad idea to hold Martinelli back.

Author:	grantyboy [ Sat Jan 20, 2024 12:30 pm ]
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Righto. Trossard for 3.

Author:	grantyboy [ Sat Jan 20, 2024 12:32 pm ]
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dec wrote: Rich wrote: Hi Dec, I don't disagree with this. I was just putting the other side of the argument out there. I think as fans we can sometimes inflate the ability of a player when they're out with injury. I'm sure I'm guilty of it, I bemoan the loss of Timber to his awful injury as he was our swiss army knife defender who would make us more unpredictable - but we only saw 50 minutes of him in a competitive game. In the 21/22 season where he got 10 league goals he did start the season very well, but ended it a bit indifferent, he lost his place to Martinelli part way through the season and scored 3 goals in 3 games coming off the bench to seal or put the gloss on a convincing win. 22 starts in the league that season, he only completed 90 minutes twice after november that season https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/emile-s ... aison=2021 Hi Rich, I realise that you were playing devils advocate to some extent and there’s no doubt that a player’s abilities are subject to exaggeration when out injured. With Emile Smith Rowe, I just think he should get more game-time. Martinelli is struggling this season, Havertz is unconvincing and Eddie doesn’t really have a great ceiling. There’s a lot more room for rotation. Smith Rowe saved Arteta due to his goals and he has no problem banging them first time with placement. If he can stay out off the sick bay he’s a great player.

Author:	grantyboy [ Sat Jan 20, 2024 12:37 pm ]
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Trying one touch. Good to see even if it’s not working.

Author:	gooner7 [ Sat Jan 20, 2024 12:41 pm ]
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Gabriel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now keep going! Don't resort to being casual.

Author:	gooner7 [ Sat Jan 20, 2024 12:42 pm ]
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grantyboy wrote: Trying one touch. Good to see even if it’s not working. agree

Author:	grantyboy [ Sat Jan 20, 2024 12:43 pm ]
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Perfect. How kill them off and don’t let off regardless of score.

Author:	Decaf [ Sat Jan 20, 2024 12:43 pm ]
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Great leap from Gabriel there. Great pass from Zinny to win the corner too. Keep the foot on the gas, please

Author:	grantyboy [ Sat Jan 20, 2024 12:48 pm ]
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Why are goalies constantly spitting on their gloves nowadays?

Author:	grantyboy [ Sat Jan 20, 2024 12:52 pm ]
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So much better. No %^@** around on the counter.

Author:	Decaf [ Sat Jan 20, 2024 1:01 pm ]
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Jesus offsides too much.

Author:	grantyboy [ Sat Jan 20, 2024 1:01 pm ]
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Clearly been told to get it forward quicker and take more risks.

Author:	Gunfire [ Sat Jan 20, 2024 1:04 pm ]
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A clear foul by Gabriel I'm surprised VAR didn't have a look at it. Anyway we'll take it. Disappointing to see Saka playing. He needs a rest.

Author:	Decaf [ Sat Jan 20, 2024 1:04 pm ]
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Awful since we scored.

Author:	warrior [ Sat Jan 20, 2024 1:08 pm ]
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2 Nil !

Author:	gooner7 [ Sat Jan 20, 2024 1:08 pm ]
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Gabriel!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now for his hattrick

Author:	grantyboy [ Sat Jan 20, 2024 1:09 pm ]
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Do not stop.

Author:	Decaf [ Sat Jan 20, 2024 1:09 pm ]
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gooner7 wrote: Gabriel!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now for his hattrick He's really got the bit between his teeth.

Author:	grantyboy [ Sat Jan 20, 2024 1:10 pm ]
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Decaf wrote: Awful since we scored. Cagey but not awful. Tactically ok.

Author:	grantyboy [ Sat Jan 20, 2024 1:14 pm ]
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Ffs I wish the crowd would stop “oooowwww” ing every time a quick ball fails. That’s exactly what’s been missing you muppets.

Author:	Rich [ Sat Jan 20, 2024 1:15 pm ]
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I’ve seen Arsenal goals ruled out by VAR for similar things that happened on both those goals.

Author:	Rich [ Sat Jan 20, 2024 1:18 pm ]
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Lots of empty seats

Author:	Rich [ Sat Jan 20, 2024 1:22 pm ]
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Good job we’re good at set pieces. We have been far from fluent but really solid at the back. Still play in fits and bursts and too slow for my liking. 2-0 at half time, we need to turn the screw second half and go and win this by 4

Author:	Gunfire [ Sat Jan 20, 2024 1:34 pm ]
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Rich wrote: Good job we’re good at set pieces. We have been far from fluent but really solid at the back. Still play in fits and bursts and too slow for my liking. 2-0 at half time, we need to turn the screw second half and go and win this by 4 Would agree. Not great but we are 2 up. A couple of goals extra would give us a lift.

Author:	kiwipete [ Sat Jan 20, 2024 1:36 pm ]
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gooner7 wrote: Gabriel!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now for his hattrick Settle down Raffles Management ... it's been credited as an own goal . While happy to be 2 -0 up I'm a bit disappointed with our failure against such an abject side to create anything cohesive on the ground .

Author:	gooner7 [ Sat Jan 20, 2024 1:39 pm ]
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Must be a penalty

Author:	gooner7 [ Sat Jan 20, 2024 1:41 pm ]
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kiwipete wrote: gooner7 wrote: Gabriel!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now for his hattrick Settle down Raffles Management ... it's been credited as an own goal . While happy to be 2 -0 up I'm a bit disappointed with our failure against such an abject side to create anything cohesive on the ground . I know, Gab will grab 2 more

Author:	grantyboy [ Sat Jan 20, 2024 1:45 pm ]
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Ffs I wish the crowd would stop “oooowwww” ing every time a quick ball fails. That’s exactly what’s been missing you muppets.