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Post #517881  Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 10:34 pm 
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I am really pissed off with that.

Arteta still cannot find a formation that gets us going offensively.

Lacazette stunk the place out and was left on far too long.

Ceballos was nowhere to be seen, Xhaka was running in treacle as always, Partey was anonymous.

I was hoping for Pépé to come on but when he did he reminded me of just what a headless chicken he is.

Gabriel did ok defensively but his pasing became more and more wayward as the game progressed.

Playing Xhaka as a left back is just mindless when the opposition have pacy forwards who enable them to transition incredibly quickly.


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And Özil is not good enough to get in this team? A joke.

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And Özil is not good enough to get in this team? A joke.

He’s talented enough but to be fair, my guess is that Özil wouldn’t have changed a single thing, in a positive sense anyway. I could just see him drifting into the same humdrum mediocrity of everyone else today. He’s not a player you turn to when you want someone to grab a game by the scruff of the neck and alter it.


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Such a flat performance from us. We badly need a creative midfielder. Ceballos gives us nothing in this area.

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Unbelievable the amount of space that we left Vardy in our penalty area. Just tactically rubbish.


Mustafi at fault for not staying close to him

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Post #517886  Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 5:32 am 
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Such a flat performance from us. We badly need a creative midfielder. Ceballos gives us nothing in this area.


So far Arteta's experiments have not worked - Aubameyang on the right; Willian in the middle... Xhaka, Partey and Ceballos in midfield may need more time.

Lacazette is off form yet our top scorer. Three goals in three games, got dropped and now low on confidence? The consolation I suppose is that he gets into those positions to miss chances... with better luck he would have added two goals to his name against Leicester.


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Post #517887  Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 5:49 am 
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Football is so crazy these days. Plenty of fans already questioning Arteta despite him having the highest win rate of any Arsenal manager.

Must admit I'm not totally convinced. I think he sets us up better defensively against the best teams but against the lesser sides we look bang average.

I don’t really like the over thinking of players positions and switching up tactics quite so drastically between games. It could be hard for players to find their rhythm. Square pegs in square holes.

We’ve also lost the intensity and high press from our game. I would urge anyone to watch Leeds from the start of matches to see what an organised highly motivated high intensity team looks like.


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Such a flat performance from us. We badly need a creative midfielder. Ceballos gives us nothing in this area.


So far Arteta's experiments have not worked - Aubameyang on the right; Willian in the middle... Xhaka, Partey and Ceballos in midfield may need more time.

Lacazette is off form yet our top scorer. Three goals in three games, got dropped and now low on confidence? The consolation I suppose is that he gets into those positions to miss chances... with better luck he would have added two goals to his name against Leicester.

I find Lacazette such a strange one. The header he scored against West Ham was powerful and confident then you see his goal and his misses v Liverpool and his weak header today and you wonder what’s going on with him.
I don’t see our front 3 make enough runs like the one Under did for the goal today. We can complain about the service in to them but I think their movement is pretty poor. Also, and I’ve said this before I think they are mostly finishers of moves not creators or players involved in the build up like the likes of Son, Salah etc


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Unbelievable the amount of space that we left Vardy in our penalty area. Just tactically rubbish.


Mustafi at fault for not staying close to him

Gabriel was shouting at him to drop and cover the space


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Goonie wrote:
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Such a flat performance from us. We badly need a creative midfielder. Ceballos gives us nothing in this area.


So far Arteta's experiments have not worked - Aubameyang on the right; Willian in the middle... Xhaka, Partey and Ceballos in midfield may need more time.

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No they don’t.

Ceballos and Xhaka are just bog average footballers I’ve always thought this and there is no chemical concoction by changing the line up that will alleviate that. Both offer nothing except energy and to recycle possession. They are the main problem in this side right now. Neither would get anywhere near the 11 of the top 4 clubs


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Along with everyone else I’m delighted Aubameyang signed his new deal. I’m also sure he isn’t going to be another Özil, whose form after signing his lucrative contract fell off a cliff long-term, never to return. But what has happened to Aubameyang’s form since signing his new deal? I think Hazuki has mentioned something along those same lines recently, albeit not during or after yesterday’s game. Despite his Europa League goal last Thursday Aubameyang has barely kicked a ball since renewing his contract.

I hope Aubameyang gets back to his best soon as he’s supposed to be our most influential player. At the moment he looks anything but. The only positive I can make about his performance against Leicester is that he wasn’t as bad as Lacazette. However, that’s a pretty low assessment criterion.


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Along with everyone else I’m delighted Aubameyang signed his new deal. I’m also sure he isn’t going to be another Özil, whose form after signing his lucrative contract fell off a cliff long-term, never to return. But what has happened to Aubameyang’s form since signing his new deal? I think Hazuki has mentioned something along those same lines recently, albeit not during or after yesterday’s game. Despite his Europa League goal last Thursday Aubameyang has barely kicked a ball since renewing his contract.

I hope Aubameyang gets back to his best soon as he’s supposed to be our most influential player. At the moment he looks anything but. The only positive I can make about his performance against Leicester is that he wasn’t as bad as Lacazette. However, that’s a pretty low assessment criterion.


Hi Bernard,

To be fair he has been feeding off scraps more or less since he arrived at the club. Eventually he had to have a lean spell.


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The harsh reality is that we don't have a single player who would get in Liverpool's best 11 or even City's. Aubameyang might be there or there abouts but that's where we are.


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The harsh reality is that we don't have a single player who would get in Liverpool's best 11 or even City's. Aubameyang might be there or there abouts but that's where we are.

That is partly understandable given the quality of those two teams, both with 97-100 points twice in the last 3 years. The more pertinent question for me is how many of our players get in Man U, Chelsea or Spurs starting 11........or dare I say it Wolves' and Leicester's?


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Rich wrote:
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The harsh reality is that we don't have a single player who would get in Liverpool's best 11 or even City's. Aubameyang might be there or there abouts but that's where we are.

That is partly understandable given the quality of those two teams, both with 97-100 points twice in the last 3 years. The more pertinent question for me is how many of our players get in Man U, Chelsea or Spurs starting 11........or dare I say it Wolves' and Leicester's?


Hi Rich,

But can you really expect to finish top 4 if you haven't got a single player good enough for the top 2 teams?


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If you are a manager and you can't see that Lacazette needed to be withdrawn last night then I have to wonder what game Arteta was watching.


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I don't know if its just this game or we can do better than that attack wise. To be fair, Leicester was very compact. That said, we had chances. It was either the final ball wayward or the finishing.
The frustrating thing is we kept them at bay offensively and Vardy comes on and bang a goal. Complaining about Mustafi, who was caught ball watching, is not even worth anymore. Mustafi sucks and water is wet. Two absolutes. 36 friggin' million. Most expensive defender ever for us. Luiz is past it but at least he has some positives like organizing, great defensive passer and even a decent dead ball specialist.

Lacazette just couldn't finish. Saka showing his age. I'm going to chalk this up to a bad day at the office. The best thing is pretend the game didn't even happen and move on.

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Bernard wrote:
Along with everyone else I’m delighted Aubameyang signed his new deal. I’m also sure he isn’t going to be another Özil, whose form after signing his lucrative contract fell off a cliff long-term, never to return. But what has happened to Aubameyang’s form since signing his new deal? I think Hazuki has mentioned something along those same lines recently, albeit not during or after yesterday’s game. Despite his Europa League goal last Thursday Aubameyang has barely kicked a ball since renewing his contract.

I hope Aubameyang gets back to his best soon as he’s supposed to be our most influential player. At the moment he looks anything but. The only positive I can make about his performance against Leicester is that he wasn’t as bad as Lacazette. However, that’s a pretty low assessment criterion.

At the moment Aubameyang out wide left isn't working, he's not seeing enough of the ball. Opposition are likely adjusting to this now, City certainly did by using the pacey Walker on that right side of a 3 man defence. I think it is time to get him back in the middle. He'd be finishing the chances that are falling to Lacazette.
In games like yesterday we were also crying out for one of the 3 midfielders to take more risks going forward, or any midfielder to be making runs beyond the front man. If Arteta was praising Partey for holding the midfield together on his own v Vienna then he can afford to play Partey in a midfield 2 and bring in a more attacking central midfielder. However Arteta has really concentrated our attacking down the wings.

It is time to bring Aubameyang central, give Nelson/Pépé and Saka a proper run on the wings and get Willian in behind Aubameyang. Willian has the technique, strength and stamina to play that position like an advanced No.8 rather than an out and out 10


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Replicate the first half over 90 minutes and we'd be moving in the right direction. 11 attempts at goal in the first half, I think only 2 more in the second half. Had a good goal ruled out and missed a couple of easy/very easy chances that we surely wouldn't keep missing. Things just went completely flat in the second half, no energy whatsoever. Did the European trip take it out of some players?

From 07-12 ish years we were averaging 16-17 shots per game, we're now down to 8 shots per game.


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Unbelievable the amount of space that we left Vardy in our penalty area. Just tactically rubbish.


Mustafi at fault for not staying close to him
Yes, it was criminal defending. Vardy is such a brilliant mover he should never be given that much space.

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...I'm going to chalk this up to a bad day at the office. The best thing is pretend the game didn't even happen and move on.
You may be right AG. Perhaps we can beat Dundalk.

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I read a stat that as a wide forward this season Aubameyang has attempted 13 crosses, Salah has attempted 1. Salah plays wide right to cut inside on his favoured left foot and shoot, he's selfish but is causing chaos every week he plays. If Aubameyang isn't even able to shoot from his wide position it defeats the purpose.

I can't remember the last time we were actually fluid and good to watch going forward. Of course there are one off games but really we've lacked a proper spark of pace and incision for a long time. Who was the last player we had where you thought, 'ok, he's on the ball, something could happen here' It was probably Sanchez. We're missing a spark, we're missing a dribbler.

Too often I see us attack and we don't actually make the defence do any proper defending other than shuffling side to side in the system, something that would be done on defensive drills thousands of times in training. We rarely turn a defence around with balls in to the channels, forcing defenders to track vertically instead of side to side. We rarely run at defenders forcing them to make a tackle and possibly another defender coming over to cover in case he gets beaten. We simply don't move the opposition defence around enough


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Good to see Arsenal outdo Man Utd and Chelsea for a change. Easily the most boring match of the week. Truly awful and simply nothing apart from hoping for a miracle from our quarterback Luiz.

Pro tip for the team - If you don't shoot or move the ball towards the opposition goal posts, you won't score. :20hospitals:


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Dundalk has to be an opportunity to see some of the younger and fringe players.

Runnarsson to start in goal, he needs to get some games in the system in case he is called upon later in the season.
Remarkably with all our defenders it seems Gabriel and Mustafi are the only ones fit so they'll need to play.
AMN, Willock, Nketiah, Smith-Rowe, Nelson all need game time. Will Arteta throw them all in?


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Simply not good enough in the last 3rd.


Did we make it to the last 3rd. I just watched 90 minutes of defenders kicking it around in midfield.


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Only saw the first 20 & last 25 minutes. Leno played ok. Otherwise you could see why Leicester were beaten by Westham & Aston V. I don’t understand what style Arteta is trying to play. Will watch the other part of the game later because I want to see Partey & our midfield.

I think we would be more effective with 4-5-1 with Partey and Eleneny Saka Willian and one other in the midfield. Our current structure is lacking.


The part you missed doesn't feature either Partey or a midfield so I wouldn't bother. :)


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Good to see Arsenal outdo Man Utd and Chelsea for a change. Easily the most boring match of the week. Truly awful and simply nothing apart from hoping for a miracle from our quarterback Luiz.

Pro tip for the team - If you don't shoot or move the ball towards the opposition goal posts, you won't score. :20hospitals:

A bargain at £14.95. My first ever Box Office purchase.

Actually thankful that I wasn’t at the game with a long late depressed journey back from London. Done enough of those.

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Simply not good enough in the last 3rd.


Did we make it to the last 3rd. I just watched 90 minutes of defenders kicking it around in midfield.


It really did feel like that didn’t it.

Bellerin and Tierney earned their money yesterday and had to work very hard. Tierney had a face like thunder when he was pulled off, few minutes later they score down his flank. Our defenders must spend more time on the ball than any other players in the side, our most creative outlet in the first half was David Luiz as he flung pinpoint passes to each flank. They must be royally pissed off with the rest of the players.

I was surprised to hear Arteta moaning about us making misplaced passes when there was zero movement and runners from midfield at all in that game.


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I still think the biggest mistake was Ceballos being kept on the wings. I'm sure it wasn't his choice but could be wrong it certainly looked to me like he was under orders.

We have too many defensive midfielders and not enough creative ones though many could be tried in that position.


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Bellerin and Tierney earned their money yesterday and had to work very hard. Tierney had a face like thunder when he was pulled off, few minutes later they score down his flank.

I thought Tierney was subbed off immediately AFTER Vardy scored. Nketiah came on as the reaction to going a goal down.

Still feels like we need a CB, a creative mid, a creative wide man and a striker. Perhaps someone in the squad can push on and fill those roles


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Bizarrely Toerney didn't touch the ball in his own half during the second half yesterday. Xhaka was basically playing left-back and Tierney left-wing. Releasing the left full back had its merits last year but I can't help but feel putting square pegs in square holes is the way forward.

Play a 4-3-3, allow full backs to overlap and provide natural width but to be a full back primarily. Pick natural wide players who will also track back and double up with their full-back, Aubameyang up top and pick a midfield 3 with balance between defence and attack. From that point you can nuance and tweak the tactics. For example the midfield 3 can stay compact and width is just the full backs and wide forwards, or the midfield 3 can cover the full backs to allow the wide players to stay higher. But start with the basics and change from there. I don't think we're competent enough with the basics yet to have so many tactical tweaks from game to game.


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Man U haven't won their last 5 home games in the league. You just know what is happening this weekend....


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News today is Mustafi has rejected Arsenal's offer of a contract extension. I think he's a free agent at the end of the season and he obviously fancies a move.


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We did buy 2 CBs (months apart but still) and a defensive center mid. With Saliba not being deemed PL ready, we may need another veteran stop gap till he is. Why Mustafi and a couple others are still in an Arsenal kit is beyond me. They should have been sold and that money used for others to come in.

Still, its the first 'bad' result, meaning unexpected. The Foxes haven't won on our grounds since Pele was likely still playing. It's 6 games in. Let's not sound the alarm just yet. The road was always going to be rocky. This is Arteta's first managerial job so he's not only reforming the squad, he's taken on manager's responsibilities for the first time.

We're really going to have to accept a few more of these unexpected results. In the larger picture, we are in the right direction.

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News today is Mustafi has rejected Arsenal's offer of a contract extension. I think he's a free agent at the end of the season and he obviously fancies a move.

Wish Mustafi would accept Arsenal’s offer of a contract extension. The reaction of our friend from across the Atlantic would be truly hilarious.


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News today is Mustafi has rejected Arsenal's offer of a contract extension. I think he's a free agent at the end of the season and he obviously fancies a move.
As far away as possible from Vardy, one assumes?

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... In the larger picture, we are in the right direction.
Sorry to say we aren't. If we set the frame of our larger picture say a decade or five years back, then is anybody sure we are better placed than then? We have had three managers in a short time, and I am quite worried about Arteta. His public handling of the Özil situation shows his inexperience. The style of play is unexciting, and he is a lucky that due to Covid he doesn't have to hear 50-odd thousand moans on match days as did Arsene and Dick. True we are only six games into the Premiership season, but on what we have seen is anybody really confident we will finish in the European places? The cups may be our best bet.

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Until I watched MOTD2 last night I hadn’t realised we’ve slipped to 10th place. Moreover if Tottenham and Manchester United win their games in hand we drop to 12th.


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Spurs game against Burnley today. Somehow it would be no surprise if Son and Co play them off the pitch. We dropped to 10th when Leicester scored. A Spurs lucrative win today could see a drop down to even 13th.

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... In the larger picture, we are in the right direction.
Sorry to say we aren't. If we set the frame of our larger picture say a decade or five years back, then is anybody sure we are better placed than then? We have had three managers in a short time, and I am quite worried about Arteta. His public handling of the Özil situation shows his inexperience. The style of play is unexciting, and he is a lucky that due to Covid he doesn't have to hear 50-odd thousand moans on match days as did Arsene and Dick. True we are only six games into the Premiership season, but on what we have seen is anybody really confident we will finish in the European places? The cups may be our best bet.


Hey omoh, I hear ya. We had 3 managers in a relatively short time by Arsenal standards with Graham, Rioch and Wenger and things worked out fairly well.

I'll even throw you a bone and add Guendouzi along with bad handling. All that said, we are a better team than a season ago, even 6 months ago. We've beaten the elites of the league (City and LFC) in the last 3 or 4 months, made some much needed signings.

It may be a matter of perspective and I really do see your point. Özil will be resolved one way or another by next summer. And we really don't know the whole story.

As for Europe, I think we will get better. A few new faces, everyone has to get comfortable with the system where its second nature and he doesn't have to yell instructions continually from the manager's area. Time will tell if you're right. Let's revisit after the holidays in the new year and see where we are. Man Utd, Chelsea and Tottetnham aren't exactly setting the world ablaze. We may back into Europe...lol.

Lastly, if City is any thing to go by, we'll look better once all the pieces fall into place. Right now, we have to stop the leaking of goals and that's going to look boring. We may have to go back to a one nil to the Arsenal till then.

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