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Darren wrote:

Out scoring the invincibles and possibly bettering their points total to still not win the league says everything about how distorted the PL now is. Man City are a behemoth who have distorted the game. Liverpool only winning one title over the last few years with their points accumulation is bonkers.

We have nothing to be ashamed about. We can still do it. I don’t think we will, I haven’t ever really. But this season has been the best for many, many years. As disappointing as things may turn out let’s not lose sight of what this season has bought us.

Thats essentially my view too. In addition if we manage to add some world class quality to our midfield and maybe a plan B (tall) striker then next season this team may even improve....

On from our front 3 right now should be Martinelli, Jesus, Trossard.
Saka looks tired. Give him a rest v Southampton

Decaf wrote:

If you disagree with Soc, why don't you articulate your points instead of providing this foul potty-mouthed rant?

Because after a while it feels like you are Cassius clay trying to teach boxing to a quadriplegic for the millionth time so I’d rather not bother anymore

Absolutely gutted.
Can't believe we have started so well in both games and thrown away 2 goal leads.
Infuriating and bloody hurts.

david.d wrote:

Absolutely gutted.
Can't believe we have started so well in both games and thrown away 2 goal leads.
Infuriating and bloody hurts.

It's pretty hard to deal with, isn't it? I still can't quite wrap my head around it. The WH one in particularly was so gut wrenchingly unexpected after being 2-0 up. To be fair, we have had a few hail Mary wins this season, so it probably balances out.

I hope the players are able to take it on the chin and come out and get a confidence boosting result against Stn.

The most frustrating thing about the last two games is allowing our opponents to dictate the type of game they wanted to play rather than the one we wanted and we had in our hands.

When teams want chaotic, transition based games with lots of direct balls we have to find a way to stop the flow instead of getting drawn in to that game.

At 2-0 up we just seem to stop doing what we’ve done. It’s not just the last few games. It is a trait of ours to play really well, score then stop

I really hope its just a case of Arteta easing him in gently rather than losing faith in him but I find it worrying that Smith Rowe hasn't figured much recently off the bench.
This boy is an absolute jewel.
Sure his injuries have stagnated his progress but seems strange he hasn't been given more minutes off the bench.
Big mistake if we decide to let him go in the summer.
He is quality.
My hope is that he is earmarked as natural successor to Xhaka

Vieira totally out of it.

Gunfire wrote:

Vieira totally out of it.

too lightweight

Our defence is an absolute mess. I need a stiff one imagining Harland in there.

If you’re wondering why Southampton suddenly look so potent and fluid, that’s a team that smells blood. Our defensive solidity has gone and our weaknesses are on show, really ever since Saliba went from the team.

Author:	AmericanGooner [ Mon Apr 17, 2023 6:32 pm ]
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It will be a fantastic season. The one thing that is frustrating though is it would be one thing if we were punching way above our weight and 'lucky' and we held on in the title fight as long as we could. However, we are a d@mn good side. I really didn't appreciate just how good we are. Just like I (and many others) didn't appreciate just how good Leicester was in '17. Their main players that won them the title have become stars elsewhere on big sides. So, for me the frustration is we can and should have done better. It's an opportunity I don't think will come up again soon. I think there will be at least 3 or 4 clubs including Arsenal who can win the title next season with City being the lead.

Author:	Rich [ Mon Apr 17, 2023 7:21 pm ]
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Carragher just did a piece saying Arsenal aren’t bottling it, if anything it’s the opposite and we got too complacent in the last two games. His reasoning for not bottling it is you don’t come out and play as we did for the first 30 in both games if you’re nervous etc. I think most opinions on Arsenal from people outside Arsenal right now are almost certainly too extreme in one direction or the other - as is the case with most pundits on tv, they don’t want to come to the boring conclusion - but there is certainly more credibility to Carragher’s complacent view than the alternative bottling it view. Essentially for us to win it everyone expected us to be 100% perfect in virtually every game and definitely every game in a 15 game run in. We haven’t been yet, we’ve still got a good chance, but that expectation on a team and manager so young and with a couple of key injuries now and big injuries through the season is completely unrealistic

Author:	Rich [ Mon Apr 17, 2023 9:41 pm ]
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I look at Spurs this year and I’m staggered that they are 5th. I think they play badly far more often than they play well. We were 5th last year with 69 points, they’d need 16 points from 7 games to match that. Moreover I just think we were a much better team last year than they are this year. We lost some bad games but won lots of games we dominated. Go back through spurs results this season and a surprising number of their wins have been very fortunate when they were largely dominated by their opponents.

Author:	AmericanGooner [ Tue Apr 18, 2023 5:47 am ]
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Haven't noticed we are likely going to have a Manchester derby FA cup final.

Author:	Rich [ Tue Apr 18, 2023 6:36 am ]
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On from our front 3 right now should be Martinelli, Jesus, Trossard. Saka looks tired. Give him a rest v Southampton

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Author:	Rich [ Tue Apr 18, 2023 8:50 am ]
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Bored wrote: Darren wrote: Out scoring the invincibles and possibly bettering their points total to still not win the league says everything about how distorted the PL now is. Man City are a behemoth who have distorted the game. Liverpool only winning one title over the last few years with their points accumulation is bonkers. We have nothing to be ashamed about. We can still do it. I don’t think we will, I haven’t ever really. But this season has been the best for many, many years. As disappointing as things may turn out let’s not lose sight of what this season has bought us. Thats essentially my view too. In addition if we manage to add some world class quality to our midfield and maybe a plan B (tall) striker then next season this team may even improve.... I can;t see any reason why this team wouldn't improve next year (injuries permitting) I can't think of any essential player that might be sold and we'll certainly look to strengthen. The squad is incredibly young and so you'd think they will naturally progress again just as so many of them have come on since last year. Players likely to be sold or moved on: Mari, Tavares, Pépé, Nelson, AMN, Cédric, Trusty. There is probably £30-35m to squeeze out of those First team players many might want to keep but I think are at risk of being sold if we're being ruthless: Lokonga, Holding, Tierney, Emile Smith Rowe, Nketiah, Balogun - of course I don't think we'll sell all those but some may be sacrificed to fund other purchases. I think Arteta will go strong for defensive positions again. A right sided CB to take Holding's place and a defensive midfielder. This is where Arteta started his rebuild and I think he'll see in the games we've struggled in its seen problems progressing the ball from the back. Zinchenko injured, Saliba injured and Partey off form really rips the heart of of the ball progressing abilities of the team. I like Tierney but compare his on ball stats from the West Ham game to what Zinchenko does on average each week and he's nowhere near the player for the way we want to play. Vieira is one that really needs to step up next year.

Author:	Rich [ Tue Apr 18, 2023 9:36 am ]
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How has VAR not ruled out Liverpool's goal last night for handball by Trent Alexander-Arnold in the build up, that is as clear as day to me. It seems every single week now we're having decisions missed on the pitch (not ideal but it happens) and then not picked up by VAR. I get that Howard Webb has talked about the high bar for interventions by VAR, but if that handball doesn't meet that threshold then we're all doomed!

Author:	Rich [ Tue Apr 18, 2023 11:19 am ]
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Michael Oliver has been assigned for the Man City v Arsenal match. To be fair that is the right appointment. Oliver and Taylor are the best two refs in the league, not immune to a mistake but they've shown themselves in my view to be the best over a number of years and able to handle to big games. * I reserve my right to call Oliver all sorts of things if he screws us!*

Author:	Zed [ Tue Apr 18, 2023 5:25 pm ]
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Ah those rumours swirling again. Arteta possibly considering a move to Real Madird if Ancelotti leaves for parts unknown. Ancelotti has to deliver a CL win this season, as RM plan to lure Arteta to replace him. So far just rumours.

Author:	Bored [ Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:40 pm ]
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https://www.theguardian.com/football/vi ... tegy-video Thiago Silva says that they had to make the dressing room at Chelsea bigger because of all the players theyve signed!

Author:	Decaf [ Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:53 pm ]
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Rich wrote: On from our front 3 right now should be Martinelli, Jesus, Trossard. Saka looks tired. Give him a rest v Southampton For sure. Although in his defense, he has generally started games very well. He and Martinelli do a lot of work and its not surprising that the they can be less effective later on.

Author:	Decaf [ Wed Apr 19, 2023 6:02 pm ]
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TOP GUN wrote: Decaf wrote: If you disagree with Soc, why don't you articulate your points instead of providing this foul potty-mouthed rant? Because after a while it feels like you are Cassius clay trying to teach boxing to a quadriplegic for the millionth time so I’d rather not bother anymore That makes a lot of sense! If you imagine you are like Clay, then no wonder you have so little regard for other's opinions.

Author:	Decaf [ Wed Apr 19, 2023 6:04 pm ]
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david.d wrote: Absolutely gutted. Can't believe we have started so well in both games and thrown away 2 goal leads. Infuriating and bloody hurts. It's pretty hard to deal with, isn't it? I still can't quite wrap my head around it. The WH one in particularly was so gut wrenchingly unexpected after being 2-0 up. To be fair, we have had a few hail Mary wins this season, so it probably balances out. I hope the players are able to take it on the chin and come out and get a confidence boosting result against Stn.

Author:	david.d [ Wed Apr 19, 2023 6:31 pm ]
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I really hope its just a case of Arteta easing him in gently rather than losing faith in him but I find it worrying that Smith Rowe hasn't figured much recently off the bench. This boy is an absolute jewel. Sure his injuries have stagnated his progress but seems strange he hasn't been given more minutes off the bench. Big mistake if we decide to let him go in the summer. He is quality. My hope is that he is earmarked as natural successor to Xhaka

Author:	AmericanGooner [ Thu Apr 20, 2023 4:21 am ]
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This is sad to read. I can see the criticism of the players but my guess is the mascot will cherish the moment forever and she wasn't unhappy afterwards. It's almost impossible to maintain a smile signing tens or hundreds of signatures. I've seen in LA, at stadiums, many people, won't even say fans, pretty much demand a signature on a shirt so they can put it up on eBay. That happens a lot. They form a gauntlet with trainers, etc so they can sell LeBron signed basketball shoes for a few hundred or a few thousand dollars. You become cynical as a player sometimes about it. Not excusing keeping a solemn face while signing something for a smiling kid. To me, if the kid is happy, then that's that. https://www.givemesport.com/arsenal-mas ... ral-video/

Author:	gooner7 [ Fri Apr 21, 2023 7:01 pm ]
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Another dumb mistake Gives Ston a chance to defend like crazy now

Author:	david.d [ Wed Apr 19, 2023 6:32 pm ]
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Decaf wrote: david.d wrote: Absolutely gutted. Can't believe we have started so well in both games and thrown away 2 goal leads. Infuriating and bloody hurts. It's pretty hard to deal with, isn't it? I still can't quite wrap my head around it. The WH one in particularly was so gut wrenchingly unexpected after being 2-0 up. To be fair, we have had a few hail Mary wins this season, so it probably balances out. I hope the players are able to take it on the chin and come out and get a confidence boosting result against Stn. Let's hope so Decaf. Nice big win to boost that goal difference !

Author:	Decaf [ Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:05 pm ]
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Rich wrote: The most frustrating thing about the last two games is allowing our opponents to dictate the type of game they wanted to play rather than the one we wanted and we had in our hands. When teams want chaotic, transition based games with lots of direct balls we have to find a way to stop the flow instead of getting drawn in to that game. At 2-0 up we just seem to stop doing what we’ve done. It’s not just the last few games. It is a trait of ours to play really well, score then stop That is exactly right. And it is absolutely not the plan It is just very hard to keep the same intensity, and our game requires intensity and precision. We don't really have plan B when it isn't working and we've been drawn into a brawl, other than just hoping we hang on or get the next goal and take the wind out of the opposition sales. The fact that we've done just this so often speaks volumes about how nuggety this team is.

Author:	Gunfire [ Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:40 pm ]
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Shocking penalty decision in the Bayern match. Really poor.

Author:	TOP GUN [ Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:43 pm ]
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david.d wrote: I really hope its just a case of Arteta easing him in gently rather than losing faith in him but I find it worrying that Smith Rowe hasn't figured much recently off the bench. This boy is an absolute jewel. Sure his injuries have stagnated his progress but seems strange he hasn't been given more minutes off the bench. Big mistake if we decide to let him go in the summer. He is quality. My hope is that he is earmarked as natural successor to Xhaka I love Emile and he’s an absolutely great player but I’ve said repeatedly my fear is like Tierney he isn’t really suited to our system. Going forward he’s fantastic but he doesn’t seem to posses any defensive type awareness meaning that he is probably better suited to a side where he’s the attacking Hail Mary of a 3 rather than 1 holding and 2 type pivots the way we play. I don’t think we will sell him yet but next season will be a make or break year for him

Author:	Parkerknoll Gooner [ Wed Apr 19, 2023 8:45 pm ]
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Nathan Ake off with a hamstring injury, could be interesting.

Author:	TOP GUN [ Fri Apr 21, 2023 12:22 pm ]
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Goes without saying if we *%^@ this one it’s all over

Author:	AmericanGooner [ Fri Apr 21, 2023 4:28 pm ]
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I honestly find it difficult to think we will get a result at City with Holding or a half fit Saliba. We will face an onslaught as they feel they have to win. For that kind of game we need our best XI and best 2 or 3 subs. Is it possible to get a result? Sure. We have it in us, but its certainly not going to be easy. I'm fine with us going forward but its the back line that keeps me up at night. We were not at full strength in the league loss. Nketiah led the line and he filled in brilliantly while Jesus was given his youth and lack of big game experience. We had no Jesus and no Partey. That's too much of a hole in the squad even if you are home vs City. In the cup game we had no Jesus and Saliba and we started Vieira, Tierney and Tomiyasu away to City. It was 'only' 1-0 which isn't a bad result. To be fair, City didn't start their best XI but their bench could get top 4 in the league possibly. I think things will be different. The issue is CB. We get that sorted and we can get a draw at least. Then who knows.

Author:	bubblechris [ Fri Apr 21, 2023 6:39 pm ]
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I'd rather Trossard replaced Xhaka than Vieira.............

Author:	bubblechris [ Fri Apr 21, 2023 7:03 pm ]
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very usefull huh.................

Author:	Decaf [ Fri Apr 21, 2023 7:10 pm ]
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Author:	Ash [ Fri Apr 21, 2023 7:13 pm ]
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At least we can’t throw away a 2-0 lead..

Author:	Gunfire [ Fri Apr 21, 2023 7:13 pm ]
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Vieira totally out of it.

Author:	Lincoln gooner [ Fri Apr 21, 2023 7:15 pm ]
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Walcott.

Author:	gooner7 [ Fri Apr 21, 2023 7:16 pm ]
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Gunfire wrote: Vieira totally out of it. too lightweight

Author:	gooner7 [ Fri Apr 21, 2023 7:21 pm ]
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Martinelli !!!!!!!!!! Come on now, get the goals going

Author:	Decaf [ Fri Apr 21, 2023 7:22 pm ]
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Nice! If we can avoid conceding again ( ) I reckon we'll get a couple more. Touch wood.

Author:	Decaf [ Fri Apr 21, 2023 7:26 pm ]
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God. Why are we coughing up so many chances these days?

Author:	Gunfire [ Fri Apr 21, 2023 7:27 pm ]
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Our defence is an absolute mess. I need a stiff one imagining Harland in there.

Author:	Decaf [ Fri Apr 21, 2023 7:28 pm ]
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gooner7 wrote: Gunfire wrote: Vieira totally out of it. too lightweight Wasn't it Ødegaard that lost it in midfield?

Author:	Ash [ Fri Apr 21, 2023 7:29 pm ]
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If you’re wondering why Southampton suddenly look so potent and fluid, that’s a team that smells blood. Our defensive solidity has gone and our weaknesses are on show, really ever since Saliba went from the team.