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Author:  Rich [ Mon Dec 18, 2023 11:13 am ]
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Gunfire wrote:
Nunez gets booked for a tackle and kicks the ball away. 1 yellow no subsequent yellow. Dalot gets booked twice for dissent. In the "fog of war" mistakes are made. There is no grand conspiracy against any team.

So Liverpool got a big one in their favour due to the rank inconsistency of officials. Its a shame we don't ever seem to benefit from these margin 50/50 calls, or at least the balance is heavily skewed. If the mistakes are just random why do we rarely benefit, or if we do where are the examples?
What decisions this season have had our opponents seething that Arsenal got away with one (penalty, red card or goal) where the decision could have gone one way or the other - 'seen them given' type ones?

Often its small things, even at the weekend, plenty of opportunity to book Milner for multiple fouls on Saka, Ben White then takes the first yellow card of the game and the ref was absolutely not going to book Mitoma for the same type of foul on Saka until the crowd and Arteta started making such a big deal over it. The crowd did the refs job for him.

Of course I don't believe refs are going out there thinking I am purposely going to try to make Arsenal lose this game, but there is something there with certain teams and players. Are we to believe that any of England's leading internationals and the prem's highest profile players would have taken 2 yellow cards in the way Dalot did? That's not mistakes, it is treating players differently. if Kane were still in the league I doubt he'd get 1 yellow for that, or if he had got the first it would have been a talking to at worst after that.

Author:  Gunfire [ Mon Dec 18, 2023 11:13 am ]
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Porto.

Author:  Rich [ Mon Dec 18, 2023 11:14 am ]
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Porto v Arsenal in the Champions League

Author:  Rich [ Mon Dec 18, 2023 11:40 am ]
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Critical league run coming up with 4 games sandwiched between the two Liverpool games. The 4 between are West Ham and Palace at home, and Forest and Fulham away. I'd take 10 points from 12 in those 4 games if we can take 4 points off Liverpool.

Author:  Rich [ Mon Dec 18, 2023 11:45 am ]
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Havertz has been sat on 4 yellow cards for 6 games now and hasn't got his 5th that would give him a 1 game ban. 2 more league games is then the cut off point. The next trigger is to get to 10 yellows before the end of the season which gives a 2 game ban.
We've been very disciplined this season with Gabriel, Saliba and Rice only picking up 3 yellow cards between them so far in the league this season.

Author:  AmericanGooner [ Mon Dec 18, 2023 11:54 am ]
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socrates wrote:
Do you ever actually read anyone's posts?.

Its stating the bleeding obvious but Martinelli was signed before Edu and Gabriel and Jesus were hardly exploiting the south american market.

Gees, get your brain in gear before you wade in with your size 10s.


Also, Jesus was already an EPL player, we got Gabriel Magalhaes from Lille. I assume you meant directly from the South American/Brazilian leagues. Of the 3, Martinelli was the only one we got direct. With us having someone who is Brazilian but also has played for the club he's recruiting for, a big name club at that, I agree that I'd have thought we'd have an edge in that market.

Author:  AmericanGooner [ Mon Dec 18, 2023 11:58 am ]
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Rich wrote:
Porto v Arsenal in the Champions League

We should fancy our chances. A decent draw. City have it easy.

Author:  TOP GUN [ Mon Dec 18, 2023 12:08 pm ]
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AmericanGooner wrote:
socrates wrote:
Do you ever actually read anyone's posts?.

Its stating the bleeding obvious but Martinelli was signed before Edu and Gabriel and Jesus were hardly exploiting the south american market.

Gees, get your brain in gear before you wade in with your size 10s.


Also, Jesus was already an EPL player, we got Gabriel Magalhaes from Lille. I assume you meant directly from the South American/Brazilian leagues. Of the 3, Martinelli was the only one we got direct. With us having someone who is Brazilian but also has played for the club he's recruiting for, a big name club at that, I agree that I'd have thought we'd have an edge in that market.

Bit silly to give Edu grief when he’s responsible for signing martinelli for a paltry 6 million. That’s nothing.

Gab is an absolute class player. It’s divvy to suggest we haven’t had a touch thanks to Edu

There will be more Brazilians rocking up I’m sure but there are also considerations when signing players from South America. How many can you have.

Author:  Rich [ Mon Dec 18, 2023 12:13 pm ]
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Anyone see the end of the Brentford v Villa game? A brawl between both sides, both managers yellow carded, 10 players yellow carded and Emi Martinez and Neal Maupay trying to outdo each other for being the biggest pr*ck on the pitch......but...but....but Arteta waved his hands around again and got yellow carded!

Author:  Rich [ Mon Dec 18, 2023 12:16 pm ]
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TOP GUN wrote:
AmericanGooner wrote:

Also, Jesus was already an EPL player, we got Gabriel Magalhaes from Lille. I assume you meant directly from the South American/Brazilian leagues. Of the 3, Martinelli was the only one we got direct. With us having someone who is Brazilian but also has played for the club he's recruiting for, a big name club at that, I agree that I'd have thought we'd have an edge in that market.

Bit silly to give Edu grief when he’s responsible for signing martinelli for a paltry 6 million. That’s nothing.

Gab is an absolute class player. It’s divvy to suggest we haven’t had a touch thanks to Edu

There will be more Brazilians rocking up I’m sure but there are also considerations when signing players from South America. How many can you have.

It would be interesting to see how many of these young south americans, and particularly brazilians end up coming straight to the premier league in the first instance. It always seems to be that the portuguese and spanish clubs have more initial attraction which would be understandable for language, culture, weather etc

Author:  TOP GUN [ Mon Dec 18, 2023 12:19 pm ]
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Rich wrote:
Anyone see the end of the Brentford v Villa game? A brawl between both sides, both managers yellow carded, 10 players yellow carded and Emi Martinez and Neal Maupay trying to outdo each other for being the biggest pr*ck on the pitch......but...but....but Arteta waved his hands around again and got yellow carded!

That was ridiculous

It was like how many times do they get to kick Saka and he lost it.

Author:  Rich [ Mon Dec 18, 2023 12:32 pm ]
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Interesting goings on at Chelsea. Some strong rumours that Chelsea are looking to offload Conor Gallagher asap simply because they need to register the 'pure' and maximum profit for FFP which an academy player would give them. Chelsea fans don't seem happy that Gallagher seems to be the fall guy for FFP compliance.

I'm completely here with my popcorn for the continual mess and downfall of Chelsea FC

Author:  Rich [ Mon Dec 18, 2023 12:40 pm ]
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We're playing Liverpool 3 times in our next 7 games. Twice in the league and the FA Cup tie sandwiched inbetween

Author:  Rich [ Mon Dec 18, 2023 12:48 pm ]
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Interesting to hear the comments from De Zerbie, some Brighton players and also the Brighton fans after our game with them.

Generally it seemed to be, no one has done that to Brighton for a while. Yes they've lost games but they haven't been dominated as we did. We didn't let Brighton play their game, or we strangled them. Arteta has clearly learnt from previous games against them - even playing them away last year was a hectic game of transitions, then at home we didn't get our off the ball work right and Brighton played through our half baked press too easily.

This is the Arsenal Arteta wanted this season. Earlier in the season we bemoaned the lack of attacking and goals, we weren't able to play our best forwards at that time, Havertz was still finding his feet and even Ødegaard had a period carrying an injury. But we had control in games. I didn't like the idea that games were tight and could turn on a moment, but now we've fixed a bit going forward we have that control and we're creating the chances - now we need to finish them, because in games like Lens or PSV we were clinical. At the moment we've giving up so few chances, and so few good quality chances in games. We concede from set pieces, mistakes or transitions - but very very rarely concede in open play from being under pressure. I watch us play and think 'a goal is coming', but don't think that for our opponents.

I think injuries will be the biggest factor in our season because everything else feels like it is falling in to place with how Arteta wants it

Author:  Rich [ Mon Dec 18, 2023 4:06 pm ]
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Champions league dates confirmed + the prem games before and after
Burnley (a)
21st Feb Porto v Arsenal
Newcastle (h)
Brentford (h)
12th March Arsenal v Porto
Chelsea (h)

4 teams who don't have european football - at least we've got 2 home games for the games immediately after when the legs are tired. No one currently injured will still be injured by the time these games come around - there are some reports that Timber is well on schedule to be available by february....!

Author:  Rich [ Mon Dec 18, 2023 4:20 pm ]
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Looking back at some incidents at the weekend, Raul Jimenez was sent off for jumping in to a challenge on a Newcastle player and his hip connecting with the Newcastle players head, dangerous play, free kick and red card.......but what about when Robert Sanchez did the same to Jesus in the Chelsea v Arsenal game? We were told it wasn't a penalty, let alone a potential red card. GK flying out, doesn't win the ball and his hip collides with some force on the opponents head. Even if you think there is some degree of subjectivity which would preclude Sanchez being sent off for it compared to Jimenez it was an absolute minimum a foul and therefore a penalty.

When Howard Webb does his show they need someone other than Michael Owen bringing up these kind of almost identical situations and asking to explain the lack of consistency in decision making. In this we're talking about a final decision for 2 incidents where the decision wasn't even just 1 step on the punishment scale. One is deemed not even a foul and the other a straight red card.

Author:  Rich [ Mon Dec 18, 2023 4:25 pm ]
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A tight offside call against Wolves. Now I do think he is offside - by the naked eye, but where they have drawn the red line for the furthest part forward on the attacking (the goalscorer) seems quite off for me - how big do they think his foot is?

bring in the semi automated offsides as soon as possible. yes you might be offside by 0.5mm but the act of drawing the lines will be taken away from the human interpretation

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Author:  Rich [ Mon Dec 18, 2023 4:57 pm ]
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So how many points will win the title this year? In recent years the benchmark has been 'over 90' Last year City won with 89 points. We're on target for 87 points if we repeat our 17 game form over the remaining 21 games.
City sit on 34 points and would need to go at 17 wins and 4 draws and 0 defeats from their remaining 21 games to reach last year's points total. They are the sort of team that can easily go on that run.

This year I don't think it will take over 90 or close to 90 points. I think our total of 84 from last year would be very very close this year - maybe a couple of points shy.
For us to get to 84 points from the remaining 21 games we could do:
W15 D0 L6
W14 D3 L3
W13 D6 L2

Author:  Rich [ Mon Dec 18, 2023 6:01 pm ]
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According to reports, Paulo Xavier has left his role as Real Madrid’s Latin America scout to join Arsenal. Timely bit of news considering the debate on here about edu not using his Brazil connections to bring us many talented SA youngsters

Author:  TOP GUN [ Mon Dec 18, 2023 6:51 pm ]
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Rich wrote:
According to reports, Paulo Xavier has left his role as Real Madrid’s Latin America scout to join Arsenal. Timely bit of news considering the debate on here about edu not using his Brazil connections to bring us many talented SA youngsters

That useless bugger Edu trying to compensate for his own failures again. Signing 4 Brazilians and bidding for an 5th isn’t good enough we wanted 8.

Get out of our club you fraud ! :14laughter:

Author:  Rich [ Mon Dec 18, 2023 8:30 pm ]
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Been reading a few tactical reports of the Arsenal c Brighton game and Arteta got it spot on and had a surprise up his sleeve.
Brighton want to invite the press to play through you, Arsenal went for this and pressed man for man, high and aggressive, if Brighton went long they had players like Gabriel tracking the striker all but in to their own defensive third. It was that aggressive and brave against one of the best teams to beat the press. That needs total concentration and total commitment from all 11 on our side.

When we had the ball we pushed Havertz on which dragged Gross in to almost the back line and freed space for others. We inverted a full back where Brighton didn’t which gave us the overloads in playing out.

Interestingly when we went longer to bypass the press we had Havertz and Jesus drop in short knowing both CB would follow them to try to win the ball high and then bought Martinelli and Saka in off the wings in to central areas for the longer pass knowing that they both had the physical beating of the full backs they were up against who would drift inside with them.

Teams just haven’t been able to have that level of control in a game v Brighton for a long time.

Author:  Bored [ Mon Dec 18, 2023 9:11 pm ]
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Anyone going to Porto?

Author:  Ash [ Mon Dec 18, 2023 9:12 pm ]
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Terry Henry wrote:
Ash wrote:

Hi Terry, I guess you didn’t see my answer to John1 who said the same thing earlier.

No I didn’t. But agree with him that you must be about 10 years old. When Rice has performed for 5+ seasons, maybe we’ll talk again!


Cool. So you don’t even know what I said. I know not to talk to you again.

Author:  TOP GUN [ Mon Dec 18, 2023 10:16 pm ]
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Ash wrote:
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/liverpool-paul-merson-transfers-szoboszlai-30951172.amp

Football pundit Paul Merson has lauded Liverpool new boy Dominik Szoboszlai and claims that the midfielder is the best signing any Premier League side made this summer

He’s had too many CBD gummies then.

Author:  TOP GUN [ Mon Dec 18, 2023 10:39 pm ]
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By the way Ash is right and certainly not deserving of divvy comments in that we have never had a player like Declan Rice before, certainly not in my Arsenal supporting life. Not saying he’s better than Vieira by any means but in terms of what he brings to the team it’s kind of unique.

His skill set seems to sit somewhere between Vieira and Roy Keane (fractionally closer to Keanes I’d say) but Patrick had Gilberto or Petit to cover him where as Rice seems to run our midfield practically single handed flanked by 2 number 10s in Ødegaard and Havertz. Yet despite this he still seems to add value in attacking areas. He just doesn’t waste the ball at all and also doesn’t seem to make errors and his temperament and timing considering he makes so many tackles is remarkable. Only 1 yellow all season.

We’ve had solid defensive midfield types like Davis, Williams and Richardson and cultured midfield players like Thomas and cazorla but never a player with such a specific quality.

I think our midfield 3 are starting to click but Rice is absolutely paramount to the success we are having controlling games.

Author:  Decaf [ Tue Dec 19, 2023 5:32 am ]
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Rich wrote:
Gunfire wrote:
Nunez gets booked for a tackle and kicks the ball away. 1 yellow no subsequent yellow. Dalot gets booked twice for dissent. In the "fog of war" mistakes are made. There is no grand conspiracy against any team.

So Liverpool got a big one in their favour due to the rank inconsistency of officials. Its a shame we don't ever seem to benefit from these margin 50/50 calls, or at least the balance is heavily skewed. If the mistakes are just random why do we rarely benefit, or if we do where are the examples?
What decisions this season have had our opponents seething that Arsenal got away with one (penalty, red card or goal) where the decision could have gone one way or the other - 'seen them given' type ones?

Often its small things, even at the weekend, plenty of opportunity to book Milner for multiple fouls on Saka, Ben White then takes the first yellow card of the game and the ref was absolutely not going to book Mitoma for the same type of foul on Saka until the crowd and Arteta started making such a big deal over it. The crowd did the refs job for him.

Of course I don't believe refs are going out there thinking I am purposely going to try to make Arsenal lose this game, but there is something there with certain teams and players. Are we to believe that any of England's leading internationals and the prem's highest profile players would have taken 2 yellow cards in the way Dalot did? That's not mistakes, it is treating players differently. if Kane were still in the league I doubt he'd get 1 yellow for that, or if he had got the first it would have been a talking to at worst after that.


The ref seemed to be following a policy of giving the Brighton players verbal warnings before booking them, then not applying this to Arsenal players. He was evidently planning to continue with this until the crowd reaction convinced him to book Mitoma. Then he seemed to book Arteta to save face.

It was all very odd.

Author:  Decaf [ Tue Dec 19, 2023 6:10 am ]
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TOP GUN wrote:
By the way Ash is right and certainly not deserving of divvy comments in that we have never had a player like Declan Rice before, certainly not in my Arsenal supporting life. Not saying he’s better than Vieira by any means but in terms of what he brings to the team it’s kind of unique.

His skill set seems to sit somewhere between Vieira and Roy Keane (fractionally closer to Keanes I’d say) but Patrick had Gilberto or Petit to cover him where as Rice seems to run our midfield practically single handed flanked by 2 number 10s in Ødegaard and Havertz. Yet despite this he still seems to add value in attacking areas. He just doesn’t waste the ball at all and also doesn’t seem to make errors and his temperament and timing considering he makes so many tackles is remarkable. Only 1 yellow all season.

We’ve had solid defensive midfield types like Davis, Williams and Richardson and cultured midfield players like Thomas and cazorla but never a player with such a specific quality.

I think our midfield 3 are starting to click but Rice is absolutely paramount to the success we are having controlling games.


Credit needs to go to the rest of the team who are creating the conditions for him to thrive. Our forwards are pressing so well and Saliba and Gabriel and playing high up the pitch and depriving opposition attacking players of any oxygen (and are brilliant at mopping up if they do get a sniff). Declan Rice is the master of exploiting this pressurized midfield zone and acting as a one man midfield, and is getting better and better in his use of the ball.

Two games running the opposition have talked about 'suffering' against us. I think this is mostly because of how relentlessly good we've been out of possession. But that is also due to teams feeling that if they turn over possession to us they are in deep *(U*%&. Not only are Martinelli and Saka terrifying, Rice is showing his ability to drive through the middle, giving us that extra dimension.

Author:  AmericanGooner [ Tue Dec 19, 2023 7:58 am ]
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I'm always worried going to Anfield. We haven't won there in years and we've been hammered a few times in that time.
I am a wee bit more confident going there of at least a draw. No way we should have threw away a 2 - 0 lead last season. You don't go up 2-0 up within a half hour or so at Anfield too often. Very rarely done. This time around I think its going to be a fairly open, end to end game. Liverpool has to go for the win. A draw at home won't be enough for them.

The kind of football we've been playing lately, makes me think we can nick a win. It just depends on how we play with a lead. If we go down a goal first, I'll settle for a draw. Can't see us pressing and not conceding a goal there. They have too many weapons that can hit you on the counter in seconds.

Which brings up to Zinchenko. We're exposed with him at LB. He brings a lot to the attack from that position but we have a few weapons in attack that he's not a requirement I think. We have to be solid across the back line. Especially down our left flank.

Author:  AmericanGooner [ Tue Dec 19, 2023 8:04 am ]
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I would not be surprised to see Man Utd drop points at West Ham. Everton have 4 wins on the trot. That point deduction has put a fire under them. So, I am hoping they can take points at Tottenham.

I like Villa. I'd love it it if they finished 2nd to us in the league.

Author:  Rich [ Tue Dec 19, 2023 9:23 am ]
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AmericanGooner wrote:
I would not be surprised to see Man Utd drop points at West Ham. Everton have 4 wins on the trot. That point deduction has put a fire under them. So, I am hoping they can take points at Tottenham.

I like Villa. I'd love it it if they finished 2nd to us in the league.

There is always some luck in how the fixtures play out depending on who you meet and what form they are in. We played Everton pre points deduction and got a 1-0 win at their place, a result with their form right now that any team in the league would bite your hand off for, they are flying now.

As it stands Arsenal, City, Liverpool are the 3 favourites to go right to the end, but after that Spurs and Villa are clear from the rest because both have shown that even with players missing they have the system set up to win games and other players can slot in. Big injuries and fatigue will be vital for all of those teams

Author:  Rich [ Tue Dec 19, 2023 10:22 am ]
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“Who is the current Premier League player that resembles your playstyle?”
Dimitar Berbatov: “First name popping into my mind is Kai Havertz.”

This guy is rated by so many managers and players.

Author:  Rich [ Tue Dec 19, 2023 11:25 am ]
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This season Arsenal have limited Manchester City, Newcastle and Brighton all to only one shot on target across the full 90 minutes.

This is the Arteta masterplan for the season. 43 goals conceded last year, you can't win titles with that many goals conceded

Author:  Rich [ Tue Dec 19, 2023 11:29 am ]
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Some other bits of news.

Apparently Brentford and Palace are keen on Nketiah, Arsenal want £40m. I'd definitely take that as long as we replace him.

Xhaka will be coming back to watch an Arsenal game v West Ham (Germany have their winter break) - a chance to say goodbye to the players and staff. Hopefully enough of the crowd know he's there too so they can thank him too

Author:  Rich [ Tue Dec 19, 2023 11:36 am ]
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Liverpool have injury problems for their game v us - although whenever I get my hopes up about these things before a big game they all seem to miraculously recover.
Anyway - reported out are:
Robertson, Matip, Jota, Thiago (I think those should definitely be out) and also MacAllister and Gravenbach.

Their back 4 and Gk picks itself just likes ours at the moment. Similar with the front 3, Salah/Nunez/Diaz (possibly Gakpo). If all those above are out then I'd expect their midfield to be Endo, Szlobaszlai, Jones. Our our midfield of Rice, Havertz, Ødegaard 'should' destroy that!

Author:  gooner7 [ Tue Dec 19, 2023 12:16 pm ]
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Rich wrote:
Some other bits of news.

Apparently Brentford and Palace are keen on Nketiah, Arsenal want £40m. I'd definitely take that as long as we replace him.

Xhaka will be coming back to watch an Arsenal game v West Ham (Germany have their winter break) - a chance to say goodbye to the players and staff. Hopefully enough of the crowd know he's there too so they can thank him too


Nketiah to Brentford or Palace is beneficial to all 3 parties, player, new club and Arsenal. Please let it happen.

Wonderful for Xhaka if he gets all the love from Arsenal fans, he deserves it :58big-emoticons:

Author:  AmericanGooner [ Tue Dec 19, 2023 12:26 pm ]
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Rich wrote:
AmericanGooner wrote:
I would not be surprised to see Man Utd drop points at West Ham. Everton have 4 wins on the trot. That point deduction has put a fire under them. So, I am hoping they can take points at Tottenham.

I like Villa. I'd love it it if they finished 2nd to us in the league.

There is always some luck in how the fixtures play out depending on who you meet and what form they are in. We played Everton pre points deduction and got a 1-0 win at their place, a result with their form right now that any team in the league would bite your hand off for, they are flying now.

As it stands Arsenal, City, Liverpool are the 3 favourites to go right to the end, but after that Spurs and Villa are clear from the rest because both have shown that even with players missing they have the system set up to win games and other players can slot in. Big injuries and fatigue will be vital for all of those teams


I definitely agree on the assessment of who the favorites are. The surprise is who is not in there and Newcastle comes to mind. I saw a podcast they are having trouble trying to navigate CL football and the EPL because the level of play is much higher in the CL than the Europa, for example that they can't rotate players as much and they have play harder. I don't know if there is any veracity in that but it sounds logical.

I love Nketiah. I'd like to see him stay in London as I assume his family would prefer that. 40 million is a nice amount and I can't see Arteta not buying for that position. I think Nketiah has got a good future in the league at this level. He won't be Henry but no one is expecting that. I was hoping Willock would be better for Newcastle as well. Liked him.

Author:  TOP GUN [ Tue Dec 19, 2023 12:41 pm ]
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On the Nketiah thing the reason why there may be some truth behind it is the same reason Chelsea are looking to sell Connor Gallagher in that FFP has some strange rule that selling academy players is considered pure profit and frees up space to sign other new players on amortised contracts.

For me Eddie to Brentford makes sense. Would get the minutes he wants and we can upgrade our forward line.

Author:  Rich [ Tue Dec 19, 2023 12:46 pm ]
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AmericanGooner wrote:
Rich wrote:
There is always some luck in how the fixtures play out depending on who you meet and what form they are in. We played Everton pre points deduction and got a 1-0 win at their place, a result with their form right now that any team in the league would bite your hand off for, they are flying now.

As it stands Arsenal, City, Liverpool are the 3 favourites to go right to the end, but after that Spurs and Villa are clear from the rest because both have shown that even with players missing they have the system set up to win games and other players can slot in. Big injuries and fatigue will be vital for all of those teams


I definitely agree on the assessment of who the favorites are. The surprise is who is not in there and Newcastle comes to mind. I saw a podcast they are having trouble trying to navigate CL football and the EPL because the level of play is much higher in the CL than the Europa, for example that they can't rotate players as much and they have play harder. I don't know if there is any veracity in that but it sounds logical.

I love Nketiah. I'd like to see him stay in London as I assume his family would prefer that. 40 million is a nice amount and I can't see Arteta not buying for that position. I think Nketiah has got a good future in the league at this level. He won't be Henry but no one is expecting that. I was hoping Willock would be better for Newcastle as well. Liked him.

I think Newcastle struggled in Europe for a number of reasons:
1) they had a really tough group - this is probably the biggest reason
2) the players aren't used to games every 3 days and every game being a big game
3) their prem style is fast pace physicality isn't always suited to europe - it blew PSG away in their home game but other games suited a more technical and controlled approach, and refs will whistle for physicality more in europe
4) they had a little bit of bad luck in the away game v PSG, handball in the last minute was a bit rotton.

Lets see what Arteta does now because he still has to prove himself in europan knock out games as we've limped out of europa a few times on his watch. I think the approach this term to be less crazy fast paced and transition based games, changing to a game based on control, suffocation and not giving your opponents anything at all is partly driven by what it takes in european knock out ties

Author:  Rich [ Tue Dec 19, 2023 12:55 pm ]
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TOP GUN wrote:
On the Nketiah thing the reason why there may be some truth behind it is the same reason Chelsea are looking to sell Connor Gallagher in that FFP has some strange rule that selling academy players is considered pure profit and frees up space to sign other new players on amortised contracts.

For me Eddie to Brentford makes sense. Would get the minutes he wants and we can upgrade our forward line.

Exactly. If we sold Nketiah for £40m that is £40m pure profit in the plus column of balancing the books. In theory you could then sign a player for £200m on a 5 year deal in the minus side of the column because the £200m is amortised over the length of the contract to only count as £40m this season - so books are balanced for FFP.
Obviously you keep having 4 x more £40m in the minus column for the next 4 years which you have to balance, but it shows a simplified way clubs are being creative with their spending. The same would be true (or similar) for a player who's initial transfer fee has essentially already been paid off over the length of their initial contract.

Author:  Ash [ Tue Dec 19, 2023 4:28 pm ]
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TOP GUN wrote:
Ash wrote:
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/liverpool-paul-merson-transfers-szoboszlai-30951172.amp

Football pundit Paul Merson has lauded Liverpool new boy Dominik Szoboszlai and claims that the midfielder is the best signing any Premier League side made this summer

He’s had too many CBD gummies then.


Yes probably :laughing7: but to be fair to him this was about 6 games in when Kai was hitting air shots and Szobozlai was looking amazing and everyone was talking about his small feet and some weird form of foot binding they do in Hungary with young players with too small boots as if that’s all fine!!

I put this as an example of pundits saying szobozlai was the signing of the summer, if Merse is saying it you know it’s not a unique thought. Unless it’s Merse doing a Merse in some other bananas way.

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