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Author:  socrates [ Wed Jul 20, 2022 7:30 am ]
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dec wrote:
We have strengthened our defence with Saliba coming in and with Zinchenko being a huge upgrade on Tavares. The goalkeeping position is weaker with Leno's departure.

This time last season we had 3 strikers in Aubameyang, Lacazette and Nketiah. Now have two in Jesus and Nketiah. We could throw in Balogun but he is totally unproven.

The midfield is much the same, unless Vieira replaces Xhaka, which would be a surprise.

We might be marginally stronger than last year overall because of the better quality in defence, but the central midfield still looks a problem and we are too light at centre forward.


Hi Dec,

Neketiak looks a different player from a year ago. Stronger, fitter, better at running with the ball and with his hold-up play and, crucially, more confident.

Balogun looks like he's going on loan so I agree that we are light of a striker, in particular a plan B type of striker who give us something different from both Nketiah and Jesus.

I also think a topclass central midfield signing is imperative because we all know Partey is going to break down at various points in the season.

Author:  dec [ Wed Jul 20, 2022 7:51 am ]
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socrates wrote:
dec wrote:
We have strengthened our defence with Saliba coming in and with Zinchenko being a huge upgrade on Tavares. The goalkeeping position is weaker with Leno's departure.

This time last season we had 3 strikers in Aubameyang, Lacazette and Nketiah. Now have two in Jesus and Nketiah. We could throw in Balogun but he is totally unproven.

The midfield is much the same, unless Vieira replaces Xhaka, which would be a surprise.

We might be marginally stronger than last year overall because of the better quality in defence, but the central midfield still looks a problem and we are too light at centre forward.


Hi Dec,

Neketiak looks a different player from a year ago. Stronger, fitter, better at running with the ball and with his hold-up play and, crucially, more confident.

Balogun looks like he's going on loan so I agree that we are light of a striker, in particular a plan B type of striker who give us something different from both Nketiah and Jesus.

I also think a topclass central midfield signing is imperative because we all know Partey is going to break down at various points in the season.

Hi Soc,

I'm afraid I'm not convinced by Nketiah yet. The jury is very much still out for me. I'd have no issue at all with him as a squad player. If Jesus gets injured, not long-term but say just a couple of weeks, Nketiah starts all of those games and is Balogun then the game-changer on the bench? There are 5 subs allowed this season. I think we are very light there.

As for midfield, I completely agree. It was a priority last summer and it still is. To be honest, Partey hasn't been a great signing. Some really good games, lots of injuries and plenty of ordinary games. He needs to improve considerably and we need another strong midfielder in there.

Author:  Bernard [ Wed Jul 20, 2022 8:20 am ]
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Rich wrote:
CM is the biggest priority right now for me. The most irreplaceable player in the team right now is Partey, because he has such a specific role in the team I think we would need to change the structure of the team quite fundamentally if he's not there. I can't think of any other ;layer in the squad like that.

It’s certainly going to be interesting to see what happens with strengthening central midfield. We left Bissouma to Tottenham and Tielemans is the other option constantly being discussed. But there was talk of him being available for as little as £25m. Even if that was an underestimate and it’s £30m, still nothing has happened and the season starts in a little over two and a half weeks.

Can we be sure it is going to be Tielemans? If it is, why isn’t he on board yet as time is slipping by rapidly until the 5th August. Is it impossible that Arteta simply doesn’t fancy him? I don’t know the answer but perhaps he doesn’t. If that is the case, my guess would be someone else is being lined up because considering Tierney’s injury record, I think it’s realistic to suggest many of Zinchenko’s games might be at left back. Who knows who the non-Bissouma and non-Tielemans option might be?

There are two other feasible alternatives. Changing our style of play to not use two deeper midfielders (as I call them) with Vieira becoming a regular starter alongside Partey or Xhaka. That looks the least likely option to me, unless we’re playing a very weak side. The other is that Arteta is happy with Partey and Xhaka and doesn’t consider another as big a priority as you Rich. Back ups might be Zinchenko when Tierney isn’t injured or even Maitland-Niles.

I don’t know what’s going to happen with the midfield. But other than the possibilities I’ve outlined above, I’m struggling to think of anything else.

Author:  Darren [ Wed Jul 20, 2022 8:33 am ]
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Bernard wrote:
I don’t know what’s going to happen with the midfield. But other than the possibilities I’ve outlined above, I’m struggling to think of anything else.
I think we now need to sell before we can buy. Once we've shifted a couple I think we're going to bring in a forward and a midfielder. not necessarily a centre forward but a wide player who can play across the line. They seem to be the kind of players we're being linked with.

Author:  TOP GUN [ Wed Jul 20, 2022 8:40 am ]
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See the club have been talking up Odegaards leadership credentials over the last few days in the press obviously in the lead up to him being announced as captain.

Does it not seem a bit daft I mean everyone knows he’s going to be captain. You don’t need some concerted PR Campaign to justify why you have made a big decision. He’s the right candidate it’s decided move on, bang.

They’ll probably create some wanky video. It’s like they’ve created a public agenda to announce the blatantly obvious

Author:  Bernard [ Wed Jul 20, 2022 8:44 am ]
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dec wrote:
Hi Soc,

I'm afraid I'm not convinced by Nketiah yet. The jury is very much still out for me. I'd have no issue at all with him as a squad player. If Jesus gets injured, not long-term but say just a couple of weeks, Nketiah starts all of those games and is Balogun then the game-changer on the bench? There are 5 subs allowed this season. I think we are very light there.

As for midfield, I completely agree. It was a priority last summer and it still is. To be honest, Partey hasn't been a great signing. Some really good games, lots of injuries and plenty of ordinary games. He needs to improve considerably and we need another strong midfielder in there.

I’m agreeing with you lots over the last day dec. Personally, I too wouldn’t be confident about Nketiah playing lots of games. As I pointed out last night, the ultra favourable impression of him now is largely based on a smallish run of games towards the end of last season. Prior to that there were loads of big doubts about him. In my view he still has it all to prove.

I also agree about Partey. To be honest I was expecting better. His first season was pretty damn average and Partey himself said he’d give himself only 4/10 for his first season at Arsenal. He improved and was much better last season. He had some excellent matches but there were also a number of distinctly ordinary performances. Where this notion that he’s outstanding came from I don’t honestly know.

Author:  Bernard [ Wed Jul 20, 2022 8:49 am ]
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Darren wrote:
Bernard wrote:
I don’t know what’s going to happen with the midfield. But other than the possibilities I’ve outlined above, I’m struggling to think of anything else.
I think we now need to sell before we can buy. Once we've shifted a couple I think we're going to bring in a forward and a midfielder. not necessarily a centre forward but a wide player who can play across the line. They seem to be the kind of players we're being linked with.

If that’s the case don’t you think Zinchenko will be announced anytime soon?

Author:  Hazuki [ Wed Jul 20, 2022 9:31 am ]
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Bernard wrote:
I think you raise some important points here dec. At the beginning of last season with Aubameyang, Lacazette and Nketiah, I bet more people thought we were stronger up front than they do this season with Jesus, Nketiah and Balogun. Of course last season Aubameyang fell out of favour very quickly and Lacazette showed what a mixed bag he is with generally poor finishing and good hold up play. Nketiah’s breakthrough really came towards the end of last season. Up to then, there were major doubts about him. Now he is undeniably our second most important striker. Last season he was third.

I'm not sure it's really relevant to look at how our forward line was perceived before last season started, because we now know how things turned out. Aubameyang continued his abysmal form from the previous season, Lacazette had the worst goalscoring season in a decade, and Nketiah only came into his own during the run-in. As things stand now, I would say we have undoubtedly improved in that area with the signing of Jesus and Nketiah showing he might be counted on as a genuine option. I would rather have one top class player than two sub-par ones.

Author:  Hazuki [ Wed Jul 20, 2022 9:55 am ]
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Interesting discussion about who's had the best transfer window so far. For me, the three best signings on paper so far are Haaland, Jesus and Sterling because they all fill an obvious need for their clubs. Haaland gives Man City that central striker they've sometimes looked like they're lacking. He's also a player who can turn the tide of a match, and isn't dependent on team play to score. Sterling gives Chelsea an attacking player that isn't just talented, but actually has end product. In the last five years Sterling has averaged 15 league goals per season for City. Jesus gives us that clear cut number 9 we've been missing since Aubameyang went off the radar completely after signing his last contract extension. I'm really excited to see what Jesus can do as the main man up front. On paper he seems to have it all.

Other signings I think could prove successful are Darwin Nunez for Liverpool, Koulibaly for Chelsea and Perisic for Tottenham, but there's a bit more question marks surrounding them as they've never played in the PL and, well, aren't Haaland. I have mixed feelings about Bissouma - I really like him as a player, but he's mainly a defensive midfielder and ideally you'd play him next to someone progressive, not plonkers like Hojbjerg and Bentancur. He'll stabilize their midfield for sure, but a huge problem for Tottenham has been their inability to control the midfield with possession and I'm not sure he helps them with that.

Looking away from the big six, I think Aston Villa have made some interesting signings, and Everton signing James Tarkowski was a very good move for them considering where they are as a club.

Author:  Hazuki [ Wed Jul 20, 2022 10:01 am ]
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If anyone still doubted we're signing Zinchenko, Guardiola has confirmed it at a press conference.


Author:  Hazuki [ Wed Jul 20, 2022 10:14 am ]
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Some interesting quotes about Zinchenko here. Kyle Walker names him as one of the three most technically gifted Man City players along with Bernardo Silva and Mahrez. And also this from Guardiola:

Guardiola has always been clear that Zinchenko’s best position, in the long-term, will be as a creative midfielder. “In the pockets as the attacking midfielder,” Guardiola said in April. “That is his position, definitely. When we bought Oleks, he was a No 10, a Phil Foden position, a creative player. But the needs we had… we didn’t have a left-back for many years. He adapted and said: ‘Okay, what does the team need? I’m going to do it. He is a reliable player, honestly.”

Author:  Rich [ Wed Jul 20, 2022 10:51 am ]
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Hazuki wrote:
I have mixed feelings about Bissouma - I really like him as a player, but he's mainly a defensive midfielder and ideally you'd play him next to someone progressive, not plonkers like Hojbjerg and Bentancur. He'll stabilize their midfield for sure, but a huge problem for Tottenham has been their inability to control the midfield with possession and I'm not sure he helps them with that.

I think Bissouma is a very good signig for Spurs, he's defensive minded but can receive the ball and is skillful enough to distribute it. Conte's teams don#t really tend to dominate midfield and dont go for the high press either. Ive seen his tactics described as a mid block - ie: they don't press right up to your area but they also don't let you get to their final 3rd, the mid block wins the ball back and releases Kane/Son/ Kulusevski and now Richarlison. It sort of fits the players. I think Spurs have bought well for the system the use. The main hurdle for them this season is replicating their form v City and Liverpool and finding a way to break down the deep block as I think more teams will use that against them this season. They don't have the technical players to pick a lock. They rely more on crosses and long range shooting to unpick a packed defence

Author:  Hazuki [ Wed Jul 20, 2022 10:58 am ]
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Rich wrote:
I think Bissouma is a very good signig for Spurs, he's defensive minded but can receive the ball and is skillful enough to distribute it. Conte's teams don#t really tend to dominate midfield and dont go for the high press either. Ive seen his tactics described as a mid block - ie: they don't press right up to your area but they also don't let you get to their final 3rd, the mid block wins the ball back and releases Kane/Son/ Kulusevski and now Richarlison. It sort of fits the players. I think Spurs have bought well for the system the use. The main hurdle for them this season is replicating their form v City and Liverpool and finding a way to break down the deep block as I think more teams will use that against them this season. They don't have the technical players to pick a lock. They rely more on crosses and long range shooting to unpick a packed defence

Yeah, I largely agree with this analysis. They did well last season, but the thing is I'm not sure you'll get higher than 4th with that set-up and struggling to control games. A more technical midfielder would give them another dimension and they could still use the tactic of defending low and hitting on the break against the bigger teams.

Author:  Hazuki [ Wed Jul 20, 2022 11:05 am ]
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Bernard wrote:
I don’t know what’s going to happen with the midfield. But other than the possibilities I’ve outlined above, I’m struggling to think of anything else.

A bit far-fetched perhaps, but maybe we're playing the waiting game to reduce the price? Rodgers has been very open about Tielemans not signing a new contract meaning he'll leave on a free next year if he's not sold this summer. There doesn't seem to be a lot of teams desperate to sign him, so we might just be biding our time in the hopes of getting him even cheaper.

Author:  Darren [ Wed Jul 20, 2022 12:07 pm ]
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Bernard wrote:
Darren wrote:
I think we now need to sell before we can buy. Once we've shifted a couple I think we're going to bring in a forward and a midfielder. not necessarily a centre forward but a wide player who can play across the line. They seem to be the kind of players we're being linked with.

If that’s the case don’t you think Zinchenko will be announced anytime soon?

I think he'll be the last signing before we sell. I was including him as already done.

Author:  AmericanGooner [ Wed Jul 20, 2022 12:24 pm ]
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Rich wrote:
AmericanGooner wrote:
A wee bit of Fergie in him then? I didn't know he was like that....and I like it. Need a kick up the azz sometimes.

So Rich (and others), you've been far more involved in transfers in the league this summer. How would you rank/gauge our transfer business against the top 6 clubs and, although its impossible, try anyway to guess-ti-mate where we should end up?


Right now in the top 6 you'd maybe have to say on paper Spurs have improved their squad the most, although I think if we get Zinchenko through then we could have that title.
Liverpool and Chelsea have so far replaced like-for-like. City have moved out two goal-scoring wide players and replaced with 2 goal-scoring No.9's - seems a very un-Pep-like set up, whether City are weaker or stronger depends solely on Haaland (who has had some injury issues as well). City also still have a surprisingly thin squad.
Man U for me had the most work to do and haven't done it yet. In a way the best piece of busienss they could do is finding a way to move Ronaldo on, I think most of their forward players play better without Ronaldo - Rashford, Martial, Sancho as a front 3 has decent potential and is the modern way of playing with 3 quick, versatile and direct forwards


I thought we were on the cusp of going back to regularly finishing comfortably above sperz the way God and nature intended. But they have bought a lot. That defender worries me. It seems ever since Van Dijk clubs are now looking for that transformative central defender.

Top 6 leaves us basically where we are basically. I don't even think about City and Liverpool. They are going to finish 1st or 2nd. Chelsea is the closest of anyone to getting inbetween them.

I basically look at Man Utd and Tottenham the most and if we play well, then Chelsea. Basically 3rd place is the same to us possibly as Liverpool winning the title. Its as far as we can go frankly right now. A couple years from now, we'll see. But right now? 3rd is our ceiling, no?

Author:  AmericanGooner [ Wed Jul 20, 2022 12:26 pm ]
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Rich wrote:
I think Bissouma is a very good signig for Spurs, he's defensive minded but can receive the ball and is skillful enough to distribute it.


He is the one player I wanted the most. I am going to have to go from being excited about him to hoping he's a bust...which I feel badly about. I hope they have gotten their Vieira-lite.

Author:  Bernard [ Wed Jul 20, 2022 12:35 pm ]
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Darren wrote:
Bernard wrote:
If that’s the case don’t you think Zinchenko will be announced anytime soon?

I think he'll be the last signing before we sell. I was including him as already done.

Surely that can only mean Arteta sees a deeper midfielder as less of a priority than every other player we’ve signed? Okay, Hazuki says we might be trying to force Tielemans’ price down even more. But how much money will Leicester go down from the rumoured £25m or £30m?

I’d have considered that verging on a giveaway price as it was. If nobody else really wants him for that sort of price, why is that?

Author:  AmericanGooner [ Wed Jul 20, 2022 12:58 pm ]
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Henry's American goals


Author:  Darren [ Wed Jul 20, 2022 1:00 pm ]
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Bernard wrote:
Darren wrote:
I think he'll be the last signing before we sell. I was including him as already done.

Surely that can only mean Arteta sees a deeper midfielder as less of a priority than every other player we’ve signed? Okay, Hazuki says we might be trying to force Tielemans’ price down even more. But how much money will Leicester go down from the rumoured £25m or £30m?

I’d have considered that verging on a giveaway price as it was. If nobody else really wants him for that sort of price, why is that?

Maybe he only wants Arsenal? That seems to be the story going around. I know no more than you on this so it's purely assumptive, but I think there will be more signings towards the end of the window.

Author:  Bernard [ Wed Jul 20, 2022 1:11 pm ]
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Hazuki wrote:
I'm not sure it's really relevant to look at how our forward line was perceived before last season started, because we now know how things turned out. Aubameyang continued his abysmal form from the previous season,

You may be interested to know that in the preceding season to last when you say Aubameyang was in abysmal form he scored more Premier League goals than Jesus with 10 goals in 29 games. Jesus scored 9 goals in 29 games that same season (2020/21).

Indeed, even last season (2021/22) Aubameyang had the same goal per game ratio (4 goals in 14 games) as Jesus (8 goals in 28 games).

Author:  Rich [ Wed Jul 20, 2022 1:41 pm ]
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Antonio Conte: “Spence is an investment of the club. The club wanted to do it. I said okay, this player is young but he showed he can become a good, important player for us. The club decided to buy him.”

Sounds like Conte doesn't fancy and didn't want Spence!

Author:  Hazuki [ Wed Jul 20, 2022 2:00 pm ]
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Bernard wrote:
Hazuki wrote:
I'm not sure it's really relevant to look at how our forward line was perceived before last season started, because we now know how things turned out. Aubameyang continued his abysmal form from the previous season,

You may be interested to know that in the preceding season to last when you say Aubameyang was in abysmal form he scored more Premier League goals than Jesus with 10 goals in 29 games. Jesus scored 9 goals in 29 games that same season (2020/21).

Indeed, even last season (2021/22) Aubameyang had the same goal per game ratio (4 goals in 14 games) as Jesus (8 goals in 28 games).

Jesus is not a prolific scorer, and though I think his scoring rate will improve if he's played consistently as a number 9 I'm not expecting him to score 25 goals for us. However, a big difference between him and Aubameyang is that an Aubameyang who doesn't score basically doesn't contribute at all. With Jesus, apart from the goals, you still get the work rate, the pressing and the link-up play. A lot of the things that Lacazette gave us, but at a higher level and with a lot more speed.

Author:  Rich [ Wed Jul 20, 2022 2:25 pm ]
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Hazuki wrote:
Rich wrote:
I think Bissouma is a very good signig for Spurs, he's defensive minded but can receive the ball and is skillful enough to distribute it. Conte's teams don#t really tend to dominate midfield and dont go for the high press either. Ive seen his tactics described as a mid block - ie: they don't press right up to your area but they also don't let you get to their final 3rd, the mid block wins the ball back and releases Kane/Son/ Kulusevski and now Richarlison. It sort of fits the players. I think Spurs have bought well for the system the use. The main hurdle for them this season is replicating their form v City and Liverpool and finding a way to break down the deep block as I think more teams will use that against them this season. They don't have the technical players to pick a lock. They rely more on crosses and long range shooting to unpick a packed defence

Yeah, I largely agree with this analysis. They did well last season, but the thing is I'm not sure you'll get higher than 4th with that set-up and struggling to control games. A more technical midfielder would give them another dimension and they could still use the tactic of defending low and hitting on the break against the bigger teams.

I agree, teams that win the biggest trophies are front foot high possession based teams who tend to take the game to the opposition no matter who it is. There are very few examples I can think of that don't fit that rule. Leicester when they won the title. Mourinho's Inter when they won the CL - but counter attack can win cup comps.

I think Conte is going for a 'win now' method, experienced players coming in. To be fair it makes sense for him because why waste the talent of 29/20 year old Son/Kane by trying a 5 year re-build with young players. It does mean Spurs may have a problem in 5 years time.....

Author:  Rich [ Wed Jul 20, 2022 2:29 pm ]
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Bernard wrote:
Darren wrote:
I think he'll be the last signing before we sell. I was including him as already done.

Surely that can only mean Arteta sees a deeper midfielder as less of a priority than every other player we’ve signed? Okay, Hazuki says we might be trying to force Tielemans’ price down even more. But how much money will Leicester go down from the rumoured £25m or £30m?

I’d have considered that verging on a giveaway price as it was. If nobody else really wants him for that sort of price, why is that?

Lots of reports keep saying Arsenal are fully on board for Tielemans, it is unanimous among edu, arteta etc. The concern for me, is that if he is our first choice and we're waiting to drive the price down we may get a few more clubs showing interest. Man U are rumoured to like him but want De Jong as a priority. Wait too long and De jong collapses and then we have competition

Author:  Rich [ Wed Jul 20, 2022 3:47 pm ]
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Arsenal Mexican talent Marcelo Flores will join Real Oviedo on loan deal valid until June 2023.

Author:  Zed [ Wed Jul 20, 2022 5:14 pm ]
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Rich wrote:
Antonio Conte: “Spence is an investment of the club. The club wanted to do it. I said okay, this player is young but he showed he can become a good, important player for us. The club decided to buy him.”

Sounds like Conte doesn't fancy and didn't want Spence!

Arm twisting from Levy so to speak.

Author:  long time gooner [ Wed Jul 20, 2022 5:16 pm ]
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Rich wrote:
Arsenal Mexican talent Marcelo Flores will join Real Oviedo on loan deal valid until June 2023.

Arsenal Mexican talent eh?

Brings to mind Carlos Vela.

Author:  Rich [ Wed Jul 20, 2022 6:26 pm ]
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Brighton are trying to get Tavares on loan. Sounds like the perfect loan move to me

Author:  Zed [ Wed Jul 20, 2022 9:43 pm ]
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Well done! England women Euros 2022 through to the semis. Will play Sweden or Belgium.

Author:  warrior [ Thu Jul 21, 2022 2:00 am ]
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3 - 1 for us against Orlando.

Martinelli, Nketia and Nelson scored.

Author:  Zed [ Thu Jul 21, 2022 2:35 am ]
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Wooo!!
3-1 to the Arsenal.
Goals scored by players as Warrior posted. Nice to view on a free stream.

Author:  gooner7 [ Thu Jul 21, 2022 2:38 am ]
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First half team paled in comparison to second half. We do need reinforcements to stay competitive.

Author:  Rich [ Thu Jul 21, 2022 5:16 am ]
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Does feel a shame that we ‘have’ to play so many players with no future at the club, feels like 3-4 more younger players could have been on this tour instead.

The other worry is the fitness of some players, they may be fit for the start of the season but they won’t be ready. Tomiyasu is the biggest worry of that lot who have niggles. Our right side when Tomiyasu and Saka are unavailable is quite poor

Author:  Rich [ Thu Jul 21, 2022 5:30 am ]
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From the highlights I saw it looks like Lokonga is more comfortable in that advanced midfield position rather than the Partey position. If we’re not buying a player to play in deep midfield it looks like we’ll have to gamble on Partey’s fitness with Elneny as a back up.

If we sign Tielemans he will be much needed but I still think that if Partey is out then we may need to move to a double pivot and traditional 10 rather than the lone pivot and 2 No.8’s that only really works with Partey in the team

Author:  TOP GUN [ Thu Jul 21, 2022 6:28 am ]
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Artetas comments after the game definitely lend gravitas to the suggestion we have to sell before we buy again.

Author:  john1 [ Thu Jul 21, 2022 6:41 am ]
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long time gooner wrote:
Rich wrote:
Arsenal Mexican talent Marcelo Flores will join Real Oviedo on loan deal valid until June 2023.

Arsenal Mexican talent eh?

Brings to mind Carlos Vela.


Who is now a teammate of our (as in Wales') greatest ever footballer at Los Angeles FC.

Author:  Gaz from Oz [ Thu Jul 21, 2022 7:45 am ]
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Tierney and Tomiyasu both missing again. The number of comments on the internet about our first half defence was noticeable. Instead of criticising Nuno (who played over 80mins) they should be asking where is Tierney, who has failed to get himself fit since 31 March. Is Tomiyasu even a viable starter for early in the season? Zinco can't get to the club soon enough but then he will need to bed in. I see Zinco as our early season LB - lets hope he is good enough. It is hard to bed in Saliba if a number of the players who potentially could be first choice are absent, and he has no idea how they play.

Until November there are a lot of games and our squad isn't looking that strong. The LB, RB, & Partey's position are all essential and all where we are most vulnerable.

Author:  Rich [ Thu Jul 21, 2022 7:47 am ]
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TOP GUN wrote:
Artetas comments after the game definitely lend gravitas to the suggestion we have to sell before we buy again.

I read it like that as well. Which is a shame because we could struggle to get the money in for all our cast offs combined to get another serious player.

Hopefully it is something like £25m Tielemans. We should be able to scrape that together. We should be getting at least £10m for Leno, Torreira must find a home for £8-10m, Mari is probably a free, Bellerin might struggle to get £5m, If Nelsen is under £3m or so then you might as well keep him with us for Europa group stages at least. Pépé, feels like that will need to be a loan.

Author:  Bernard [ Thu Jul 21, 2022 7:56 am ]
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TOP GUN wrote:
Artetas comments after the game definitely lend gravitas to the suggestion we have to sell before we buy again.

What did he say then? If you’re right (and I’ve not heard or read his comments), it surely supports the conclusion that he gave a much bigger priority to signing players in various other positions than deep midfield.

For example, firstly a new striker (completely understandable with Jesus). Secondly a creative midfielder Vieira who for all we know might end up as being a backup to presumably the next club captain Ødegaard. Thirdly, Zinchenko who may well be used mainly as cover for Tierney (assuming we do get him and our interest in Martinez was genuine). Fourthly a wider or more mobile attacking player if our interest in Raphina was genuine.

Have I forgotten anyone? Turner, who at most will be the new cup keeper and cover for Ramsdale, and if Leno’s move to Fulham doesn’t transpire then probably not even that.

With us not even competing with Tottenham for Bissouma and Tielemans allegedly being available for as little as £25m to £30m and apparently nothing having been done in getting the latter on board with the season a fortnight from starting (fifteen days to be pedantic), it does make me wonder if Arteta is happy with Partey and Xhaka as the deeper midfielders covered by Lokonga and possibly Maitland-Niles.

It’ll be fascinating to see whether we recruit Tielemans, if he’s seen as the deeper midfielder. Is it possible Arteta simply doesn’t fancy him and will make do with Partey, Xhaka, Lokonga and possibly Maitland-Niles? I would be very surprised if we change our playing style and Vieira is a regular starter with Ødegaard and one of Partey or Xhaka. Apart from against the weakest opposition or if we desperately need a substitute to create a late goal.

EDIT: I forgot Marquinhos. That presumably pushes Tielemans ever further down Arteta’s list of priorities.

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