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Author:  DHD [ Wed Jan 12, 2022 10:20 am ]
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Darren wrote:
Bernard wrote:
So what? It’s Stan’s money as Arsenal is his club. Those figures will surely represent a tiny fraction of the Kroenke’s fortune and I’m not going to lose any sleep about it. Many used to moan about KSE’s ownership because money was so tight. If that’s no longer the case, good it my reaction.

Spot on. I used to be one of those who would worry about the figures being mentioned when we signed players. As I've got older, I couldn't care less. As you say, these are numbers we can obviously afford. There are many things in life to lose sleep over, the alleged pay packet and transfer fee of a striker from Serie A isn't one.


I agree too. if you look at the evidence of our recent 'big money' signings - Partey, White and Ramsdale - the Club has performed very well. Many thought they were over-priced but once they'd been identified as targets, we pretty much paid the asking price or the release clause in all cases with no particular dramas. For a few, the jury may still be out on Partey but the other two have been brilliant signings. Overall, and particularly when the 'cheaper' signings are taken into account, our recruitment strategy has improved dramatically.

If Stan or Josh are prepared to fund what seem like daft outlays, I say good on 'em. Bring it on. Thank you.

Author:  Bernard [ Wed Jan 12, 2022 10:31 am ]
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DHD wrote:
If Stan or Josh are prepared to fund what seem like daft outlays, I say good on 'em. Bring it on. Thank you.

Exactly. People, me most definitely being one of quite a number, were moaning when KSE weren’t spending money. Now they apparently are and some are still moaning.

Author:  DHD [ Wed Jan 12, 2022 10:36 am ]
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I'd just add that if the financial constraints have indeed been relaxed, as seems evident, and the Kroenke empire is in an expansionist frame of mind, as may be possible, then Haaland would be the ultimate transformational investment; it might just appeal. Mighty long shot but I wouldn't entirely rule it out.

They'd be ridiculous numbers but there'd undoubtedly be a sound business case to be made - if he'd come. Notwithstanding the eye-watering financial package, which is still probably affordable to the KSE multi-national multi-billion conglomerate, that last bit would be the problem. Get on the blower to your mate, Martin.

Author:  Darren [ Wed Jan 12, 2022 10:37 am ]
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Bernard wrote:
DHD wrote:
If Stan or Josh are prepared to fund what seem like daft outlays, I say good on 'em. Bring it on. Thank you.

Exactly. People, me most definitely being one of quite a number, were moaning when KSE weren’t spending money. Now they apparently are and some are still moaning.

Thirded. They are putting their money where their mouth is.

Author:  Hazuki [ Wed Jan 12, 2022 10:39 am ]
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DHD wrote:
Overall, and particularly when the 'cheaper' signings are taken into account, our recruitment strategy has improved dramatically.

Yeah, these are very good points. This summer we brought in six players - four of them are starters that are performing very well, and the other two are young squad players who have shown plenty of promise. That's as close to a perfect summer as you can get basically, and I'm perfectly happy with trusting their judgment going forward.

With the comparisons being made, I think there are some key differences with our other high earners. Özil and Aubameyang were much older and already established world class players with a long proven track record. Lacazette was 26 and had been an established top goalscorer for a number of years when we signed him - those players will always get bigger wages. Vlahovic is just 21 and broke out last season.

On the flip side, since he's just 21, Vlahovic would be a lot easier to get rid of if he doesn't pan out. Very few teams will go near an underperforming 32-year old on monster wages, but a 23/24-year old who has shown a lot of promise in the past would have more teams willing to take a chance.

Author:  TOP GUN [ Wed Jan 12, 2022 10:43 am ]
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Your always going to get a Few duds right ? All clubs get them

Pépé was the most sought after winger in Europe when we signed him. That was a real coup. Who would have anticipated what followed.

When we signed Dennis I can recall people saying we paid too much then. Windy nights up north etc

Also I’d say due to the size of the players contracts these days if you offer a long term contract to a player over 30 on big money there’s no happy ending that will occur when you eventually need to drop the player like in the case of Özil and Aubameyang. It is bound to end with animosity. The player will always refuse to take a pay cut to go elsewhere. It’s grotesque but There’s no point slating the club about it . Liverpool themselves have a real dilemma with Salah as he will be asking for more money than is logical.

Author:  azinoz [ Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:12 am ]
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Happy to accept any additional funding KSE are prepared to put in and don’t really care if it goes “tits up” for them but I do care what steps KSE might take to recover their money. They might not take any action at all but if they are so inclined they could for instance insist on us selling our best players or selling of our training ground and leasing it back again or something similar.

No doubt I am being a bit over the top on this but unfortunately I do not have much faith in the Kronkes. I sincerely hope I have nothing to worry about.

Author:  Rich [ Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:17 am ]
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U21 goals from last night

Author:  Decaf [ Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:38 am ]
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Bernard wrote:
Rich wrote:
Also, if we have any player on £200k plus and we want to sell him I can only think of the super rich and super doped who would be able to buy him without the player dropping their wage - which is unlikely in most cases unless you move the player for free and he gets a big signing on bonus to compensate.

So what? It’s Stan’s money as Arsenal is his club. Those figures will surely represent a tiny fraction of the Kroenke’s fortune and I’m not going to lose any sleep about it. Many used to moan about KSE’s ownership because money was so tight. If that’s no longer the case, good it my reaction.

Provided it is his own money and the clubs doesn't end up saddled with debt.

I'm more worried about the non-financial risks of getting a player who turns out to be a dud, or who agitates for a move to a bigger club from day one.

I'm not saying we shouldn't go big, just make sure that we get right player.

Author:  DHD [ Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:48 am ]
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azinoz wrote:
Happy to accept any additional funding KSE are prepared to put in and don’t really care if it goes “tits up” for them but I do care what steps KSE might take to recover their money. They might not take any action at all but if they are so inclined they could for instance insist on us selling our best players or selling of our training ground and leasing it back again or something similar.

No doubt I am being a bit over the top on this but unfortunately I do not have much faith in the Kronkes. I sincerely hope I have nothing to worry about.


Morning Az - good to see you around these parts again.

If one thing has become apparent in the relatively short time we've been acquainted with them, the Kroenkes are building a multi-generational dynasty. They re-locate, they improve and they acquire - but they do not sell. In America, it's feasible to move an entire club to another more financially advantageous location. We're a much smaller country and we don't have the tracts of cheap development land needed for such ventures. We also have a planning system that would tie them up for years before sending them packing. Lastly, there's a regulatory control that holds all football clubs in check. I don't see any real prospect of the Kroenkes asset-stripping the Arse. I can see them using us to guarantee business loans in America, but that's standard multi-national company procedure.

I also think it's dawning on them that in this country, the Club needs to succeed to protect their investment; they need to improve, compete and move forward. In the USA, because there's no relegation, it's an acceptable business model to tread water for decades. That puts a different spin on how the UK and USA businesses are run.

I was impressed by Josh, I like the noises coming out of the Club and I'm more hopeful for the future.

What can go wrong, eh?

Author:  Hazuki [ Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:59 am ]
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Balogun on loan to Middlesbrough has been officially announced. It's always tricky with these Championship clubs, because of how vital promotion to the PL is they're not going to play someone based on potential. Hope he gets a chance to show what he can do, regular playing time in a competitive environment could be vital for his development.

Author:  Rich [ Wed Jan 12, 2022 12:22 pm ]
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Digne to Villa £23m plus add ons. Decent player who fell out with Benitez at Everton. 28 years old so Villa should get his prime years but won't recoup much from him at the end of his contract. Decent enough signing I'd say.

Author:  Rich [ Wed Jan 12, 2022 12:29 pm ]
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Hazuki wrote:
Balogun on loan to Middlesbrough has been officially announced. It's always tricky with these Championship clubs, because of how vital promotion to the PL is they're not going to play someone based on potential. Hope he gets a chance to show what he can do, regular playing time in a competitive environment could be vital for his development.

Key is game time. Boro seem to play a 3-5-2 so he has more chance of being one of the two strikers. Their two main strikers only have 3 and 6 goals each this year, but their results have been good and they're up in the play off positions now having hovered around midtable for most of the season

Author:  AmericanGooner [ Wed Jan 12, 2022 12:31 pm ]
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DHD wrote:
I'd just add that if the financial constraints have indeed been relaxed, as seems evident, and the Kroenke empire is in an expansionist frame of mind, as may be possible, then Haaland would be the ultimate transformational investment; it might just appeal. Mighty long shot but I wouldn't entirely rule it out.

They'd be ridiculous numbers but there'd undoubtedly be a sound business case to be made - if he'd come. Notwithstanding the eye-watering financial package, which is still probably affordable to the KSE multi-national multi-billion conglomerate, that last bit would be the problem. Get on the blower to your mate, Martin.


With respect to this post, azinoz and others said about our spending, I have some questions. We have spent a lot of money on transfers and its at or near the top of other clubs in the league.

However, I've never seen Stan as a Roman or Emirates type who will spend whatever to win. Maybe he is and I've gotten him wrong.

He's a multi-billionaire and assume he can afford to spend lavishly on us to win. Roman and the Emirate Sheiks spend to win the title, they are after trophies. Stan, to the best of my knowledge, has not been that type.

The Glazers seem somewhere inbetween. They seem to realize that for Man Utd to keep their branding they need to win trophies. So, they spend not to soothe their egos that I think Roman (moreso before), the Emeratis, have done but as part of a business model.

Where does Stan fit in these different types of owners or is he in a league of his own? Did the money we spend come from revenue generated by the club or did he dig into his pockets in order to keep us competitive?

Author:  Hazuki [ Wed Jan 12, 2022 12:38 pm ]
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RMC Sport in France - who I believe are in the "pretty reliable" category of sources - are saying we're in advanced negotiations to sign Artur Melo on loan from Juventus. 25 years old, defensive midfielder from Brazil. I think he's talented from the little I've seen, but hasn't managed to establish himself at Juve, or Barcelona when he was there.

Makes sense in a lot of ways. He's a player with potential covering a position we need to strengthen. Low risk, with potentially high reward if he can find the form that made him coveted by several big clubs when he was playing in Brazil.

Author:  Bernard [ Wed Jan 12, 2022 12:41 pm ]
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DHD wrote:
I also think it's dawning on them that in this country, the Club needs to succeed to protect their investment; they need to improve, compete and move forward. In the USA, because there's no relegation, it's an acceptable business model to tread water for decades. That puts a different spin on how the UK and USA businesses are run.

I’ve made the point before, on more than one occasion, that I can remember when Arsenal were comfortably the best supported team in London. Indeed, I’d have put Tottenham second and Chelsea third, with West Ham fourth. Since Abramovich bought them and started winning lots more trophies than any other London club, Chelsea’s fan base has grown to not only overtake Tottenham but Arsenal too.

Sure, Arsenal still have more trophies in their honours list than Chelsea, but it’s current success that grows your fan base the quickest. I bet City’s fan base has grown much quicker than Manchester United’s since Sheikh Mansour bought them. Of course, worldwide United still have many more fans than City. But I bet the difference (United’s lead) is significantly less than it used to be.

Sadly, Arsenal didn’t have anything like the lead over Chelsea’s pre-Abramovich fan base that United had over City’s pre-Sheikh Mansour fan base. It therefore took them a lot less time to overtake Arsenal, and every estimate I see puts Chelsea’s current fan base as bigger than Arsenal’s. If I’ve noticed that, surely the analysts Arsenal presumably hire or employ would have, and pointed it out to the Kroenke’s? Stan won’t be comfortable with that for the reasons you suggest DHD. To protect KSE’s (so his) investment.

My guess is that’s an important reason why we’re beginning to see money being spent. Because the size of a club is heavily dependent on how big its fan base is, and a big factor in extending the fan base will be success on the pitch with, as I say, current success being more important than winning things in the year dot. From fan base size comes publicity, sponsorship revenues, commercial income, marketing potential and so on.

If I’m right, it’s arguably a shame it took so long for the KSE regime to notice it. But if they finally have, better late than never.

Author:  Zed [ Wed Jan 12, 2022 5:28 pm ]
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Sorry, but Ornstein thinks Vlahovic will hold out for a summer move to Juve this summer.

Author:  Bernard [ Wed Jan 12, 2022 5:29 pm ]
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Hazuki wrote:
On the flip side, since he's just 21, Vlahovic would be a lot easier to get rid of if he doesn't pan out. Very few teams will go near an underperforming 32-year old on monster wages, but a 23/24-year old who has shown a lot of promise in the past would have more teams willing to take a chance.

That’s a very good point. I still doubt we’ll get him but I think there’s a little bit of bed wetting going on about the rumours of his wages.

Author:  long time gooner [ Wed Jan 12, 2022 5:33 pm ]
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Back in 2007 we couldn’t afford £15m apparently. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/i-sh ... 1bc7de9c43

Author:  Hazuki [ Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:59 pm ]
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long time gooner wrote:
Back in 2007 we couldn’t afford £15m apparently. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/i-sh ... 1bc7de9c43

I remember watching him for Sevilla in 04/05 because we were linked with him, and thought he'd be the perfect addition to the team we had then. Just seemed like such a great blend of technique and power, to compliment the speed and skill of Henry, Pires and the others. Was really bummed when he signed for Real Madrid instead. Then he came here and...well, let's just say it was pretty far from perfect.

Author:  Rich [ Wed Jan 12, 2022 7:56 pm ]
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Arthur Melo links increasing. There is definite contact but Juve only want to let him go if they can get a replacement. I hope we don’t drag it out until the end of January as we need a CM now.

Author:  Rich [ Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:00 pm ]
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Looks like spurs have gone as strong as they can for their 2nd leg v Chelsea before our game b them at the weekend. I’d like extra time but that would mean spurs winning 2-0 in 90 minutes which I don’t fancy….so more than happy for Chelsea to beat them 5 or 6-0

Author:  kiwipete [ Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:06 pm ]
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Bernard wrote:
kiwipete wrote:
I've nearly finished reading a combo book about Marconi / Dr Crippin

Impeccably mannered doctor who skinned his wife , buried some of the remains in the coal cellar then took off for Canada with his girlfriend who was dressed as a boy .
He was brought back to UK and tried . The court held four thousand but they decided to issue half day passes so more people could get a taste of the action

Sentenced to hang

John Ellis was a full time barber ; did a little hanging on the side .

After his final hanging he was allowed to take the scaffold home as a souvenir ... he ended up cutting his own throat twenty two years later .


Dr Crippen lived in Hilldrop Crescent, Islington. So close to Arsenal’s ground when the club moved there and I think where our former poster Harlow was brought up. Went to have a look at his house years ago but sadly it was bombed in the war and a block of flats has replaced it.

Interestingly, the remains in the cellar that were thought to be his wife and got him convicted and eventually hanged had DNA tests performed on them when forensic science had advanced sufficiently to enable this. They were actually from a male body, so weren’t his wife. But despite that it’s still recognised that he had to be guilty of the murder of his wife so it hopefully, and probably, wasn’t a miscarriage of justice.


I forgot Crippen was an actually American ; born in Michigan .

On the DNA ......surprised the book "Thunderstruck" by Erik Larsen which was written relatively recently 2006 didn't mention that .

and if the remains weren't the wife ...... why wasn't Crippin protesting his innocence ...in all his questioning by investigating detectives in court ,
faced with the gallows he was a model of composure .

His wife was an absolute horror anyway .

Author:  Rich [ Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:09 pm ]
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Seen a few rumours that Tielemans is high on Arteta’s priority list as we’re looking at summer targets. Usual pinch of salt and all that but I think he’s a tremendous player.

Author:  dec [ Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:46 pm ]
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Rich wrote:
Arthur Melo links increasing. There is definite contact but Juve only want to let him go if they can get a replacement. I hope we don’t drag it out until the end of January as we need a CM now.

I haven't really seen Arthur at Juve but when he was at Barca I thought he was skilful but very lightweight. Not really what we need.

Author:  Hazuki [ Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:49 pm ]
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dec wrote:
Rich wrote:
Arthur Melo links increasing. There is definite contact but Juve only want to let him go if they can get a replacement. I hope we don’t drag it out until the end of January as we need a CM now.

I haven't really seen Arthur at Juve but when he was at Barca I thought he was skilful but very lightweight. Not really what we need.

Stylistically I would compare him to midfielders like Thiago or Cazorla - small and not a ball winner, but excellent technique, good at beating the press and working in tight areas. Think a player like that could really work well in our team.

Author:  kiwipete [ Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:50 pm ]
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DHD wrote:


I also think it's dawning on them that in this country, the Club needs to succeed to protect their investment; they need to improve, compete and move forward. In the USA, because there's no relegation, it's an acceptable business model to tread water for decades. That puts a different spin on how the UK and USA businesses are run.


plus in the NFL there is some benefit to " treading water" as you put it ...... clubs finishing at the bottom of the heap one year ; get very high draft picks for the next year so automatically improving their squads .

Author:  kiwipete [ Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:05 pm ]
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dec wrote:
Rich wrote:
Arthur Melo links increasing. There is definite contact but Juve only want to let him go if they can get a replacement. I hope we don’t drag it out until the end of January as we need a CM now.

I haven't really seen Arthur at Juve but when he was at Barca I thought he was skilful but very lightweight. Not really what we need.

True Dec .... we should be searching for Vieira M k 2 .............not Torriera M k 2 ......... note the rhyming there , very lyrical

Put like that ; sounds like we should be searching the second hand car yards

Author:  azinoz [ Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:16 pm ]
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DHD wrote:
azinoz wrote:
Happy to accept any additional funding KSE are prepared to put in and don’t really care if it goes “tits up” for them but I do care what steps KSE might take to recover their money. They might not take any action at all but if they are so inclined they could for instance insist on us selling our best players or selling of our training ground and leasing it back again or something similar.

No doubt I am being a bit over the top on this but unfortunately I do not have much faith in the Kronkes. I sincerely hope I have nothing to worry about.


Morning Az - good to see you around these parts again.



I also think it's dawning on them that in this country, the Club needs to succeed to protect their investment; they need to improve, compete and move forward. In the USA, because there's no relegation, it's an acceptable business model to tread water for decades. That puts a different spin on how the UK and USA businesses are run.

I was impressed by Josh, I like the noises coming out of the Club and I'm more hopeful for the future.

What can go wrong, eh?


Thanks DHD “asset stripping” was the term I should have used instead of all that convoluted garbage I wrote. Next time I’m struggling to put two or more sentences together instead of just one I will email you for advice

Author:  dec [ Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:19 pm ]
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Hazuki wrote:
dec wrote:
I haven't really seen Arthur at Juve but when he was at Barca I thought he was skilful but very lightweight. Not really what we need.

Stylistically I would compare him to midfielders like Thiago or Cazorla - small and not a ball winner, but excellent technique, good at beating the press and working in tight areas. Think a player like that could really work well in our team.

He's defensively worse than Xhaka though. I could see teams just ploughing through our midfield.

Author:  dec [ Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:28 pm ]
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kiwipete wrote:
dec wrote:
I haven't really seen Arthur at Juve but when he was at Barca I thought he was skilful but very lightweight. Not really what we need.

True Dec .... we should be searching for Vieira M k 2 .............not Torriera M k 2 ......... note the rhyming there , very lyrical

Put like that ; sounds like we should be searching the second hand car yards

It's as if the ghost of Leonard Cohen is posting....

Author:  azinoz [ Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:33 pm ]
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Quote:
Gidday Azinoz

[1] .... "other clubs in for" ..... I've seen a report saying Man City are interested in him or Kane to sharpen there attack

[2] we've already stepped into that territory with idiot high wages to Özil and Aubameyang ..... Saka and Smith Rowe are still at the club , no sign of turmoil

[3] I can see them taking a punt of that magnitude ..... given our very credible display v Man City before the Xhaka / Gabriel Extravaganza opened it's doors
I could see our management team thinking all we need now is a decent 20 plus goals a season striker to complete the the equation .

If he cemented us Champions league Football football ; that revenue would pay his wages and prove a gamble worth taking ...... especially if we could offset the cost with a clear out of any of Aubameyang , Lacazette , Pépé .


Hi Kiwi
Basically I accept all that you say but I will try to qualify - point 2

Yes we have already made previous decisions to pay players around the 250- 300k per week mark but they have been seasoned internationals with with CV’s as long as your welding torch, Vhalovic has hardly had a season an a half at the top and my point is, what kind of message does that send to our younger ones?

Author:  Hazuki [ Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:45 pm ]
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dec wrote:
He's defensively worse than Xhaka though. I could see teams just ploughing through our midfield.

In terms of pure ball winning ability, absolutely. But a lot of defending these days comes in the form of pressuring opponents to regain possession, and I could see him do that effectively if he plays to his potential. We're a team that should dominate possession in the majority of our games, which decreases the need for a destroyer in midfield. Having the ability to press, and to avoid press from our opponents is just as important as winning duels in my opinion.

Author:  Rich [ Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:51 pm ]
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Spurs had 2 penalties and a goal overturned by VAR tonight. All correct overturns by the VAR ref though.
One of the penalties awarded by Marriner was an awful decision.

Author:  TOP GUN [ Wed Jan 12, 2022 10:45 pm ]
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At the moment whilst afcon is going on what we need most is technical ability and distribution in the middle of the park as we will miss partey. If this is even at the expense of a bit of defensive solidity then that’s fine so I don’t have a problem with Arthur being less of a ball winner really.

Lokonga looks so lightweight and gives the ball away so much and probably needs to go on loan. I don’t think he’s ready for the premier league yet so a more experienced midfielder would be a nice boost.

Author:  Zed [ Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:21 pm ]
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Rich wrote:
Spurs had 2 penalties and a goal overturned by VAR tonight. All correct overturns by the VAR ref though.
One of the penalties awarded by Marriner was an awful decision.

Rich it was Mike Dean on VAR at the Spurs-Chels game tonight. Hope he won't be anywhere near our NLD this weekend. A

Author:  Bernard [ Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:52 am ]
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kiwipete wrote:
Bernard wrote:
Dr Crippen lived in Hilldrop Crescent, Islington. So close to Arsenal’s ground when the club moved there and I think where our former poster Harlow was brought up. Went to have a look at his house years ago but sadly it was bombed in the war and a block of flats has replaced it.

Interestingly, the remains in the cellar that were thought to be his wife and got him convicted and eventually hanged had DNA tests performed on them when forensic science had advanced sufficiently to enable this. They were actually from a male body, so weren’t his wife. But despite that it’s still recognised that he had to be guilty of the murder of his wife so it hopefully, and probably, wasn’t a miscarriage of justice.


I forgot Crippen was an actually American ; born in Michigan .

On the DNA ......surprised the book "Thunderstruck" by Erik Larsen which was written relatively recently 2006 didn't mention that .

and if the remains weren't the wife ...... why wasn't Crippin protesting his innocence ...in all his questioning by investigating detectives in court ,
faced with the gallows he was a model of composure .

His wife was an absolute horror anyway .

If Larsen’s book was published in 2006, he was a year early as the Guardian report below is from 2007. The Sun report publicising the research finding the remains were that of a male was even later, 2020. I’ve seen it in documentaries too.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.thegua ... me.science

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thesun ... anted/amp/

Author:  gooner7 [ Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:35 am ]
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It will be an interesting line-up against Pool today. I fear for the worst with our current midfield options.

Author:  kiwipete [ Thu Jan 13, 2022 3:35 am ]
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Bernard wrote:
kiwipete wrote:
I forgot Crippen was actually American ; born in Michigan .

On the DNA ......surprised the book "Thunderstruck" by Erik Larsen which was written relatively recently 2006 didn't mention that .
.

If Larsen’s book was published in 2006, he was a year early as the Guardian report below is from 2007. The Sun report publicising the research finding the remains were that of a male was even later, 2020. I’ve seen it in documentaries too.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.thegua ... me.science

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thesun ... anted/amp/


I'm guessing you are well intentioned but

......when I click on the first link I get a black page with a letter G in the middle ...click on the second it goes off for a second then rebounds back to the Gleiber

Author:  kiwipete [ Thu Jan 13, 2022 3:50 am ]
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gooner7 wrote:
It will be an interesting line-up against Pool today. I fear for the worst with our current midfield options.


Salam sejahtera G7 ..... the one little mini glimmer of hope is that Arsenal have a habit of putting in an absolute sh**t performance ; then when everyone is bitching and moaning screaming for the managers head / Kroenke to be drawn and quartered , abandon all hope scenario . Next up they play very well .

That Forest debacle may have a silver lining .

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