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Author:  Darren [ Thu May 18, 2023 1:39 pm ]
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TOP GUN wrote:
Rich wrote:
I often used to debate with Man U fans which was the greater achievement, the unbeaten season or the treble. One thing I used to say is which will be done again soonest in England? We might be about to find out this season

As much as I hate to admit it I would swap the invincibles season for a treble.

Actually I think I would swap it for just 1 champions league.

City are going to stroll that final. They are becoming tiresome

City are already 23 unbeaten. They will eventually beat the 49 games on this current trajectory. They also stand a more than decent chance of going unbeaten at some point. Only once they have made a total mockery of the so called competitiveness of the PL will people even start to have the conversation at the higher levels. It's F1 now. Utd get Qatar in all probability, Newcastle have the Saudi money. What's the point? We knew this but I think we've only really felt it so acutely as we've found ourselves on the receiving end this season. Liverpool fans were saying this a while back and we just laughed at them etc. It's such b%*&s%*^, it really is.

Author:  TOP GUN [ Thu May 18, 2023 2:34 pm ]
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Darren wrote:
TOP GUN wrote:
As much as I hate to admit it I would swap the invincibles season for a treble.

Actually I think I would swap it for just 1 champions league.

City are going to stroll that final. They are becoming tiresome

City are already 23 unbeaten. They will eventually beat the 49 games on this current trajectory. They also stand a more than decent chance of going unbeaten at some point. Only once they have made a total mockery of the so called competitiveness of the PL will people even start to have the conversation at the higher levels. It's F1 now. Utd get Qatar in all probability, Newcastle have the Saudi money. What's the point? We knew this but I think we've only really felt it so acutely as we've found ourselves on the receiving end this season. Liverpool fans were saying this a while back and we just laughed at them etc. It's such b%*&s%*^, it really is.


It’s just absurd now. They spent 500 million more than every other team except united in the last 10 years. They’ve won the last 5 league cups before this season because they have a Huge squad.

I think you are right you have an invincible season on the horizon too. At that point really the realisation of what happened will set in.

Author:  TOP GUN [ Thu May 18, 2023 2:51 pm ]
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They’ve disputed all charges now

https://www.londonworld.com/sport/footb ... ks-4148358

Author:  Rich [ Thu May 18, 2023 3:08 pm ]
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I'm always amazed how those who defend City use examples of other teams spending lots of money. They use the 'but what about when Man U dominated the league and were the richest club' - or 'We've spent less than club X/Y in the last 3-4 seasons.'

How can they fail to see the difference between Man U legally cashing in on merchandise, sponsorship, huge stadium, the success of the team to grow a global brand that made them the richest club in the world and able to afford these expensive players - through gritted teeth all through their excellent on and off field work. They still had to work within the realms of reality of not being able to spend more than they earned.

People also focus far too heavily on transfers in and out to judge how much a team spends. We spend over £100m less per season on wages than City. Haaland transfer fee used in those figures is £52m, but the reality is the guy is paid £900k per week, his agent got £25m and his dad got £25m, all in the transfer is a £250-300m commitment. City have been able to spend millions on the stadium, training facility, feeder clubs and all other things that actually fall outside the FFP rules which gives them a massive advantage to attract the best talent as well.

Author:  Rich [ Thu May 18, 2023 3:24 pm ]
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TOP GUN wrote:

City defence is that the lawyer is an Arsenal fan, maybe we should choose the same line of attack and ask why so many referees are from greater manchester

Author:  Rich [ Thu May 18, 2023 3:26 pm ]
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Saka and Ødegaard nominated for player of the season

Saka, Ødegaard and Martinelli nominated for Young player of the season

Haaland also nominated for both so should win both then

Arteta nominated for manager of the season

Never understood how some players who are simply not young get on the young player of the year list - Ødegaard is 24

Author:  TOP GUN [ Thu May 18, 2023 4:09 pm ]
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Rambo signs a new contract

More “faffing around” next season :14laughter:

Author:  Rich [ Thu May 18, 2023 4:19 pm ]
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Ramsdale has signed a new contract to take him to 2028 with the option of a further year

Author:  Rich [ Thu May 18, 2023 4:22 pm ]
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TOP GUN wrote:
Rambo signs a new contract

More “faffing around” next season :14laughter:

https://twitter.com/Arsenal/status/1659 ... 86914?s=20

Author:  Rich [ Thu May 18, 2023 4:27 pm ]
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Contracts expiring next year are:
Saka, Saliba, Jorginho, Xhaka, Elneny, Holding - The club have Saka deal all but done, working on Saliba, Jorginho and Elneny will be allow to run to the end and I expect Xhaka and Holding sold

Contracts expiring in 2025
Ødegaard, Partey, Ramsdale, Tomiyasu, Turner. Ramsdale is just done, Ødegaard next to be done. The others will have 2 years left on their deal this summer so decisions need to be made one way or another.

Everyone else has at least 3 years or more left on their deals this summer.

Secure the best talent, move on players who still have value if they're not good enough, too old or their time with us is done.

Look at the age of the squad - Partey and Xhaka are the only older players in the starting 11 so make a big push this summer to replace them (Rice + Caicedo)

It all sounds pretty much like the club have a clear plan

Author:  Pete on the beach [ Thu May 18, 2023 5:52 pm ]
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TOP GUN wrote:
Gunfire wrote:

Alex Ferguson is on record as saying the unbeaten season was the stand out achievement of the Premier League era.

Well that’s very humble of him but I was in Paris in 2006 for that final and I bet many of the fans who went and are still haunted by that loss would swap it in a heartbeat. Unfortunately the champions league is the pinnacle of all club football achievement. We really haven’t made much of a dent in that competition either. It’s really the elephant in the room for Arsenal really as we have a fine domestic record really.


Not just the CL , our European record in all competitions is very poor and needs addressing , lost too many finals

Author:  Zed [ Thu May 18, 2023 5:55 pm ]
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dec wrote:
Zed wrote:
My, my, can't make it up.
No Toney shouldn't have done what he did, yet the timing of his 8 month ban is circumstially timed just prior to City's final May 28 game against Brenford. Possible icing on the cake last game to win the title if it's not already done against Chelsea. After all, Toney is an Arse target in the sumner. Just might scupper transfer options. Very interesting this.

I think you need to take off the tinfoil hat, Zed.

Dec, supposing it ain't over till the fat lady sings is now a misnomer at best.

Author:  TOP GUN [ Thu May 18, 2023 6:08 pm ]
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Pete on the beach wrote:
TOP GUN wrote:
Well that’s very humble of him but I was in Paris in 2006 for that final and I bet many of the fans who went and are still haunted by that loss would swap it in a heartbeat. Unfortunately the champions league is the pinnacle of all club football achievement. We really haven’t made much of a dent in that competition either. It’s really the elephant in the room for Arsenal really as we have a fine domestic record really.


Not just the CL , our European record in all competitions is very poor and needs addressing , lost too many finals

Absolutely. Feels we are cursed in europe

Author:  john1 [ Thu May 18, 2023 6:30 pm ]
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socrates wrote:
City are undeniably a fantastic team but maybe the media should stop with the superlatives until the outcome of the 100+ FFP charges levied against them.

They may well be innocent and exonerated, in which case the PL are going to look like a right bunch of plonkers for even thinking the charges would stick. If they are guilty of mass FFP rule breaks then their legacy will be forever tainted by the fact that they cheated to get where they are and they should be stripped of titles and kicked out of the league.


Absolutely spot on Soc.

Author:  john1 [ Thu May 18, 2023 6:33 pm ]
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Darren wrote:
TOP GUN wrote:
As much as I hate to admit it I would swap the invincibles season for a treble.

Actually I think I would swap it for just 1 champions league.

City are going to stroll that final. They are becoming tiresome

City are already 23 unbeaten. They will eventually beat the 49 games on this current trajectory. They also stand a more than decent chance of going unbeaten at some point. Only once they have made a total mockery of the so called competitiveness of the PL will people even start to have the conversation at the higher levels. It's F1 now. Utd get Qatar in all probability, Newcastle have the Saudi money. What's the point? We knew this but I think we've only really felt it so acutely as we've found ourselves on the receiving end this season. Liverpool fans were saying this a while back and we just laughed at them etc. It's such b%*&s%*^, it really is.


I’m coming round to that way of thinking Darren. Money has spoilt the game.

What, exactly, is the point of trying angainst oil or any other money,
any more?

Author:  Rich [ Thu May 18, 2023 6:50 pm ]
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If Arsenal signed 8 new players and put them all on £200k a week and sold absolutely nobody we’d have a wage bill that matched Man City’s

To match Man U’s annual wage bill we could sign 13 players on £200k per week.

Shows what a chasm there is. We’re far closer to the wage bill of the teams fighting relegation than the likes of City and Man U. It also shows how well we’ve done to get that wage bill under control and the reason we can now offer such improved nee terms and contracts to so many players

Author:  Rich [ Thu May 18, 2023 6:51 pm ]
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Caicedo just did a foul throw. It’s the final piece of the jigsaw to convince me he’s going to be our player this summer!

Author:  AmericanGooner [ Thu May 18, 2023 7:23 pm ]
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Chelsea pushed us in 2004 and won in 2005 and 2006 because of Roman's money. City's titles and every single trophy is because of their money.

That's a fact, but what actually angers me is the media ignores this when talking about how good these teams are and how well they have done. I assume its not in their best interest for eyes and clicks. I recall at the pub in LA when I said to the Chelsea fans they bought the league. Two responses "Everyone buys the league" and "You still have to win the games (no matter how much money you spend)"

I don't begrudge Man Utd and Liverpool's success because they were self financed. As rich as the Glazers are they put the club in debt and from what I hear from their support, pay themselves a dividend to line their pockets when most clubs don't do that. Liverpool spent the money from big sales wisely. That's football. You make money on the success you already achieve....organically.

Chelsea, Man City, now Newcastle its not organic. It's buying success that wasn't first achieved on the pitch. If the money didn't come from success on the pitch, I don't respect it.

Author:  Rich [ Thu May 18, 2023 7:43 pm ]
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Feels like there are a lot of outgoings this summer: I've put what I think we can realistically expect for them in brackets
Mari £6m), Cédric (£0), Tavares (£10m), AMN (£0), Nelson (£0), Pépé (£0), Trusty (£7m), Runnarson £0) Patino (£7m) Holding (£8m) and Xhaka (£13m). That would be £48m but only 1 and a bit of those contributed anything to this season

I've put Pépé at £0 because I can't see many teams affording his undoubted high way so may be one we need to shift. Ideally we'd get £10-15m but after years of hoping we get more for our unwanted players the reality is we won't.

I expect Tierney to leave (£30m+), I also think Balogan will go (£30m+) The price depends on who you're selling to. For these two I'd hope we can drive a harder bargain because we're don't need to sell them.

If we could raise £100m+ from sales and inject £200m from our budget we could be in for a very interesting summer

Author:  TOP GUN [ Thu May 18, 2023 7:48 pm ]
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Rich wrote:
Feels like there are a lot of outgoings this summer: I've put what I think we can realistically expect for them in brackets
Mari £6m), Cédric (£0), Tavares (£10m), AMN (£0), Nelson (£0), Pépé (£0), Trusty (£7m), Runnarson £0) Patino (£7m) Holding (£8m) and Xhaka (£13m). That would be £48m but only 1 and a bit of those contributed anything to this season

I've put Pépé at £0 because I can't see many teams affording his undoubted high way so may be one we need to shift. Ideally we'd get £10-15m but after years of hoping we get more for our unwanted players the reality is we won't.

I expect Tierney to leave (£30m+), I also think Balogan will go (£30m+) The price depends on who you're selling to. For these two I'd hope we can drive a harder bargain because we're don't need to sell them.

If we could raise £100m+ from sales and inject £200m from our budget we could be in for a very interesting summer


No way will we get 7 million for Patino. Off the back of a very mediocre season on loan. No chance

Honestly if we got more than 4 million for holding I would be shocked too but you’ll get a fee for Pépé but not anywhere near 72 million though.

I think we might see Nuno back at our place next year though.

Author:  TOP GUN [ Thu May 18, 2023 7:51 pm ]
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The one you haven’t listed is lokonga who I think we might cash in and I wouldn’t be shocked at all if we did something like loan vieira back to Porto or a French club

Author:  gooner7 [ Fri May 19, 2023 12:38 am ]
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TOP GUN wrote:
The one you haven’t listed is lokonga who I think we might cash in and I wouldn’t be shocked at all if we did something like loan vieira back to Porto or a French club


I fear that Vieira will be Arteta's achilles heel
Loan him out or sell him off, he is not good enough if Arsenal wants to challenge strongly in the EPL and ECL

Author:  TOP GUN [ Fri May 19, 2023 6:42 am ]
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Saw a podcast excerpt with John Barnes and Simon Jordan.

Barnes made a decent point about city which is that to play their system you have to have the best players. It doesn’t work if you have 2 or 3 inconsistent ones as everything falls apart so that pep isn’t a manager that would function well in the lower divisions. I have to say I agree with him and think it also applies to us right now. We essentially play a very similar if not identical set up to them. I think if we suffer the absence of 1 or 2 players it hurts us as the tactical set up kind of falls apart and is so visible. Even swapping out Xhaka for vieira is catastrophic as it requires such a blend of abilities and strengths to play the system. City kind of smoulder their opposition and if you give them a lead it just becomes impossible because they don’t commit players forward. They are actually quite a defensive side that scores lots of goals if that makes sense.

I think you will see more incoming signings that specifically are for the set up. Maybe 2 specialist midfielders and a right back or player that can cover 2 defensive positions. I think we’d need a striker but I don’t expect to see one coming in

Author:  Bored [ Fri May 19, 2023 7:08 am ]
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I cant believe we will get both but it would be a huge statement to get both Duckling Rice and Moises Canciedo. Given how our defence has started leaking goals it would probably go some way to fixing that while providing dynamism and grit to our midfield.

Author:  Rich [ Fri May 19, 2023 7:31 am ]
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For all the talk of the games which lost us the title, if you take out the two games v City then the records vs the other 18 teams in the league are virtually identical. If we both win our remaining games then City have been 1 point better against 'the rest' of the league

So for every point Arsenal frustratingly dropped against southampton, everton, west ham and liverpool, Man City have all but the same amount of points dropped against the likes of Forest, Everton, Villa, Spurs, Liverpool.

The games that really decided the title was the 6 points up for grabs in the games between the two sides

Author:  Bored [ Fri May 19, 2023 7:37 am ]
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Rich wrote:
For all the talk of the games which lost us the title, if you take out the two games v City then the records vs the other 18 teams in the league are virtually identical. If we both win our remaining games then City have been 1 point better against 'the rest' of the league

So for every point Arsenal frustratingly dropped against southampton, everton, west ham and liverpool, Man City have all but the same amount of points dropped against the likes of Forest, Everton, Villa, Spurs, Liverpool.

The games that really decided the title was the 6 points up for grabs in the games between the two sides


Thats an interesting point....

Author:  Rich [ Fri May 19, 2023 7:39 am ]
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TOP GUN wrote:
The one you haven’t listed is lokonga who I think we might cash in and I wouldn’t be shocked at all if we did something like loan vieira back to Porto or a French club

Yep, probably agree with both of those. Now we're at the top end and have a desire to stay there I think the plan needs to shift and there has to be a ruthlessness. Moving on Lokonga and Vieira (even if just a loan for now) is an admission that they were poor signings at the time so reflects badly on Edu and Arteta - but if you get a better player in it is soon forgotten.
I always felt that loyalty was one of Wenger's strengths but also one of his biggest weaknesses, it was like he didn't want to admit he got a signing wrong and as long as they were still at the club he was not technically proven wrong because they 'might' come good

Author:  Rich [ Fri May 19, 2023 7:44 am ]
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TOP GUN wrote:
Rich wrote:
Feels like there are a lot of outgoings this summer: I've put what I think we can realistically expect for them in brackets
Mari £6m), Cédric (£0), Tavares (£10m), AMN (£0), Nelson (£0), Pépé (£0), Trusty (£7m), Runnarson £0) Patino (£7m) Holding (£8m) and Xhaka (£13m). That would be £48m but only 1 and a bit of those contributed anything to this season

I've put Pépé at £0 because I can't see many teams affording his undoubted high way so may be one we need to shift. Ideally we'd get £10-15m but after years of hoping we get more for our unwanted players the reality is we won't.

I expect Tierney to leave (£30m+), I also think Balogan will go (£30m+) The price depends on who you're selling to. For these two I'd hope we can drive a harder bargain because we're don't need to sell them.

If we could raise £100m+ from sales and inject £200m from our budget we could be in for a very interesting summer


No way will we get 7 million for Patino. Off the back of a very mediocre season on loan. No chance

Honestly if we got more than 4 million for holding I would be shocked too but you’ll get a fee for Pépé but not anywhere near 72 million though.

I think we might see Nuno back at our place next year though.

From what I've read about Patino there are a lot of interested parties, he technically still has 2 years left on his deal so why should we sell for a rock bottom price if we don't want to. The price may come down if we include a buy-back or sell-on clause but I've seen figures of £10m+ from some fairly respected journalists. I know City's youth set up is elite but they sold Bazunu and Lavia for £14m and £12m each and I doubt anyone had heard of them before they moved to Saints.

I think Nuno did enough to earn enough interest in France, now is the right time to sell him, he doesn't fit the way Arteta wants to play - far too loose on the ball.
Holding, we'll see. One thing that helps now is most players aren't on unattainable wages so it opens up the market a bit more. I can imagine a promoted club who think they'll sit deep and counter or play 5 at the back seeing Holding as a good signing

Author:  Bored [ Fri May 19, 2023 7:53 am ]
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As has been widely acknowledged, the atmosphere over the past 2 seasons has really cranked up at Arsenal. Even at the Brighton match where I actually thought the atmosphere had finally waned, the singing on the North Bank concourse before the match started was reminiscent of a cup final. A lot of this is down to having a likeable, title challenging team, and probably a slighter younger fan base since covid. Much credit has also gone to the Ashburton Army, who sit behind the goal in the clock end and sing non stop in every match. By my estimates there can only be a 100 or so of them, but given the level of support they provide, I really hope the club can facillitate giving them more tickets. Interestingly, the group found themselves in a spot of bother as the club/police took issue with their usage of antisemtic terms for Sperz on a social media site, which is why they boycotted the Chelsea home match.

Author:  Decaf [ Fri May 19, 2023 8:04 am ]
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TOP GUN wrote:
Saw a podcast excerpt with John Barnes and Simon Jordan.

Barnes made a decent point about city which is that to play their system you have to have the best players. It doesn’t work if you have 2 or 3 inconsistent ones as everything falls apart so that pep isn’t a manager that would function well in the lower divisions. I have to say I agree with him and think it also applies to us right now. We essentially play a very similar if not identical set up to them. I think if we suffer the absence of 1 or 2 players it hurts us as the tactical set up kind of falls apart and is so visible. Even swapping out Xhaka for vieira is catastrophic as it requires such a blend of abilities and strengths to play the system. City kind of smoulder their opposition and if you give them a lead it just becomes impossible because they don’t commit players forward. They are actually quite a defensive side that scores lots of goals if that makes sense.

I think you will see more incoming signings that specifically are for the set up. Maybe 2 specialist midfielders and a right back or player that can cover 2 defensive positions. I think we’d need a striker but I don’t expect to see one coming in

That's a really good point. I noticed it in the WC. You have to have 11 players who are comfortable with playing out from the back for it to work. If the keeper or one of the defender is not comfortable with it, it doesn't work and you are better off reverting to more old-fashioned methods.

It doesn't always manifest as the uncomfortable player making the mistakes. A keeper who is wobbly or a CB who is a bit slow or prone to lapses in concentration sends a tremor of uncertainly though the whole team.

Author:  TOP GUN [ Fri May 19, 2023 9:00 am ]
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Decaf wrote:
TOP GUN wrote:
Saw a podcast excerpt with John Barnes and Simon Jordan.

Barnes made a decent point about city which is that to play their system you have to have the best players. It doesn’t work if you have 2 or 3 inconsistent ones as everything falls apart so that pep isn’t a manager that would function well in the lower divisions. I have to say I agree with him and think it also applies to us right now. We essentially play a very similar if not identical set up to them. I think if we suffer the absence of 1 or 2 players it hurts us as the tactical set up kind of falls apart and is so visible. Even swapping out Xhaka for vieira is catastrophic as it requires such a blend of abilities and strengths to play the system. City kind of smoulder their opposition and if you give them a lead it just becomes impossible because they don’t commit players forward. They are actually quite a defensive side that scores lots of goals if that makes sense.

I think you will see more incoming signings that specifically are for the set up. Maybe 2 specialist midfielders and a right back or player that can cover 2 defensive positions. I think we’d need a striker but I don’t expect to see one coming in

That's a really good point. I noticed it in the WC. You have to have 11 players who are comfortable with playing out from the back for it to work. If the keeper or one of the defender is not comfortable with it, it doesn't work and you are better off reverting to more old-fashioned methods.

It doesn't always manifest as the uncomfortable player making the mistakes. A keeper who is wobbly or a CB who is a bit slow or prone to lapses in concentration sends a tremor of uncertainly though the whole team.


I think the best example of it recently was xhaka running back to make that blocking tackle in the penalty area that prevented a goal. If you swap him out for vieira or Emile Smith Rowe then they wouldn’t have made the tackle. The whole system requires players of the intelligence to understand the system requires them to cover their teammates at times and that it’s essentially a system. When we score the system scores not the player. Arsenals historical problem is we often have good players but squad depth is weak. It’s ok for city to play a system when they have 60 million pound players on the bench but we don’t have that. I really think this is where everything came apart this season.

Author:  Decaf [ Fri May 19, 2023 9:01 am ]
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Bored wrote:
I cant believe we will get both but it would be a huge statement to get both Duckling Rice and Moises Canciedo. Given how our defence has started leaking goals it would probably go some way to fixing that while providing dynamism and grit to our midfield.

And we hope the ugly duckling will become a swan!

Author:  Rich [ Fri May 19, 2023 9:37 am ]
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We've done ok with injuries this season, we of course remember the bad ones for Jesus, Saliba, Tomiyasu but players like Gabriel, White, Saka, Ødegaard, Xhaka all with a complete clean bill of health all season.

But look at Man City's injury list, non-existant. And far from the narrative that City have 22 senior pro's - they don't, they have the smallest senior squad of the big 6. They have very flexible players who play in multiple positions and the quality of players from 12th down in the pecking order far exceeds other big 6 clubs - but they have been ridiculously lucky with injuries.

Signing robust players is huge, Declan Rice as far as I can see has only missed one game through injury in his career. Caicedo has only missed 1 game through injury in all his time at Brighton

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Author:  Pete on the beach [ Fri May 19, 2023 9:37 am ]
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Bored wrote:
As has been widely acknowledged, the atmosphere over the past 2 seasons has really cranked up at Arsenal. Even at the Brighton match where I actually thought the atmosphere had finally waned, the singing on the North Bank concourse before the match started was reminiscent of a cup final. A lot of this is down to having a likeable, title challenging team, and probably a slighter younger fan base since covid. Much credit has also gone to the Ashburton Army, who sit behind the goal in the clock end and sing non stop in every match. By my estimates there can only be a 100 or so of them, but given the level of support they provide, I really hope the club can facillitate giving them more tickets. Interestingly, the group found themselves in a spot of bother as the club/police took issue with their usage of antisemtic terms for Sperz on a social media site, which is why they boycotted the Chelsea home match.


The anti semetic stuff was back from 2019 when the group was run by different people the story was a rehash , the boycott at Chelsea was to do with police hassle in stadium with being filmed

Read this for more info and context https://shewore.com/2023/05/16/ashburto ... interview/

Author:  Rich [ Fri May 19, 2023 11:07 am ]
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There is a bit of a twitter spat going on between Gary Neville and Arsenal fans. Neville seems to think Arsenal fans are annoyed he said we wouldn't win the title and is basking in the joy of being right. From what I've seen no Arsenal fan is criticising him for that prediction, most Arsenal fans didn't think we'd win it - and it hardly took a genius to expect Man City to reel in the 5 point lead when they had to play us twice and we had the tougher run in.

What Arsenal fans are annoyed with Neville is the fact he was totally wrong in his prediction that we'd be outside the top 4, that even half way through the season that Man U would comfortably finish above us, that there are no leaders in the Arsenal team (some may still debate that but you don't do what we've done with 'no leaders')....and also going back that he thought our summer business of Ramsdale, Ødegaard, White, Tomiyasu was terrible, he couldn't see the direction or strategy of the club and finally said last season that if Arteta finished 4th he should leave as it was the peak of anything he could achieve at Arsenal.

So getting 1 obvious prediction right vs countless others very very wrong.

Neville then does that childish thing where he has no reasoned properly analysed comeback to the criticism where he just laughs and pretends he's triggered up the Arsenal fans. You say something silly, you're quickly proven wrong and instead of admitting you were wrong you just go on how people replying to you are too precious, triggered or you've managed to get a rise from them. Engage in the debate, admit you were wrong and don't move the goal-posts to suit your narrative.

Author:  AmericanGooner [ Fri May 19, 2023 12:31 pm ]
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Maybe I remember it differently but I thought I saw City to the back to the pitch cheering thing years ago? Maybe 2010 is a 'long time ago' but I thought it was way before 2010.

Google said this:

Manchester City F.C. supporters
The Poznan'​​ It first started on 21 October 2010 in a game against Lech Poznań in the Europa League

Author:  mcquilkie [ Fri May 19, 2023 12:36 pm ]
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Rich wrote:
You say something silly, you're quickly proven wrong and instead of admitting you were wrong you just go on how people replying to you are too precious, triggered or you've managed to get a rise from them.

Fortunately, there's no-one on this forum who ever acts like that.

Author:  Darren [ Fri May 19, 2023 1:17 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Supporters Forum

It was started by the Poznan fans years before City did it, American. They've just nicked it.

Author:  Darren [ Fri May 19, 2023 1:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Supporters Forum

mcquilkie wrote:
Rich wrote:
You say something silly, you're quickly proven wrong and instead of admitting you were wrong you just go on how people replying to you are too precious, triggered or you've managed to get a rise from them.

Fortunately, there's no-one on this forum who ever acts like that.

Not since Daz left, anyway.

Author:  mcquilkie [ Fri May 19, 2023 2:04 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Supporters Forum

Darren wrote:
mcquilkie wrote:
Fortunately, there's no-one on this forum who ever acts like that.

Not since Daz left, anyway.

True! Daz was the worst. Frequently guilty of sophistry as well.

His Cannericks were quite good, though.

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