Steve Gleibers Arsenal Forum :: View topic

dec wrote:

Scott Quinell should never be allowed in front to a mic again

Kieran Read's daughter should though, she was hilarious trying to drink the rain.

Alexis Sanchez edges closer to £50m Arsenal exit after agreeing terms with Manchester City

http://metro.co.uk/2017/07/08/alexis-sanchez-edges-closer-to-50m-arsenal-exit-after-agreeing-terms-with-manchester-city-6764703/

warrior wrote:

If Lukaku is worth £75m then surely Sanchez is worth more than that.

Should Wenger/Arsenal hold out for more?

warrior wrote:

If Lukaku is worth £75m then surely Sanchez is worth more than that.

Should Wenger/Arsenal hold out for more?

If we get £50m for Sanchez, I don't think it's a bad price for a 28 year old who's only twelve months from a Bosman...

Hey Kiwi,

Did you watch the rugby match? Sky completely lost the plot in terms of hype. Your lads were outstanding for 30mins but the number of knock-ons was ridiculous. Sort of fitting that the series (which has been hugely underwhelming) ended with a fudged refereeing call and a draw.

How was that not a penalty for offside? He caught it so even if it was instinctive I think it's very harsh on the ABs. Felt sorry for Kieran Read but respect to him for his reaction on the pitch and let's face it, it kind of reverses a ton of dodgy decisions that often go their way.

Messy series, how they can keep pretending it was some kind of unforgettable we-were-there experience is really odd.

By the way, on that very issue what happened to FFP? Looks like I was right when years ago I said it wouldn't have a material impact when many were hopeful about its long-term effects.

dec wrote:

yeah Dec ... I did as you rightly say very underwhelming ... a huge damp sqib of a series . refereeing decisions off the wall . The penalty to hand you guys the second test , the non penalty last night , the penalty against Brodie Retalliak for a head high ... it hit the guy in the chest FFS but that is no excuse ; we played very very poorly .
The amount of idiot flat passes thrown so our player collected the ball and two Lions at the same time was amazing .

It went out the window when UEFA allowed both City and PSG to basically get sponsored by their owners, PSG's commercial revenue is up there with United and Real Madrid, when they have a fan base of probably one twentieth the size but apparently that is normal..

Anyway if it had gone to court the lawyers would have tied UEFA up in knots in fairness, this is why I said all along the self sustaining model was flawed in the modern game, Usmanov all the way!.

Wilts-Gooner wrote:

Now that we know its not working, what does the club do to compete in this kind of environment?

Negotiating ploy. AW will settle for £60m.

He is after all the hottest target in the current transfer market.

I still think he'll make them a worse team........

bubblechris wrote:

Negotiating ploy. AW will settle for £60m.

He is after all the hottest target in the current transfer market.

I still think he'll make them a worse team........

I think your right, it's quite clear we are going to sell now. I can't imagine him and sterling in the same team, play similar roles.

...I do sympathize with one of the possible reasons being the squad lacks fight...

The cricket is shaping up interestingly. 331 to win. 50/50?

One things for sure we should be top of the league after we thrash Leicester on the opening day of the season.

AmericanGooner wrote:

...I do sympathize with one of the possible reasons being the squad lacks fight...

Really? Like City have been tigers over the last few seasons! Its nothing to do with fight, but all about money. Give him his reputed demand of 400k a week and see how he'll kiss that Arsenal badge.

bubblechris wrote:

One things for sure we should be top of the league after we thrash Leicester on the opening day of the season.

I'm unsure how sure it is we'll thrash Leicester. I'd be happy with a one goal win.

The cricket is shaping up interestingly. 331 to win. 50/50?

old man of hoy wrote:

Really? Like City have been tigers over the last few seasons! Its nothing to do with fight, but all about money. Give him his reputed demand of 400k a week and see how he'll kiss that Arsenal badge.

Indeed. His wage demands were too much for Bayern. If it was about anything apart from.money he would be with them now.

bubblechris wrote:

If Lukaku is worth £75m then surely Sanchez is worth more than that.

Should Wenger/Arsenal hold out for more?

£50m now or nothing next summer? Too risky to delay. There is only one way to go - and I say Geronimo.

They offer 50 ...we say 80 ...and settle for 58 .... think of it with that extra 8 million we can search for a replacement for Sanogo .

Author:	dec [ Sat Jul 08, 2017 12:05 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Supporters Forum
Daz wrote: dec wrote: Scott Quinell should never be allowed in front to a mic again Kieran Read's daughter should though, she was hilarious trying to drink the rain. I.missed that. Switched off straight away as I couldn't take anymore. You are right. It was definite penalty.

Author:	AmericanGooner [ Sat Jul 08, 2017 12:29 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Supporters Forum
Patrick Kluivert's son Justin is not too shabby for an 18 yo. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRAzIlLiJu8

Author:	warrior [ Sat Jul 08, 2017 5:13 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Supporters Forum
Alexis Sanchez edges closer to £50m Arsenal exit after agreeing terms with Manchester City http://metro.co.uk/2017/07/08/alexis-sanchez-edges-closer-to-50m-arsenal-exit-after-agreeing-terms-with-manchester-city-6764703/

Author:	bubblechris [ Sat Jul 08, 2017 6:53 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Supporters Forum
warrior wrote: Alexis Sanchez edges closer to £50m Arsenal exit after agreeing terms with Manchester City http://metro.co.uk/2017/07/08/alexis-sanchez-edges-closer-to-50m-arsenal-exit-after-agreeing-terms-with-manchester-city-6764703/ If Lukaku is worth £75m then surely Sanchez is worth more than that. Should Wenger/Arsenal hold out for more?

Author:	Bernard1 [ Sat Jul 08, 2017 7:12 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Supporters Forum
bubblechris wrote: warrior wrote: Alexis Sanchez edges closer to £50m Arsenal exit after agreeing terms with Manchester City http://metro.co.uk/2017/07/08/alexis-sanchez-edges-closer-to-50m-arsenal-exit-after-agreeing-terms-with-manchester-city-6764703/ If Lukaku is worth £75m then surely Sanchez is worth more than that. Should Wenger/Arsenal hold out for more? Lukaku's four years younger, which will come into the equation. Having said that, Sanchez can control the ball which also comes into the equation. If we get £50m for Sanchez, I don't think it's a bad price for a 28 year old who's only twelve months from a Bosman. I wonder if most big clubs would rather wait a season to get him for nothing. City are an exception because they're so stinking rich. By the way, on that very issue what happened to FFP? Looks like I was right when years ago I said it wouldn't have a material impact when many were hopeful about its long-term effects.

Steve Gleibers Arsenal Forum https://stevegleiber.com/forum/

Supporters Forum https://stevegleiber.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=6	Page 7320 of 9779

Author:	old man of hoy [ Sat Jul 08, 2017 8:27 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Supporters Forum
bubblechris wrote: warrior wrote: Alexis Sanchez edges closer to £50m Arsenal exit after agreeing terms with Manchester City http://metro.co.uk/2017/07/08/alexis-sanchez-edges-closer-to-50m-arsenal-exit-after-agreeing-terms-with-manchester-city-6764703/ If Lukaku is worth £75m then surely Sanchez is worth more than that. Should Wenger/Arsenal hold out for more? £50m now or nothing next summer? Too risky to delay. There is only one way to go - and I say Geronimo.

Author:	AmericanGooner [ Sat Jul 08, 2017 8:54 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Supporters Forum
warrior wrote: Alexis Sanchez edges closer to £50m Arsenal exit after agreeing terms with Manchester City http://metro.co.uk/2017/07/08/alexis-sanchez-edges-closer-to-50m-arsenal-exit-after-agreeing-terms-with-manchester-city-6764703/ We're the City feeder club now. Nasri, Clichy, Adebayor? Wasn't sure if he went there first, he's been everywhere. We should get money and a player. If not Aguero, then perhaps another player from a position we could stand to strengthen.

Author:	kiwipete [ Sat Jul 08, 2017 10:19 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Supporters Forum
dec wrote: Hey Kiwi, Did you watch the rugby match? Sky completely lost the plot in terms of hype. Your lads were outstanding for 30mins but the number of knock-ons was ridiculous. Sort of fitting that the series (which has been hugely underwhelming) ended with a fudged refereeing call and a draw. yeah Dec ... I did as you rightly say very underwhelming ... a huge damp sqib of a series . refereeing decisions off the wall . The penalty to hand you guys the second test , the non penalty last night but that is no excuse ; we played very very poorly . The amount of idiot flat passes thrown so our player collected the ball and two Lions at the same time was amazing .

Author:	kiwipete [ Sat Jul 08, 2017 10:46 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Supporters Forum
Daz wrote: How was that not a penalty for offside? He caught it so even if it was instinctive I think it's very harsh on the ABs. Felt sorry for Kieran Read but respect to him for his reaction on the pitch and let's face it, it kind of reverses a ton of dodgy decisions that often go their way. Messy series, how they can keep pretending it was some kind of unforgettable we-were-there experience is really odd. Gidday Daz , totally agree on all counts ... our idiot commentators were saying what an exciting series .... really I thought it was f**&^ awful . We made so many collective errors , a lack of brain cells was evident , the sending off , too much aimless kicking . Last I couldn't help reflecting the loss of Carter , Mc Caw , Nonu and Conrad Smith all at the same time has finally come back to haunt us .

Author:	Wilts-Gooner [ Sat Jul 08, 2017 10:53 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Supporters Forum
Bernard wrote: By the way, on that very issue what happened to FFP? Looks like I was right when years ago I said it wouldn't have a material impact when many were hopeful about its long-term effects. It went out the window when UEFA allowed both City and PSG to basically get sponsored by their owners, PSG's commercial revenue is up there with United and Real Madrid, when they have a fan base of probably one twentieth the size but apparently that is normal.. Anyway if it had gone to court the lawyers would have tied UEFA up in knots in fairness, this is why I said all along the self sustaining model was flawed in the modern game, Usmanov all the way!.

Author:	kiwipete [ Sat Jul 08, 2017 11:09 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Supporters Forum
warrior wrote: Alexis Sanchez edges closer to £50m Arsenal exit after agreeing terms with Manchester City http://metro.co.uk/2017/07/08/alexis-sanchez-edges-closer-to-50m-arsenal-exit-after-agreeing-terms-with-manchester-city-6764703/ The whole " will he wont he " drama is similar to watching the same episode of Coronation St fifty times . ... just please f***^ off you greedy little Chilean egg , and take your llama , vicuna and guanacos with you . http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/ ... z-10761010 .....30 million more here

Author:	kiwipete [ Sat Jul 08, 2017 11:29 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Supporters Forum
kiwipete wrote: dec wrote: Hey Kiwi, Did you watch the rugby match? Sky completely lost the plot in terms of hype. Your lads were outstanding for 30mins but the number of knock-ons was ridiculous. Sort of fitting that the series (which has been hugely underwhelming) ended with a fudged refereeing call and a draw. yeah Dec ... I did as you rightly say very underwhelming ... a huge damp sqib of a series . refereeing decisions off the wall . The penalty to hand you guys the second test , the non penalty last night , the penalty against Brodie Retalliak for a head high ... it hit the guy in the chest FFS but that is no excuse ; we played very very poorly . The amount of idiot flat passes thrown so our player collected the ball and two Lions at the same time was amazing .

Author:	AmericanGooner [ Sun Jul 09, 2017 5:53 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Supporters Forum
Wilts-Gooner wrote: It went out the window when UEFA allowed both City and PSG to basically get sponsored by their owners, PSG's commercial revenue is up there with United and Real Madrid, when they have a fan base of probably one twentieth the size but apparently that is normal.. Anyway if it had gone to court the lawyers would have tied UEFA up in knots in fairness, this is why I said all along the self sustaining model was flawed in the modern game, Usmanov all the way!. Now that we know its not working, what does the club do to compete in this kind of environment?

Author:	Bernard1 [ Sun Jul 09, 2017 6:21 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Supporters Forum
AmericanGooner wrote: Wilts-Gooner wrote: It went out the window when UEFA allowed both City and PSG to basically get sponsored by their owners, PSG's commercial revenue is up there with United and Real Madrid, when they have a fan base of probably one twentieth the size but apparently that is normal.. Anyway if it had gone to court the lawyers would have tied UEFA up in knots in fairness, this is why I said all along the self sustaining model was flawed in the modern game, Usmanov all the way!. Now that we know its not working, what does the club do to compete in this kind of environment? When you ask what 'does' the club do, the answer for some or even many probably depends on whether you mean what 'will' the club do or what 'should' it do? I suspect loads of fans would suggest different options for either. If you mean 'will', so what one expects to occur, my guess would be nothing very different to what's happening at the moment, which a good number of fans will be happy about. If you mean 'should', so changes anyone wants to see, Wilts and others would clearly give an alternative response.

Author:	TOP GUN [ Sun Jul 09, 2017 11:48 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Supporters Forum
With regards to transfers Wengers comment about only bringing 2 in is clearly wrong. We've got lacazette and clearly want Lemar but if look at the following. Ox and jack will need to sign new deals now or leave the club Debuchy is in Leicester this weekend joining them on a free. Jenkinson is being let go Giroud looks to be off to Everton. Chesney and ospina look likely to go? What's going to happen with chambers? Gibbs has been left off the tour to find a new club. So as a bare minimum in addition to the 2 players in Lacazette and lemar I'd expect a new goalkeeper and a player who can cover right back coming in at the very least. I think the ox situation will resolve itself but if it doesn't we will need to also bring in a versatile midfielder. Don't be surprised if there's another 3 new signings.

Author:	warrior [ Sun Jul 09, 2017 8:19 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Supporters Forum
Arsenal demanding £80million from Manchester City to seal Alexis Sanchez transfer http://metro.co.uk/2017/07/08/arsenal-demanding-80million-from-manchester-city-to-seal-alexis-sanchez-transfer-6765263/

Author:	bubblechris [ Sun Jul 09, 2017 8:33 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Supporters Forum
Negotiating ploy. AW will settle for £60m. He is after all the hottest target in the current transfer market. I still think he'll make them a worse team........

Author:	Bernard1 [ Sun Jul 09, 2017 9:12 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Supporters Forum
bubblechris wrote: Negotiating ploy. AW will settle for £60m. He is after all the hottest target in the current transfer market. I still think he'll make them a worse team........ Asking £80m for a 28 year old with thus a rapidly decreasing resale value over the course of the contract he'll sign has to be a negotiating ploy. I'd be surprised if even City would pay that for a player they could get for nothing (in terms of a transfer fee) next summer.

Author:	AmericanGooner [ Sun Jul 09, 2017 9:25 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Supporters Forum
80 million is a nice number. I'd rather keep him but even if we managed to keep him, I'm a little cool on him. I do sympathize with one of the possible reasons being the squad lacks fight. But at least leave the league instead of going to a direct rival. 80 mil gives us enough time to afford almost anyone.

Author:	TOP GUN [ Sun Jul 09, 2017 9:42 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Supporters Forum
bubblechris wrote: Negotiating ploy. AW will settle for £60m. He is after all the hottest target in the current transfer market. I still think he'll make them a worse team........ I think your right, it's quite clear we are going to sell now. I can't imagine him and sterling in the same team, play similar roles.

Author:	Lincoln gooner [ Sun Jul 09, 2017 11:15 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Supporters Forum
TOP GUN wrote: bubblechris wrote: Negotiating ploy. AW will settle for £60m. He is after all the hottest target in the current transfer market. I still think he'll make them a worse team........ I think your right, it's quite clear we are going to sell now. I can't imagine him and sterling in the same team, play similar roles. I think we should sell, having got into this situation with his contract we haven't really got much choice. But I disagree that he'll make them a worse team - he's a world class player on a different level to the likes of Sterling. He'll make them better.

Author:	bubblechris [ Sun Jul 09, 2017 11:49 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Supporters Forum
along the lines of your first post will Lukaku make Rashford better or Martial? Will anyone in the man city forwards appreciate the arrival of the child Sanchez? Are you serious?

Author:	Decaf [ Sun Jul 09, 2017 1:33 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Supporters Forum
The cricket is shaping up interestingly. 331 to win. 50/50?

Author:	True Blue Gunner Gooner [ Sun Jul 09, 2017 2:05 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Supporters Forum
Lemar also in!

Author:	warrior [ Sun Jul 09, 2017 3:45 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Supporters Forum
Manchester United star Wayne Rooney confirms transfer back to Everton https://www.foxsports.com.au/football/manchester-city-star-wayne-rooney-confirms-transfer-back-to-everton/news-story/85cd20662a639630fa821b9faf494ab2

Author:	AmericanGooner [ Sun Jul 09, 2017 3:55 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Supporters Forum
True Blue Gunner Gooner wrote: Lemar also in! Latest news I've seen news saying we put in a 3rd bid and but the Sun says he will sign. Not sure what the exact news is but it seems we are serious and think we will get him. I like him a lot. A wee bit more than Mahrez as I've noted earlier. A bit more pace and power than Mahrez. But I'd love to have either.

Author:	bubblechris [ Sun Jul 09, 2017 4:18 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Supporters Forum
The question is has AW learnt his lesson and is now a new man. Will anything be any different on Friday 11th August? Will we all be thinking wow what a team or will we all be wondering when we're going to lose our first game and what will then follow? Interesting times ahead.......................

Author:	old man of hoy [ Sun Jul 09, 2017 4:45 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Supporters Forum
AmericanGooner wrote: ...I do sympathize with one of the possible reasons being the squad lacks fight... Really? Like City have been tigers over the last few seasons! Its nothing to do with fight, but all about money. Give him his reputed demand of 400k a week and see how he'll kiss that Arsenal badge.

Author:	Bernard1 [ Sun Jul 09, 2017 4:56 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Supporters Forum
Decaf wrote: The cricket is shaping up interestingly. 331 to win. 50/50? Paddy Power here, borrowing Bernard's computer. I've just made a note never to employ Decaf as one of my odds-setters.

Author:	bubblechris [ Sun Jul 09, 2017 4:57 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Supporters Forum
One things for sure we should be top of the league after we thrash Leicester on the opening day of the season.

Author:	Bernard1 [ Sun Jul 09, 2017 5:00 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Supporters Forum
bubblechris wrote: One things for sure we should be top of the league after we thrash Leicester on the opening day of the season. I'm unsure how sure it is we'll thrash Leicester. I'd be happy with a one goal win.

Author:	dec [ Sun Jul 09, 2017 5:03 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Supporters Forum
old man of hoy wrote: AmericanGooner wrote: ...I do sympathize with one of the possible reasons being the squad lacks fight... Really? Like City have been tigers over the last few seasons! Its nothing to do with fight, but all about money. Give him his reputed demand of 400k a week and see how he'll kiss that Arsenal badge. Indeed. His wage demands were too much for Bayern. If it was about anything apart from.money he would be with them now.

Author:	old man of hoy [ Sun Jul 09, 2017 7:51 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Supporters Forum
Bernard wrote: bubblechris wrote: One things for sure we should be top of the league after we thrash Leicester on the opening day of the season. I'm unsure how sure it is we'll thrash Leicester. I'd be happy with a one goal win. Me too. In the Premier League the idea that we should thrash anybody is fanciful.

Author:	kiwipete [ Sun Jul 09, 2017 10:17 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Supporters Forum
old man of hoy wrote: bubblechris wrote: If Lukaku is worth £75m then surely Sanchez is worth more than that. Should Wenger/Arsenal hold out for more? £50m now or nothing next summer? Too risky to delay. There is only one way to go - and I say Geronimo. Stick to the dominoes in the church hall , high stakes poker is never going to be your forte . I reckon there is a bit of wriggle room , they haven't quite got us over the barrel . Talks stall and we have Sanchez for another year not ideal ; but Citee with the biggest budget in the world are also going nowhere if they don't strengthen so their need to buy is on a par with our need to offload . They offer 50 ...we say 80 ...and settle for 58 .... think of it with that extra 8 million we can search for a replacement for Sanogo .

Author:	old man of hoy [ Sun Jul 09, 2017 10:26 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Supporters Forum
kiwipete wrote: They offer 50 ...we say 80 ...and settle for 58 .... think of it with that extra 8 million we can search for a replacement for Sanogo . Yes, for 8 mil we could even get the young French midfield maestro, Ouesta Monet.