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Author:  Bernard [ Thu May 06, 2021 11:37 am ]
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old man of hoy wrote:
Bernard wrote:
...But we have a rich enough owner to be financially doped and compete with them. Just because Fiszman on his death bed sold out to a multi billionaire who won’t put his own money into the club and Chelsea and City’s owners will, is that really enough to make them “cheaty and horrible”?
Why bring Danny Fiszman's dying wishes into it? I imagine he might have been thinking more about his family at that point than the future of a football club, and who wouldn't have done the same? Your point about Kroenke's lack of personal investment in the team stands well enough without mentioning Danny, a man who did a lot for Arsenal.

Being dead in my view isn’t enough to save anyone, including Fiszman, from criticism. Was he thinking of his family when selling the control of Arsenal to Kroenke? I’m in no position to say he wasn’t but I think it’s debatable because I’ve little doubt that he could have got the same or more money from another buyer. My own suspicion is that on his deathbed, excluding Dein from Arsenal’s future (as he was linked to Usmanov at the time) was more important to Danny than the well being of the club after his own passing.

However I certainly do accept that while alive Fiszman did a lot of positive things for Arsenal, especially over the new ground. So there’s no argument from me on that point of yours.

Author:  TOP GUN [ Thu May 06, 2021 12:11 pm ]
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Bernard wrote:
old man of hoy wrote:
Why bring Danny Fiszman's dying wishes into it? I imagine he might have been thinking more about his family at that point than the future of a football club, and who wouldn't have done the same? Your point about Kroenke's lack of personal investment in the team stands well enough without mentioning Danny, a man who did a lot for Arsenal.

Being dead in my view isn’t enough to save anyone, including Fiszman, from criticism.

:laughing7:

For *%^@* sake :laughing7:

Author:  AmericanGooner [ Thu May 06, 2021 12:19 pm ]
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Rich wrote:
socrates wrote:

Hi Rich,

It is hugely frustrating but, as pointed out by Bernard, Kroenke could spend like there's no tomorrow if he so desired, he just chooses not to.

But just because Kronke chooses not to spend doesn't mean we can't complain about the unfairness of City and Chelsea's owners firstly just splurging money they haven't earned and secondly circumnavigating the rules set up to do that via back door legal nonsense.
Of course Arsenal should be more competitive than we are but without financial doping any sustained success in the english league is pretty much a closed shop.
Man City will have won 8 of the last 12 domestic trophies available


Whatever Leicester is doing, its working.

Author:  TOP GUN [ Thu May 06, 2021 12:46 pm ]
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old man of hoy wrote:
Bernard wrote:
...But we have a rich enough owner to be financially doped and compete with them. Just because Fiszman on his death bed sold out to a multi billionaire who won’t put his own money into the club and Chelsea and City’s owners will, is that really enough to make them “cheaty and horrible”?
Why bring Danny Fiszman's dying wishes into it? I imagine he might have been thinking more about his family at that point than the future of a football club, and who wouldn't have done the same? Your point about Kroenke's lack of personal investment in the team stands well enough without mentioning Danny, a man who did a lot for Arsenal.

“At this moment, lying on the bed, sick and remembering all my life, I realize that all my recognition and wealth that I have is meaningless in the face of my imminent death ...... oh hang on bollocks I don’t wanna sell it to an American “

That’s precisely how it should have worked Hoy

Author:  Decaf [ Thu May 06, 2021 1:34 pm ]
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TOP GUN wrote:
Sarri ? Would be hugely depressing. The only thing I think when his name is mentioned are his hysterics on the touchline when his own goalkeeper refused to come off. However it’s been mooted in Italy since Christmas he’s joining Arsenal

I think it’s of very high probability we change the manager this summer regardless of results.

Kroenke will want to divert attention from his ownership and takeovers by creating an impression that a moment of change has occurred.

We're a 4/1 shot for the Europa. That seems about right.

If we win, don't you think the fans will rally behind Arteta and Kroenke will be drawing even more trouble on himself if he changes managers? Do you think he cares?

If we don't win, especially if we don't win tonight, I think Arteta will be gone very soon. A pity, but patience is not in long supply as we know, and Arteta's selections haven't been helping those of us who do want to defend him.

Author:  Decaf [ Thu May 06, 2021 1:47 pm ]
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TOP GUN wrote:
Bernard wrote:
Being dead in my view isn’t enough to save anyone, including Fiszman, from criticism.

:laughing7:

For *%^@* sake :laughing7:

Otherwise Hitler, Trump*, Attila the Hun, Vlad the Impaler etc. would be above criticism.

*still alive last time I checked but if he did pop off, he would certainly still warrant criticism.

Author:  Niall [ Thu May 06, 2021 1:50 pm ]
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Decaf wrote:
TOP GUN wrote:
:laughing7:

For *%^@* sake :laughing7:

Otherwise Hitler, Trump*, Attila the Hun, Vlad the Impaler etc. would be above criticism.

*still alive last time I checked but if he did pop off, he would certainly still warrant criticism.

Some memory you have Decaf.

Author:  AmericanGooner [ Thu May 06, 2021 2:06 pm ]
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old man of hoy wrote:
Why bring Danny Fiszman's dying wishes into it? I imagine he might have been thinking more about his family at that point than the future of a football club, and who wouldn't have done the same? Your point about Kroenke's lack of personal investment in the team stands well enough without mentioning Danny, a man who did a lot for Arsenal.



What's the best guess as to who would be owner if Fiszman didn't sell?

Author:  TOP GUN [ Thu May 06, 2021 2:16 pm ]
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Decaf wrote:
TOP GUN wrote:
:laughing7:

For *%^@* sake :laughing7:

Otherwise Hitler, Trump*, Attila the Hun, Vlad the Impaler etc. would be above criticism.

.


Yep Danny Fiszman sure is in rich company with that lot eh. :laughing7:

Author:  Zed [ Thu May 06, 2021 2:19 pm ]
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dec wrote:
Bernard wrote:
I too hope City win the final. Must admit I don’t mind City. For every trophy they win it means Manchester United, Liverpool, Chelsea and Tottenham haven’t won it.

We also have to remember when calling Chelsea and City “cheaty horrible clubs”, Kroenke has comparable wealth to Abramovich and the Kroenke family has comparable wealth to Sheikh Mansour. The only difference is Kroenke won’t spend his own money on the club he owns but Abramovich and Mansour will. Is that really enough to make them “cheaty”, even if it makes us jealous?

City have spent completely beyond the club's means. Literally hundreds of millions. Chelsea work within revenues generated by the club these days but in the first 7 or 8 years of Abramovic's ownership they did the same. "Financial doping" really is a very good description.

Being "financially doped" has its benefits. We just have "financially doped" owners who are a bit stingy,

Author:  Decaf [ Thu May 06, 2021 2:27 pm ]
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TOP GUN wrote:
Decaf wrote:
Otherwise Hitler, Trump*, Attila the Hun, Vlad the Impaler etc. would be above criticism.

.


Yep Danny Fiszman sure is in rich company with that lot eh. :laughing7:


Atilla the Hun probably would also object to being classed with Trump (not to mention Hitler and Vlad):

"He was a man born into the world to shake the nations, the scourge of all lands, who in some way terrified all mankind by the dreadful rumors noised abroad concerning him. He was haughty in his walk, rolling his eyes hither and thither, so that the power of his proud spirit appeared in the movement of his body. He was indeed a lover of war, yet restrained in action, mighty in counsel, gracious to suppliants and lenient to those who were once received into his protection."

Author:  Zed [ Thu May 06, 2021 2:42 pm ]
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david.d wrote:
We need to do the job tomorrow and get to the final.
Will be unbearable watching us play against Utd.
Would be so nervous.
Couldnt take another Chelsea Baku style hammering.

Indeed David a must win this time. Actually 2 years on being in another EL final is commendable if it happens.

Author:  TOP GUN [ Thu May 06, 2021 5:35 pm ]
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Interesting line up. Lots of creativity in midfield

Author:  Rich [ Thu May 06, 2021 5:41 pm ]
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Leno, Bellerin, Holding, Mari, Xhaka, Partey, Saka, Smith Rowe, Ødegaard, Pépé, Aubameyang

Not certain who plays where in that line up

Author:  Rich [ Thu May 06, 2021 6:14 pm ]
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Tierney and Lacazette both make the bench

Author:  Decaf [ Thu May 06, 2021 6:32 pm ]
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Rich wrote:
Leno, Bellerin, Holding, Mari, Xhaka, Partey, Saka, Smith Rowe, Ødegaard, Pépé, Aubameyang

Not certain who plays where in that line up

Guessing ...

Bellerin, Holding, Mari, Saka
........Partey ... Xhaka
..............Ødegaard
Smith Rowe Aubameyang ..... Pépé

Author:  gooner7 [ Thu May 06, 2021 6:48 pm ]
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We must come out firing on all cylinders. No holding back. Getting the first goal early is key. 3-0 is a likely score.

Author:  Hazuki [ Thu May 06, 2021 6:59 pm ]
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Tierney at left back, not Xhaka.

Author:  long time gooner [ Thu May 06, 2021 6:59 pm ]
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Xhaka injured in warm up! Tierney starts. Let’s hope that works out then.

Author:  Rich [ Thu May 06, 2021 7:05 pm ]
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long time gooner wrote:
Xhaka injured in warm up! Tierney starts. Let’s hope that works out then.

It is such a rare occurrence that a player gets injured in the warm up but it seems to happen to us a disproportionate amount of times even considering how much our injury record has improved.

Author:  Parkerknoll Gooner [ Thu May 06, 2021 7:08 pm ]
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Ceballos suspended and Xhaka injured in warm up, I have a good feeling about this, gods are smiling on us.

Author:  Rich [ Thu May 06, 2021 7:15 pm ]
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Partey almost lobs Leno from 40 yards!

Author:  long time gooner [ Thu May 06, 2021 7:18 pm ]
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gooner7 wrote:
We must come out firing on all cylinders. No holding back. Getting the first goal early is key. 3-0 is a likely score.

How’s that working out then?

Author:  Ash [ Thu May 06, 2021 7:18 pm ]
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Rich wrote:
Partey almost lobs Leno from 40 yards!


Best shot from distance he’s had so far! :laughing7:

Author:  long time gooner [ Thu May 06, 2021 7:18 pm ]
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Rich wrote:
Partey almost lobs Leno from 40 yards!

Shades of Lee Dixon. Lives long in the memory.

Author:  Ash [ Thu May 06, 2021 7:20 pm ]
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long time gooner wrote:
gooner7 wrote:
We must come out firing on all cylinders. No holding back. Getting the first goal early is key. 3-0 is a likely score.

How’s that working out then?


Gooner7 omitted to say ‘early’ is up to 44 minutes :emoticon_mClapp:

Author:  long time gooner [ Thu May 06, 2021 7:21 pm ]
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Ash wrote:
long time gooner wrote:
How’s that working out then?


Gooner7 omitted to say ‘early’ is up to 44 minutes :emoticon_mClapp:

:58big-emoticons:

Author:  Lincoln gooner [ Thu May 06, 2021 7:22 pm ]
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Villarreal looking much too comfortable at the moment.

Author:  Ash [ Thu May 06, 2021 7:23 pm ]
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Bellerin has been really poor so far. Lost the ball in terrible positions on multiple occasions.

Author:  gooner7 [ Thu May 06, 2021 7:24 pm ]
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Ash wrote:
long time gooner wrote:
How’s that working out then?


Gooner7 omitted to say ‘early’ is up to 44 minutes :emoticon_mClapp:


I meant 89th min :icon_mrgreen:

Author:  Ash [ Thu May 06, 2021 7:25 pm ]
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gooner7 wrote:
Ash wrote:

Gooner7 omitted to say ‘early’ is up to 44 minutes :emoticon_mClapp:


I meant 89th min :icon_mrgreen:


If that’s the first goal we win it! But all the fans would be dead.

Worth the cost.

Author:  gooner7 [ Thu May 06, 2021 7:25 pm ]
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Ash wrote:
Bellerin has been really poor so far. Lost the ball in terrible positions on multiple occasions.


I worry whenever he has the ball. He is no longer good enough. Where was he when Saka needed help earlier?

Author:  long time gooner [ Thu May 06, 2021 7:26 pm ]
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Aaaaaahhh. Post by Aubameyang. Nice effort.

Author:  Lincoln gooner [ Thu May 06, 2021 7:27 pm ]
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Finally a threat on their goal, good effort Aubameyang.

Author:  Ash [ Thu May 06, 2021 7:27 pm ]
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Ash wrote:

But all the fans would be dead.
.


And of course not immune from criticism just because of that! :laughing7:

Author:  gooner7 [ Thu May 06, 2021 7:28 pm ]
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Ash wrote:
gooner7 wrote:

I meant 89th min :icon_mrgreen:


If that’s the first goal we win it! But all the fans would be dead.

Worth the cost.


And the goal will be from Coquellin, his gift to us.

Author:  Rich [ Thu May 06, 2021 7:28 pm ]
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We've not started that well, very loose in possession. Yet again, teams put on a high press and we don't put any balls over the top to turn their defence.
A high press from the midfield means the defence has to also come higher to avoid huge gaps between the lines, which means space in behind.

Author:  Decaf [ Thu May 06, 2021 7:28 pm ]
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long time gooner wrote:
gooner7 wrote:
We must come out firing on all cylinders. No holding back. Getting the first goal early is key. 3-0 is a likely score.

How’s that working out then?

At last, a semblance of a shot!

Author:  gooner7 [ Thu May 06, 2021 7:29 pm ]
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So close Aubameyang

Author:  Decaf [ Thu May 06, 2021 7:30 pm ]
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gooner7 wrote:
Ash wrote:

Gooner7 omitted to say ‘early’ is up to 44 minutes :emoticon_mClapp:


I meant 89th min :icon_mrgreen:

That is an early goal, in the sense that its not too late :laughing7:

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